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  • MrWoodson said...

    So what? Urbie didn't have to hire GM. Neither did Harbaugh. Harbaugh also didn't have to promote him to DC after Rex Ryan left. The same is true for Hoke. The reality is Urbie won a NC with GM on his staff at UF. And the Ravens had one of the best defenses in the league the entire time he was there. And GM had very good defenses during both his stints as DC at UM. As for his pregnant daughter, that might help explain why he would want the job but not why he was offered the job. And every coach has down years. Look at Dantonio's and Narduzzi's record at Cincy. Not very good. And in the brief span they've been at MSU, they've already had a 7-5 season and a 6-7 season. Get back to me when UM has a 6 or 7 win season while GM is the DC and maybe I will be more open to your point of view.

    FWIW, I always thought Charlie Strong got most of the credit for UF's D's. He was the name that always came up regarding coaching searches.

    I think Mattison is a heck of a DL coach and a very good DC overall.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

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  • Brady Hoke said...

    This was Mattison's first year vs. Narduzzi's 5th? It's scary that GM could turn around a defense that fast to where it was pretty comparable to your established DC.

    Well, I don't find it particularly scary, but to each his own.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    So Toussaint is apparently preparing to play in the Bama game.

    Doesn't mean he is going to play. I'll be disappointed if he does play because I don't want to stoop to MSU's level. I think this is just one of those things to get Bama to prepare for and we'll know for sure later.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    One of the problems is separating the impact of the HC from the DC. How much of Bama's defense is Saban's and how much is Smart's? But I agree that you can't ignore the rings. I probably would put Smart at #2 too. If GM were to help bring another NC to UM, that might change things.

    So how great was Jim Herman. Please don't say you don't remember how he was gushed over. What's he doing now? Funny how OSU turned him from a hero to a scape goat.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Who said that that was the only reason I'd take Narduzzi over Mattison? I never gave a set reasons, because this isn't a debate; I'm not trying to convince you I'm right, and I told you that you won't change my mind. I even offered to change the subject. So I'll do it again . . .

    I think ND goes 7-5/8-4. Miami(Fl) is a trainwreck; that should be a W. USC and Oklahoma will wreck them. MSU/UM/Stanford are toss-ups.

    Question is, does Kelly get a 4th year by going 8-4/7-5 a 3rd straight year? Anyone baffled by his inability to find a QB, and by the same token, field a solid D? Skills were completely reversed at his previous stop.

    The discussion was GM v. PN and you basically dismissed GM because of his time at ND. Sorry, but PN has been the DC of some pretty unsuccessful teams at both Cincy and MSU. GM at least has a whole bunch of very successful seasons at other places to balance out the resume. PN has two, possibly three, and only at one stop. And that was basically my only criticism of PN, his limited resume. I didn't say he was a bad DC, but simply that he needs a longer track record of success to have his name put on the same list as someone like GM. I said the exact same thing about Manny Diaz. And, ironically, it's basically the most common knock I hear you guys make about Hoke.

    Edit: If Kelly goes 6-6 or 7-5, I really think he's gone. If he goes 8-4 or better, he gets one more year. Last year, he lost to USF and nearly lost to Pitt. He easily could drop a game this year to someone unexpected while breaking in a new QB. Beware Purdue ... it's a let down game coming off the Navy game in Dublin. Lots of travel, jet lag, short week practice wise. Would not surprise me at all to see the Boilers pull the upset.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 8/16/2012 at 9:14 PM

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Well, I don't find it particularly scary, but to each his own.

    Think about it this way. Your coach had 5 years to recruit and groom players and Mattison steps in and is comparable with Narduzzi in almost every category.

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  • Brady Hoke said...

    Think about it this way. Your coach had 5 years to recruit and groom players and Mattison steps in and is comparable with Narduzzi in almost every category.

    You're still racist with your 247 rating of 57. You're a beast!

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by wps88 on 8/16/2012 at 9:19 PM

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  • Quit it wps... lol

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    FWIW, I always thought Charlie Strong got most of the credit for UF's D's. He was the name that always came up regarding coaching searches.

    I think Mattison is a heck of a DL coach and a very good DC overall.

    hmmm, he helped shape the late 90s defense into national champions, he turned an underachieving Florida team into national champions in 2006. Do you see a trend here?

    This post was edited by Brady Hoke on 8/16/2012 at 9:20 PM

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  • Brady Hoke said...

    go away and leave your southern anti minority trash out of here

    What is wrong with you? lol

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  • Braintrust said...

    What is wrong with you? lol

    I was playing nice. I restrained myself from saying other things.

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  • Brady Hoke said...

    I was playing nice. I restrained myself from saying other things.

    lol relax.

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  • RabidWolverine said...

    Quit it wps... lol

    Yes sir... :(

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  • is WPS still here?

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    Braintrust

  • Braintrust said...

    is WPS still here?

    I posted two posts like a minute ago lol

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  • wps88 said...

    I posted two posts like a minute ago lol

    lol didn't see it till after i posted that.

    You ever seen a Pulaski Academy football game? Its getting alot of press from this SDSU coach. I knew a girl who went there last year and she said its almost unstoppable

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  • Braintrust said...

    What is wrong with you? lol

    roflmao

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  • Brady Hoke said...

    hmmm, he helped shape the late 90s defense into national champions, he turned an underachieving Florida team into national champions in 2006. Do you see a trend here?

    He's 1-7 vs. MSU. Yes I do.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    FWIW, I always thought Charlie Strong got most of the credit for UF's D's. He was the name that always came up regarding coaching searches.

    I think Mattison is a heck of a DL coach and a very good DC overall.

    Charlie Strong is definitely a great DC, and he deserves his share of credit. But Florida's rankings for total defense under Strong before Mattison came were 25, 51, and 42. When Mattison arrived, it rose to 18, and then 6 the year they won the first NC. Of course, it persisted after Mattison left, but I wouldn't discount Mattison's contribution to Florida's defensive resurgence under Meyer; there was a reason why Meyer made him one of his first hires. And Mattison was never going to get any strong HC looks because of his age at that point.

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  • Braintrust said...

    lol didn't see it till after i posted that.

    You ever seen a Pulaski Academy football game? Its getting alot of press from this SDSU coach. I knew a girl who went there last year and she said its almost unstoppable

    You really don't want my opinion of Pulaski Academy. I come from a 4A public school in northeast Arkansas. PA is a little snotty, stuck up, private school in Little Rock. They never punt the ball. Never. Never ever. Ever.

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  • Braintrust said...

    lol didn't see it till after i posted that.

    You ever seen a Pulaski Academy football game? Its getting alot of press from this SDSU coach. I knew a girl who went there last year and she said its almost unstoppable

    Yes. I'm a little biased. They beat us in the playoffs on a last second 2-point conversion. F*** them.

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  • D.Wags said...

    So how great was Jim Herman. Please don't say you don't remember how he was gushed over. What's he doing now? Funny how OSU turned him from a hero to a scape goat.

    I never thought he was that good. Way too predictable and passive. Too much prevent and "bend but don't break". Mattison is a blitzer. It almost cost us at the end of the OSU game, but once the system is fully installed and we have all the right personnel and depth, I think if will be very fun to watch. I expect it to be similar to LSU's.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 8/16/2012 at 9:35 PM

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  • wps88 said...

    You really don't want my opinion of Pulaski Academy. I come from a 4A public school in northeast Arkansas. PA is a little snotty, stuck up, private school in Little Rock. They never punt the ball. Never. Never ever. Ever.

    lol oh i know about them. They seem like they would be so much fun to watch if you dont have a rooting interest. I'm surprised someone is bringing that to college football though.

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  • MercuryHayes said...

    CmOf course, it persisted after Mattison left,

    Again, do the players make the coach? There are some good coaches who have great years, I think both these guys are good.

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  • Braintrust said...

    lol oh i know about them. They seem like they would be so much fun to watch if you dont have a rooting interest. I'm surprised someone is bringing that to college football though.

    Man I hate them.

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