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  • I don't know if the first look at the offense was discussed before, but that is where I saw the numbers for Gallon at 80 catches, 1300 yards, projected out over a whole season once Gardner started at QB.

    http://mgoblog.com/content/first-look-2013-offense

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    http://mgoblog.com/content/first-look-2013-defense

    Mgoblog did a first look at the 2013 defense. Losing Kovacs, Roh, Demens, Campbell, and Floyd, but there is plenty of talent coming back.

    "Michigan loses five starters, yeah, but that's almost literally all they lose. Mike Jones may or may not return for another season of staring from the bench, other than that the only player they lose is Brandin Hawthorne, who was exclusively special teams as a senior. They return 16 heavy contributors to the D, 17 if you count Jarrod Wilson."

    UM's D should be very good, esp. if Countess comes back at 100%

    Losing Roh will hurt, same with Kovacs from a leader standpoint- but probably more talented overall

    copemoney0

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    http://mgoblog.com/content/first-look-2013-defense

    Mgoblog did a first look at the 2013 defense. Losing Kovacs, Roh, Demens, Campbell, and Floyd, but there is plenty of talent coming back.

    "Michigan loses five starters, yeah, but that's almost literally all they lose. Mike Jones may or may not return for another season of staring from the bench, other than that the only player they lose is Brandin Hawthorne, who was exclusively special teams as a senior. They return 16 heavy contributors to the D, 17 if you count Jarrod Wilson."

    And not to be harsh, but generally speaking we are replacing who we lose with as good or better talent. Kovacs and Roh probably leave the biggest shoes to fill on defense and Denard and Lewan on offense. Considering Denard was injured most of the season, we already suffered the loss of him to some extent this year. And Gardner got some invaluable experience as a starter that should make the transition to a new QB smoother than normal.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    IU is better than they were last year. Oladipo is much more productive and they have that new FR guard (can't think of his name) who is really good. Last year, they beat UK once and put up 90 points on them when they lost to them in the NCAA. They can beat anyone in the country if they play up to their ability.

    Oladipo seems to be under-rated on that team. You could see his talent last year, and it is all coming together this year. I think Yogi Ferrell is the FR guard.

    Their 6th man, Sheehey, can score in bunches also.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Oladipo seems to be under-rated on that team. You could see his talent last year, and it is all coming together this year. I think Yogi Ferrell is the FR guard.

    Their 6th man, Sheehey, can score in bunches also.

    Yogi Ferrell, that's it. I think IU is going to run us off the court in Bloomington. It will be such a high profile game they will be up for it and the environment with Game Day will be crazy.

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    And not to be harsh, but generally speaking we are replacing who we lose with as good or better talent. Kovacs and Roh probably leave the biggest shoes to fill on defense and Denard and Lewan on offense. Considering Denard was injured most of the season, we already suffered the loss of him to some extent this year. And Gardner got some invaluable experience as a starter that should make the transition to a new QB smoother than normal.

    It does sound bad when someone says the guys replacing those leaving will have as good or better talent, but it looks to be true.
    At SDE, I think Black may move back, but he will be battling with RS Soph Heitzman, RS FR Wormley, and RS FR Strobel.
    I see Gordon shifting over to SS and Wilson sliding into the FS spot. It will be interesting to see the development of highly touted early enrollee Thomas at the safety position.

    xxmgobluexx

  • MrWoodson said...

    Yogi Ferrell, that's it. I think IU is going to run us off the court in Bloomington. It will be such a high profile game they will be up for it and the environment with Game Day will be crazy.

    I was talking to some Indiana fans down in Florida, they stated that they had that game circled. Burke and Stauskus scares them.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Taylor Lewan will announce his decision to go pro or return to Michigan, tonight at 6PM.

    I believe he goes pro.

    A couple football players live next door to my son. I just asked them what Lewan was going to do and the one said they're "all in the dark."

    We'll see. I think he's gone but hope he surprises us.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    And not to be harsh, but generally speaking we are replacing who we lose with as good or better talent. Kovacs and Roh probably leave the biggest shoes to fill on defense and Denard and Lewan on offense. Considering Denard was injured most of the season, we already suffered the loss of him to some extent this year. And Gardner got some invaluable experience as a starter that should make the transition to a new QB smoother than normal.

    Defensively, I largely expect that to be true for UM, as well as on the OL. It should pop up at random positions on the entire team as well.

    It's really the case with MSU at several positions as well.

    Taiwan Jones was stealing minutes from Chris Norman already.

    Johnny Adams was good, but he lacked good size. Trae Waynes and Jermaine Edmondson both likely possess more raw talent. It remains to be seen if they will utilize their talent as well or better than J5 utilized his.

    Then you look at the OL, and it is very likely the case there. Jack Allen was named to the Freshmen All-American team, and showed steady improvement over the course of the season. Burkland and Fonoti both possess more raw talent at the Tackle position than Dan France (although they may or may not replace him). And its probably likely that a player like Benny McGowan possesses as much or more raw talent than the current guards.

    Two spots we will definitely be losing raw talent is at DE with the loss of Gholston and TE after losing Sims. Both of those players, though they didn't always show it, were gifted as hell. Physical freaks that are near impossible to match, talent-wise. However, their backups are likely more refined. TE could be a question mark, with highly talented (but converted from WR) Caesar potentially moving up the ranks there. At DE, there are a couple physically gifted players who most are quite excited about, with Shilique Calhoun and Joel Heath (who has drawn comparisons to Gholston).

    Obviously, with all of these players, pure talent doesn't mean that they will flip the switch on the field. That is a question that really can't be answered until the player goes on the field and either performs, or doesn't (see Maxwell, Andrew).

    Edit: You could potentially include RB as one of the positions where the talent level of the replacement may be lower. Bell is hella talented, but I think there are some highly talented young players too, particularly Nick Tompkins and Gerald Holmes.

    This post was edited by Jandy on 1/9/2013 at 2:52 PM

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Ducksworth, and the other guys who are in the discussion about how 247 does their rankings. I think the college potential should trump pro potential in the rankings. Over the summer, I re-evaluated MSU's 2007 recruiting class using the "star" system, but basing it on college production; i.e., who had a 4-star "career". Not many of those guys were high draft picks (I think Cousins in the 4th round was the highest), but Greg Jones got a 5-star rating (3 time 1st team all-Conf. 2 time All American), and Cousins, Rucker, Cunningham and Foreman got 4-stars.

    I guess I just care a lot more about how well a kid performs on the college field than the pros. If a guy is a great pro and drafted highly, then that's great, but to me the star rankings should be all about college potential and production.

    Yeah. I couldn't give two shits what a player does in the NFL. I want to know what he is going to do for my team now.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Louisville is really good, esp. on the defensive side

    Yea, Duke's been less than stellar a couple times- but has some insane Ws, so maybe they just play down to their opponents?

    Haven't seen too much of UF yet, but IU will be a tough out for sure

    Their only real impressive win is Louisville. Kentucky is out of the rankings. If we beat Ohio and Minnesota next week, we'll have the same amount of impressive wins as Duke.

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  • msucantmakebcs said...

    Their only real impressive win is Louisville. Kentucky is out of the rankings. If we beat Ohio and Minnesota next week, we'll have the same amount of impressive wins as Duke.

    Well they've also beaten Ohio State and Minnesota.. soooo

    copemoney0

  • Due51 said...

    A couple football players live next door to my son. I just asked them what Lewan was going to do and the one said they're "all in the dark."

    We'll see. I think he's gone but hope he surprises us.

    I think setting up a time and creating a lot of build up to return is something he would do. He likes to joke around and he seems like the guy who would like nothing better to create a stir by coming back. Remember he has not accomplished the goals of the team and OLs don't get injured as much as other positions.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Well they've also beaten Ohio State and Minnesota.. soooo

    Ohio, Minnesota, NC State, and Kansas State would be around the same caliber of their wins especially beating Ohio and Minny on the road.

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  • msucantmakebcs said...

    Ohio, Minnesota, NC State, and Kansas State would be around the same caliber of their wins especially beating Ohio and Minny on the road.

    I don't get what you are saying.

    Duke has beaten:
    Louisville- neutral
    OSU
    Minnesota- neutral
    Kentucky- neutral
    Temple- neutral
    VCU

    If UM beats OSU and Minnesota, Duke still has better wins with Louisville... (UK/Temple/VCU = NC State/KSU/Pitt)

    copemoney0

  • msucantmakebcs said...

    Ohio, Minnesota, NC State, and Kansas State would be around the same caliber of their wins especially beating Ohio and Minny on the road.

    Pitt just annihilated GTown. They have looked inconsistent, but certainly not too shabby of a W for us.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    I don't get what you are saying.

    Duke has beaten: Louisville- neutral OSU Minnesota- neutral Kentucky- neutral Temple- neutral VCU

    If UM beats OSU and Minnesota, Duke still has better wins with Louisville... (UK/Temple/VCU = NC State/KSU/Pitt)

    None of those last three are ranked while NC state is the top 25 and K State is in the top 20.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    I don't get what you are saying.

    Duke has beaten:
    Louisville- neutral
    OSU
    Minnesota- neutral
    Kentucky- neutral
    Temple- neutral
    VCU

    If UM beats OSU and Minnesota, Duke still has better wins with Louisville... (UK/Temple/VCU = NC State/KSU/Pitt)

    Louisville is really the only game on that list that stands out. And FWIW they had trouble beating Louisville. It was very close most of the way. Likewise, with OSU. OSU led most of the game at Cameron. In comparison, both Kansas and Illinois handled OSU very easily. And we will play Minnesota at the Barn in a week. If we beat OSU at OSU and Minnesota at Minnesota, our resume will be as good as Duke's.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 1/9/2013 at 3:01 PM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    If we beat OSU at OSU and Minnesota at Minnesota, our resume will be as good as Duke's.

    It will be close, but hard to not give Duke the edge with a neutral court W over Louisville- don't care how close it was.. that's impressive

    copemoney0

  • Is Lewan holding a press conference? I've never seen a press conference where a player decides to stay.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    It will be close, but hard to not give Duke the edge with a neutral court W over Louisville- don't care how close it was.. that's impressive

    Why? Duke beat OSU at home (barely) and Minnesota on a neutral court. If we beat them both on their home floors, how is that not more impressive? The reality is, we don't really know how good Louisville is. For all we know, they will wilt in BE play. At least with OSU and Minny we know both UM and Duke played the same teams.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 1/9/2013 at 3:12 PM

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  • Braintrust said...

    Is Lewan holding a press conference? I've never seen a press conference where a player decides to stay.

    He apparently likes the spot light

    copemoney0

  • MrWoodson said...

    Louisville is really the only game on that list that stands out. And FWIW they had trouble beating Louisville. It was very close most of the way. Likewise, with OSU. OSU led most of the game at Cameron. In comparison, both Kansas and Illinois handles OSU easily. And we will play Minnesota at the Barn in a week. If we beat OSU at OSU and Minnesota at Minnesota our resume will be as good as Duke's.

    It's not worth arguing until it happens, because I think this argument includes a lot of assumptions on both sides. UM fans are able to envision the situation if they win @OSU and @MINN, whereas I think most MSU fans view it much less likely that you win both, and therefore I think our thoughts may reflect that.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Why? Duke beat OSU at home (barely) and Minnesota on a neutral court. If we beat them both on their home floors, how is that not more impressive? The reality is, we don't really know how good Louisville is. For all we know, they qill wilt in BE play. At least with OSU and Bama we know both UM and Duke played the same teams.

    Just looking at overall resume.. sure if UM wins @OSU and @Minny, those 2 wins would be more impressive than home v OSU and vs. Minny

    So if/when Louisville starts to lose, we can adjust Duke's good wins accordingly.. but at this time on Jan 9- that is a top 5 win on a neutral floor and that trumps anything on UM's schedule to date (including if UM sweeps OSU/Minny next week)

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  • Jandy said...

    It's not worth arguing until it happens, because I think this argument includes a lot of assumptions on both sides. UM fans are able to envision the situation if they win @OSU and @MINN, whereas I think most MSU fans view it much less likely that you win both, and therefore I think our thoughts may reflect that.

    Of course. If we lose the games, the argument is moot.

    MrWoodson