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The Official Michigan, MSU, and 1 Random Guy from Arky Thread

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I'd like to apologize to all the Blue Boarders who have seen our crazy back and forth arguments over the past few weeks. I thought it'd be a good idea to keep our sibling rivalry to one thread, so the rest of you can debate things like the hottest porn star, or what you're making for dinner, or what the best hypothetical recruiting class could. Or even how many times Barney was dropped on his head as a child.

    Alright fans, here's what's gone down.

    1) Hoke's off to a great start in recruiting for 2012

    2) MSU has the better team this year and the game's at MSU

    3) Hoke hasn't coached a single game yet for you guys

    4) Switch in schemes are always interesting

    5) I love pancakes.

    6) 2012 recruits will not be on the field in 2011

    7) I think MSU extends our winning streak over you guys to at least 5 games.

    Let the flaming/bitching/fighting/discussion (hopefully!) begin!

    #5 - You don't love pancakes. You may like them a lot, but it's not love. Sorry you're wrong.

    Peterklima

  • Harry Callahan said...

    Seems really happy about the MSU loss.

    See you on Tuesday.

    Enjoy the rest of the weekend, HC.

    xxmgobluexx

  • Harry Callahan said...

    Yup, unacceptable. Good teams don't lose on the road to teams like Iowa. If I'm Michigan fan, I'm worried.

    Pure. Comedy. Gold.

    MrWoodson ●

  • MrWoodson said...

    I agree. With the class you have coming in next year, you might actually catch up to NW.

    Thank god mrsgoodsen is back. What would have everyone done without the blue tinted glasses. Now that you are back can we have another history lesson on how great the bestest team in basketball that never played was? please please? liar

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  • MrWoodson said...

    cry

    The only responses to which team is better has been a rolling laughing guy and now a crying guy.

    I think that speaks for itself.

    We may have lost on the road to NU, but we're getting these road games out now to get to our home games.

    Michigan has MSU, @Ark, @Pur, @OSU, Ind, @MSU, @Neb, ILL, OSU

    That is brutal. By far the most difficult stretch of any team in the Big Ten. I think you can win most of those home games, even the MSU and OSU games but it's going to be one hell of a ride. Talk now because you won't be in a few weeks.

    Harry Callahan

  • Harry Callahan said...

    NU is a decent team.

    Iowa is pathetic.

    If you guys want to argue which team is better, have at it but NU will have a decent season and be a bubble team. I can't say the same for Iowa, can you?

    No need to argue which one is better. A loss to either counts exactly the same.

    MrWoodson ●

  • InTenSity said...

    Thank god mrsgoodsen is back. What would have everyone done without the blue tinted glasses. Now that you are back can we have another history lesson on how great the bestest team in basketball that never played was? please please? liar

    I think you've learned enough for one day, don't you?

    MrWoodson ●

  • MrWoodson said...

    No need to argue which one is better. A loss to either counts exactly the same.

    No it doesn't. Losing to Iowa home or away really hurts your chances of winning the Big Ten. You can't afford those losses. Also, it's going to be a bottom of the barrel RPI team. That's going to hurt coming selection time for any team on the bubble.

    Not a lot of UM basketball fans I suppose.

    Harry Callahan

  • Harry Callahan said...

    The only responses to which team is better has been a rolling laughing guy and now a crying guy.

    I think that speaks for itself.

    We may have lost on the road to NU, but we're getting these road games out now to get to our home games.

    Michigan has MSU, @Ark, @Pur, @OSU, Ind, @MSU, @Neb, ILL, OSU

    That is brutal. By far the most difficult stretch of any team in the Big Ten. I think you can win most of those home games, even the MSU and OSU games but it's going to be one hell of a ride. Talk now because you won't be in a few weeks.

    For once we agree. Michigan has a much tougher schedule than Sparty.

    MrWoodson ●

  • MrWoodson said...

    For once we agree. Michigan has a much tougher schedule than Sparty.

    Well, I know you're trying to make like a BCS argument with strength of schedule, but it's not quite like that. Our tough games are more spread out. I think you missed the point.

    Harry Callahan

  • Harry Callahan said...

    No it doesn't. Losing to Iowa home or away really hurts your chances of winning the Big Ten. You can't afford those losses. Also, it's going to be a bottom of the barrel RPI team. That's going to hurt coming selection time for any team on the bubble.

    Not a lot of UM basketball fans I suppose.

    Not sure what you are trying to say (especially the last sentence, and I use that term loosely), but a loss to Northwestern and a loss to Iowa count the same. They each count as one loss. Maybe you should have taken the advanced math at MSU.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 1/14/2012 at 4:30 PM

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  • Harry Callahan said...

    Well, I know you're trying to make like a BCS argument with strength of schedule, but it's not quite like that. Our tough games are more spread out. I think you missed the point.

    I wasn't trying to do anything other than agree with you. Michigan has the tougher schedule.

    MrWoodson ●

  • Harry Callahan said...

    No it doesn't. Losing to Iowa home or away really hurts your chances of winning the Big Ten. You can't afford those losses. Also, it's going to be a bottom of the barrel RPI team. That's going to hurt coming selection time for any team on the bubble.

    Not a lot of UM basketball fans I suppose.

    These losses to Iowa and NW hurt the same for either teams chances of winning the Big Ten.

    xxmgobluexx

  • MrWoodson said...

    Not sure what you are trying to say (especially the last sentence, and I use that term loosely), but a loss to Northwestern and a loss to Iowa count the same. They each count as one loss. Maybe you should have taken the advanced math at MSU.

    From literally a math perspective, yes. You drunk homie?

    Again, I don't know what you are talking about with the strength of schedule stuff. They play all the same teams but in different order. I pointed out all of the difficult games in a row. If you want to take that side of the argument that it's more difficult with the order, then you can have it. Congrats. You win the internets! The rest of January is going to be an interesting month in the Big Ten, specifically MSU/UM.

    Harry Callahan

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    These losses to Iowa and NW hurt the same for either teams chances of winning the Big Ten.

    You ever hear of a +/- schedule? It weights teams based on wins and losses at home or away to different teams. It's more of a basketball thing.

    Example: winning on the road at OSU is huge. Losing at home to Iowa is awful.

    I'm saying NU will be a bubble team and Iowa will be a bottom RPI team. They affect your RPI differently. It's the weighting that I'm talking about and not so much the literal 1 loss = 1 loss.

    Worthless argument. You Michigan fans are so draining. It's like talking to your little cousin that annoying mimics your movements and speech. I'll just assume you guys are drunk on your Sat afternoon.

    Harry Callahan

  • Harry Callahan said...

    You ever hear of a +/- schedule? It weights teams based on wins and losses at home or away to different teams. It's more of a basketball thing.

    Example: winning on the road at OSU is huge. Losing at home to Iowa is awful.

    I'm saying NU will be a bubble team and Iowa will be a bottom RPI team. They affect your RPI differently. It's the weighting that I'm talking about and not so much the literal 1 loss = 1 loss.

    Worthless argument. You Michigan fans are so draining. It's like talking to your little cousin that annoying mimics your movements and speech. I'll just assume you guys are drunk on your Sat afternoon.

    Umm, hey Mr Basketball knowledge. Can you start over and explain again how losing to Iowa is worse than losing to NW when it comes to who wins the B1G. I didn't realize the RPI impacted who wins the B1G also, can you go into detail on that also? I am only asking since you responded to a statement that "A loss to either counts exactly the same", with "No it doesn't. Losing to Iowa home or away really hurts your chances of winning the Big Ten. You can't afford those losses." Please enlighten us basketball sage.

    xxmgobluexx

  • Due51 said...

    I didn't bring up that incident. Somehow you took what I said, brought up a completely different in incident from 20 years ago and accuse me of condoning it.

    Gholson (there's no T in his name, according to hIm) was NOT, in fact, disciplined for ripping Denard's head gear, FYI.

    Well whatever happened I have a feeling mr Gholston might be a little fired up to play you guys. Just a bit.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Umm, hey Mr Basketball knowledge. Can you start over and explain again how losing to Iowa is worse than losing to NW when it comes to who wins the B1G. I didn't realize the RPI impacted who wins the B1G also, can you go into detail on that also? I am only asking since you responded to a statement that "A loss to either counts exactly the same", with "No it doesn't. Losing to Iowa home or away really hurts your chances of winning the Big Ten. You can't afford those losses." Please enlighten us basketball sage.

    In the standings, it has the same affect.

    Maybe more accurately than saying this loss hurts your chances more, it instead should be said that; these games (in a vacuum) are a good indicator of how UM's chances are lower, as they got seemingly handled by a team that is much worse than the team that MSU hung with until the end.

    If UM were to set their sights on the tournament eventually, there are a couple factors regarding the MSU/NU game that they should note.
    First, losing to the team ranked 118 in the RPI hurts considerably more than losing to the team ranked 27th, which is what Iowa and Northwestern's rankings are, respectively.
    Second, as UM was ranked 20th in the RPI prior to this week of games, there is a decent chance that Northwestern passes UM (or pulls closer at the least) in the next RPI rankings. I understand UM just beat NU, but which of the following would you rather have on your record:

    Beat RPI #27 in 3OT at home and Lost to RPI #118 by a significant margin on the road.
    OR
    Lost to RPI #20 in 3OT on the road and Beat RPI #4 at home.

    I would take the second option every time, I'm assuming you would too. While RPI is certainly not everything, it becomes more important the closer you get to the bubble-zone, and there's potential for both of these teams to be there come tournament time.

    Of course, UM could definitely remedy that pretty well by beating MSU on Tuesday.

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  • jandern3 said...

    In the standings, it has the same affect.

    Maybe more accurately than saying this loss hurts your chances more, it instead should be said that; these games (in a vacuum) are a good indicator of how UM's chances are lower, as they got seemingly handled by a team that is much worse than the team that MSU hung with until the end.

    If UM were to set their sights on the tournament eventually, there are a couple factors regarding the MSU/NU game that they should note. First, losing to the team ranked 118 in the RPI hurts considerably more than losing to the team ranked 27th, which is what Iowa and Northwestern's rankings are, respectively. Second, as UM was ranked 20th in the RPI prior to this week of games, there is a decent chance that Northwestern passes UM (or pulls closer at the least) in the next RPI rankings. I understand UM just beat NU, but which of the following would you rather have on your record:

    Beat RPI #27 in 3OT at home and Lost to RPI #118 by a significant margin on the road. OR Lost to RPI #20 in 3OT on the road and Beat RPI #4 at home.

    I would take the second option every time, I'm assuming you would too. While RPI is certainly not everything, it becomes more important the closer you get to the bubble-zone, and there's potential for both of these teams to be there come tournament time.

    Of course, UM could definitely remedy that pretty well by beating MSU on Tuesday.

    This is good stuff. I'll add on to it so they can see what I'm saying.

    To say that losing at Iowa is the same as losing at NU is to believe that both teams are equal. However, I think NU is a better team than Iowa. Why? I think NU will win those close games at home while many other teams with beat Iowa, at Iowa. Losing at Iowa sets you back.

    If MSU loses at Iowa and UM loses at NU, then this is all irrelevant. Also, if MSU wins at Iowa and UM wins at NU then it has the same net effect again. I think UM will lose at NU and MSU will win at Iowa. It hurts in the Big Ten standings if that happens (obviously). It's why I said it's a worse loss for both RPI and winning the Big Ten.

    UM could redeem themselves by getting a win at OSU or at MSU. At Ind has already been played so there goes a top end victory to flip the loss. I don't think this is a hard concept to grasp and I've done all I can to explain it. Enjoy the night fellas. Ima get some sushi, later bros.

    Harry Callahan

  • Harry Callahan said...

    This is good stuff. I'll add on to it so they can see what I'm saying.

    To say that losing at Iowa is the same as losing at NU is to believe that both teams are equal. However, I think NU is a better team than Iowa. Why? I think NU will win those close games at home while many other teams with beat Iowa, at Iowa. Losing at Iowa sets you back.

    If MSU loses at Iowa and UM loses at NU, then this is all irrelevant. Also, if MSU wins at Iowa and UM wins at NU then it has the same net effect again. I think UM will lose at NU and MSU will win at Iowa. It hurts in the Big Ten standings if that happens (obviously). It's why I said it's a worse loss for both RPI and winning the Big Ten.

    UM could redeem themselves by getting a win at OSU or at MSU. At Ind has already been played so there goes a top end victory to flip the loss. I don't think this is a hard concept to grasp and I've done all I can to explain it. Enjoy the night fellas. Ima get some sushi, later bros.

    If you don't think u of m wi be pumped for this game your crazy. This is their final four. It's their red letter game. They want to be MSU but can't. It's all they have. They celebrate 8-8 and one win in the tourney like it's a title for them. They'll bring their A game Tuesday. It's their superbowl.

    This post was edited by DWags on 1/14/2012 at 10:10 PM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    blah

    ATTN: MrWindy

    (You apparently missed this post earlier...or are you still thinking about a response?)

    "And Steve Fisher doesn't need exonerating. He hasn't done anything wrong."

    Do "minor" violations count? Does lying to your AD count?

    "Fisher was not implicated. Period."

    Do "minor" violations count? Those count, right? You know that Martin was present during a home visit by STEVE FISHER, and "contacted" the student-athlete during that home visit, right? You know that's a violation, right? You know that was in the NCAA report, right?

    Love the ignorance/arrogance.

    You're an embarrassment to Michigan fans.

    NigelUno

  • Due51 said...

    Nothing like throwing around wild a accusations and referring to me as a supremacist. Why don't you go fy. Dickhead.

    Btw, the name Tom is derived from Gholson's officiIal visit when people on campus were calling him that. There is nothing in reference to Uncle Tom or any other idiotic fabricated bullshit that spews from your ignorant Pie hole.

    Sure thing, Heil Lewan!

    "Losing Benenoch is a mortal blow from which this program can't recover"-T-Pain

    Rogue Leader

  • Hey looks like the arguing has died down. So let's talk about something we all like: Ernie Harwell. Greatest Michigander of all time?
    Somewhat related: Who is the jackass that fired him? What kind of despicable scumbag would do such a thing?

    Aaaand go.

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    Hey looks like the arguing has died down. So let's talk about something we all like: Ernie Harwell. Greatest Michigander of all time?
    Somewhat related: Who is the jackass that fired him? What kind of despicable scumbag would do such a thing?

    Aaaand go.

    The truth is, Monaghan didn't want to renew his contract and Bo was the one who had to deliver the message. You won't believe that, but I worked for the Tigers then and it's 100% fact.

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    Due51

  • Due51 said...

    The truth is, Monaghan didn't want to renew his contract and Bo was the one who had to deliver the message. You won't believe that, but I worked for the Tigers then and it's 100% fact.

    Since that story does not fit my agenda I choose not to believe it.

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