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The Official Michigan, MSU, and 1 Random Guy from Arky Thread

  • Ah, I stand corrected. Thatblueguy posted while I was typing. Thanks a lot for your worthwhile contribution. It really brightened my day, and I'm sure it did the same for everyone here.

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    Ducksworth

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I'd assume your 2013 class would be closer to 20 then? 26 is still a lot, and you guys haven't had a ton of guys leave right away like you did under RichRod. You guys have been recruiting very well, so I'm not knocking on the quality of guys being brought in, but I do question, in a class where you're taking 26, why there isn't a bit more balance. Not taking a QB seems very odd, even with Morris committed for 2013.

    Assuming they land 2 WR's, the class will be balanced just fine. No QB isn't ideal, but no reason to take a mediocre kid just to take him.

    Big M

  • Big M said...

    Assuming they land 2 WR's, the class will be balanced just fine. No QB isn't ideal, but no reason to take a mediocre kid just to take him.

    Honest question and no flame intended, why take Bellomy away from Purdue last year then? Just to have an emergency back-up? There's no way you could have known you were getting Morris back in Jan, right?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • QBs in 2011 - Robinson, Gardner, Bellomy
    QBs in 2012 - Robinson, Gardner, Bellomy
    QBs in 2013 - Gardner, Bellomy, Morris
    QBs in 2014 - Gardner, Bellomy, Morris, and presumably a kid who is currently a sophomore in HS.

    I don't see anything alarming.

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    MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13

    Due51 ●

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Honest question and no flame intended, why take Bellomy away from Purdue last year then? Just to have an emergency back-up? There's no way you could have known you were getting Morris back in Jan, right?

    Bellomy had something to do with it. He probably looked at our depth chart (and the fact that we're NOT Purdue, thank God) and made a better choice for himself.

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    MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13

    Due51 ●

  • Without Bellomy we would only have 2 scholarship QBs on the roster. Thats a bad idea especially with as much as Denard was banged up last year.

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    WillyWolverine ●

  • Ducksworth said...

    I completely understand people wanting to take a QB every year, but I personally do not want one this year, unless it's Fuller, who can play any position under the sun. It sounds like that's gonna happen, and we can focus on WR, DT, and maybe RB/OL.

    I'm assuming you mean a balanced class between skill players and linemen, because our class is very balanced defensively to offensively. And in that case, I do agree with you. However, I'm not worried about our outlook at RB or QB. You can argue that Gardner and Robinson may not be the pro-style type we need, as I've seen a lot over on tRCMB, but that's just something the coaches will deal with in their play calling. I'm very confident in Bellomy, who I feel will surprise people, and hopefully Morris lives up to the hype to be a 2-3 year starter.

    The only skill position that we really need to fix depth at is WR, and we're adressing that with 2 this class and probably (hopefully) a couple more next year.

    So personally, I think our class is very well rounded in terms of our needs.

    BTW, this has been an eerily calm and informative discussion for this thread.. So.. uhh MSU sucks?

    Yea, I meant Skill positions to everything else. I mean, if you have 22 schollies to give, you can recruit an entire starting unit, right?

    1 QB
    2 WR
    1 TE
    1 RB
    5 OL
    2 DEs
    2 DTs
    3 LBs
    2 CBs
    2 S

    You can even take a K and a P lol

    Really, with your OL/DL depth, I completely understand your focus on those areas. To me at least, the skill positions look questionable going forward, with the caveat that if one of your young RBs breaks out, you'll be fine there. Right now, your RB depth chart reminds me of ours in 2009; underperforming/injured upper classmen with a pair of true frosh RBs that people are excited for (of course, one of them isn't coming off a knee injury like Baker was, thankfully).

    I think by the law of averages SOMEONE has to emerge from that backfield, right?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • Due51 said...

    It's not Sparty-stacked, but it's not a bare cupboard.

    MSU only has 5 RBs on scholarship. And is only taking 1 this class after taking 0 last year. I love our backs, but I wish we were taking another.

    This post was edited by Corruption on 8/3/2011 at 1:57 PM

    Corruption

  • Due51 said...

    QBs in 2011 - Robinson, Gardner, Bellomy QBs in 2012 - Robinson, Gardner, Bellomy QBs in 2013 - Gardner, Bellomy, Morris QBs in 2014 - Gardner, Bellomy, Morris, and presumably a kid who is currently a sophomore in HS.

    I don't see anything alarming.

    We have our own problems here after Cousins leaves. Maxwell, then RS FR, then true frosh.

    This post was edited by Corruption on 8/3/2011 at 1:49 PM

    Corruption

  • Due51 said...

    You sort of trolled your own Michigan thread. There's a time and a place. I'm pretty sure this was neither.

    Yea, that's a way too obvious troll attempt. Poor guy blew his load; the best trolls are the ones that seem like they're serious, but never respond rationally, baiting you into taking time and effort to debate with him. Now we know not to take him seriously . . . oh well, this is a good discussion still, so I'll ignore the trolling.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • Due51 said...

    QBs in 2011 - Robinson, Gardner, Bellomy QBs in 2012 - Robinson, Gardner, Bellomy QBs in 2013 - Gardner, Bellomy, Morris QBs in 2014 - Gardner, Bellomy, Morris, and presumably a kid who is currently a sophomore in HS.

    I don't see anything alarming.

    Didn't Gardner play last year? That'd mean his eligibility would expire in 2013?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • Corruption said...

    We have are own problems here after Cousins leaves. Maxwell, then RS FR, then true frosh.

    That's the same situation we had with Hoyer in 2008; Cousins was the only back-up as a RS frosh because Foles transferred and Nichol was sitting out. Difference between us is that MSU doesn't try to run it's QB, so our injury chances are lower (still takes 1 play to hurt a guy, I know, but if we're not running our guy 10 + times in addition to 30 drop-backs, we reduce the # of chances that he gets injured).

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • If I could quote, I'd quote your last sentence. SOMEONE will breakout pray

    Out of Hopkins, Toussaint, Rawls, Hayes, and Cox, there's gotta be someone. Right? RIGHT? lol

    You'd sure think so. That's where I'm hoping the coaches either saw someone in Spring ball that they're confident in and therefore know they don't really need a RB, or that they're pushing really hard for Dunn or Marshall.

    And how does your RB core look? I know you're stacked, but between Bell, Baker, and Caper, I get lost who's in what year. Is there a chance that some of them leave early? pray

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  • I don't know if we will have a stud RB emerge this year but i am pretty confident with the group we have that we will find at least a pretty good back.

    Honestly, i don't think the way recruiting is going is actually the way the coaches laid out the plan. I mean they went after Zeke Pike and Kiel and missed on both. They only planned on taking 3 LBs but with Ross Biggs being the 4th to commit would you turn him away? I don't think they planned on landing Brown, Strobel and Wormley all from Ohio to add to Godin and Mario, but with our DL depth i don't think they can say no to any of those guys either. We have 5 OL committed already but do you say no to Diamond, Garnett, etc....?

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    WillyWolverine ●

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Didn't Gardner play last year? That'd mean his eligibility would expire in 2013?

    I'm assuming last year's minimal appearances and agonizing back problem that kept him out the rest of the season lol earn him that medical redshirt.

    This post was edited by Due51 on 8/3/2011 at 1:47 PM

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    Due51 ●

  • And Gardner is trying to get a medical redshirt. He got hurt pretty early, and that's one of the main reasons Denard stayed in for the whole Capital One Bowl. The consensus for Michigan fans was that Gardner playing in the bowl game would ruin his chances of getting it.

    We won't find out until his senior year IIRC, but I'm pretty sure he'll get it.

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    Ducksworth

  • SpartanRocky said...

    That's the same situation we had with Hoyer in 2008; Cousins was the only back-up as a RS frosh because Foles transferred and Nichol was sitting out. Difference between us is that MSU doesn't try to run it's QB, so our injury chances are lower (still takes 1 play to hurt a guy, I know, but if we're not running our guy 10 + times in addition to 30 drop-backs, we reduce the # of chances that he gets injured).

    True. Just sucks about Boisture. We were stacked.

    Corruption

  • Corruption said...

    MSU only has 5 RBs on scholarship. And are only taking 1 this class after taking 0 last year. I love our backs, but I wish we were taking another.

    6 is ideal, but we were pretty solid last year, despite Caper's development/participation being hindered greatly by injury. You could probably run any of our top 3 20 times a game and be fine for the year.

    I think we'll take 2 in 2013. I'm much more worried about our OL depth. We need to take 4 this year, if not 5, and we only have 2. Bisnowaty is pretty much our last chance for a legit 4-star OT.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • Ducksworth said...

    If I could quote, I'd quote your last sentence. SOMEONE will breakout pray

    Out of Hopkins, Toussaint, Rawls, Hayes, and Cox, there's gotta be someone. Right? RIGHT? lol

    You'd sure think so. That's where I'm hoping the coaches either saw someone in Spring ball that they're confident in and therefore know they don't really need a RB, or that they're pushing really hard for Dunn or Marshall.

    And how does your RB core look? I know you're stacked, but between Bell, Baker, and Caper, I get lost who's in what year. Is there a chance that some of them leave early? pray

    Per our latest depth chart . . .

    Baker, 5'9 210 (bowling ball?!) - True Jr

    Caper 5'11 223 - True Jr

    Bell 6'2 237 (bigger bowling ball?) - True Soph

    Nick Hill (5'7 180) - RS Frosh

    Jeremy Langford (5'11 205) - RS Frosh

    Hill's going to do KR stuff this year for sure and will be the next guy in if any of the top 3 go down. Most of us feel that the carries will be split 65% Baker, 35% Bell/Caper. I'm beginning to think that we consider RSing Caper in the event that Baker goes pro and use Bell as our power guy . . . it seems hard to have a 3 RB rotation where everyone's happy (unless you're Wisky and run in 50 times a game).

    Langford is a guy I was surprised stuck at RB. I thought he'd end up as a slot WR, like Martin, though he did run for over 2000 yards his SR year. Thought a complaint was that he had a slight frame, but 5'11 205 is fine for a RB. He won't see PT except for the early season blowout Ws against our FCS opponent and FAU.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • Macks said...

    Hardly a problem.

    2011: Cousins (RS-SR) backed up by Maxwell (RS-SO). Cook (FR) redshirts. 2012: Maxwell (RS-JR) backed up by Cook (RS-FR). O'Connor (FR) redshirts. 2013: Maxwell (RS-SR) backed up by Cook (RS-SO) and O'Connor (RS-FR).

    Keep in mind that in case of extreme emergency, we have Keith Nichol and Keshawn Martin in 2011 who can play QB. Tony Lippett can also play some QB for 2012. In 2013 we have 3 fully capable QBs on the roster.

    Peter Badovinac also factors in here somewhere.

    Hey, I'm all in for Badovinac. But the hardly becomes more of a problem if Maxwell was unable to suit up. Starting a RS FR would make things tough.

    This post was edited by Corruption on 8/3/2011 at 1:54 PM

    Corruption

  • Where are these talent issues at qb coming from? Michigan's best talent on the offensive side of the football is at the quarterback position, and it's not even up for debate. Devin and Denard are both really good. Devin is going to be a major problem for opposing defenses when he takes over, I think this kid is going to be special. I think the question for the current coaching staff is how you get your 2 best offensive players on the field when they both play quarterback? It's going to be an interesting fall camp to say the least.

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  • TheDudeAbides21 said...

    Devin is going to major problem for opposing defenses when he takes over, I think this kid is going to be special.

    From your mouth to God's ears, but I respectfully disagree.

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    Due51 ●

  • That's a pretty impressive depth chart right there. Who does Tompkins most resemble? I know he's fast as the dickens, but is he more like Baker's type of RB? I don't see anything wrong with only taking 1 RB in this class with that kind of depth and possibly not losing anyone.

    BTW, Tompkins looks really good. That highlight film is impressive. Do you know the knock on him, like why he's not higher ranked?

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    Ducksworth

  • TheDudeAbides21 said...

    Where are these talent issues at qb coming from? Michigan's best talent on the offensive side of the football is at the quarterback position, and it's not even up for debate. Devin and Denard are both really good. Devin is going to major problem for opposing defenses when he takes over, I think this kid is going to be special.

    Much like MSU, UM has only 1 proven starter, and a back-up that no one has seen much of in real game action. This season is going to be big for both back-ups; MD likes to get the heir-apparent several drives in the middle of big games, so that their experience is not all mop-up duty. I'd expect Maxwell to attempt between 40-60 passes this year.

    Right now both Maxwell and Gardiner are more hype than substance, though I admit it's rare to have a "proven" back-up in college football these days. MSU is lucky in terms of 3rd string, because Nichol decided to stay on the team and act as our emergency 3rd string guy.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • DUE51, that's not just my opinion. This comes from people who attend practice regularly and talk with numerous coaches on the current coaching staff. They think Devin has a chance to be special.

    This post was edited by TheDudeAbides21 on 8/3/2011 at 2:02 PM

    TheDudeAbides21

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