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Harry Callahan said...
Cool.
My point stands. Michigan won lots of games against Michigan School for the Deaf, Ann Arbor High School, Michigan Junior Varsity, Michigan Dental Association Alumni, Alma, Albian, Hillsdale, and the other DIII religious schools in Michigan. Then, 40 years later they went back and just awarded national championships. I'm not even sure football was played with field goal posts during some of those "awesome" NC runs Michigan had in the 1800's. Congrats.
I already admitted UM beat up on MSU a ton back in the early 1900's. Man, you guys went something like 30-5 ish against MSU to start out. I'm surprised the Aggies could even keep up and win a few of those games. Pretty outstanding for some farmers to take a break and play a few games each year, then somehow beat a football powerhouse that refused to even play in East Lansing. Quite remarkable.
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Harry Callahan said...
Cool.
My point stands. Michigan won lots of games against Michigan School for the Deaf, Ann Arbor High School, Michigan Junior Varsity, Michigan Dental Association Alumni, Alma, Albian, Hillsdale, and the other DIII religious schools in Michigan. Then, 40 years later they went back and just awarded national championships. I'm not even sure football was played with field goal posts during some of those "awesome" NC runs Michigan had in the 1800's. Congrats.
I already admitted UM beat up on MSU a ton back in the early 1900's. Man, you guys went something like 30-5 ish against MSU to start out. I'm surprised the Aggies could even keep up and win a few of those games. Pretty outstanding for some farmers to take a break and play a few games each year, then somehow beat a football powerhouse that refused to even play in East Lansing. Quite remarkable.
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Harry Callahan said...
Michigan did it for like 30 years before MSU and most of college football did it. Sure, you can take away probably 30-50 games from MSU's all time wins. You could also probably take away 100 of UM's all time wins. That's the difference.
Also, many of MSU's all time wins from back then don't really mean much. We were an Ag college with a small student body. There is almost no comparison to what UM was at the time compared to MSU/MAC/MSC. I won't make excuses from MSU. Back then, we played a lot of crappy teams and we were one of them. We probably lost to a lot of Michigan School for the Deaf type of teams.
Michigan on the other hand... you guys were claiming national titles. That's why we laugh when UM fans bring up all their titles. You won your NC's against Michigan School for the Deaf type teams. Schools like Florida, FSU, Miami, and the list goes on, they won their titles against each other. Very different. UM claims 1 legit Co-NC. That's it.
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Sorry, but Michigan has beat up on MSU in every decade except the 50's and 60's. You want to throw out the first 70 years of Michigan's history for no reason other than MSU was an ag school and was lousy at football, but then begin counting during the Munn and Dougherty years, the two decades UM was down? I don't blame you.
You know there were plenty of good football programs before the AP poll. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, ND, Army and yes even Minnesota. I'm sorry MSU isn't one of them, but you don't get to exclude the first 70 years of college football simply because it makes your numbers look better.
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Victory for MSU said...
When you were a student at the University of Michigan, what was the record of the football team against Michigan State University?
Since graduating from the University of Michigan, what was the record of the football team against Michigan State University?
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Harry Callahan said...
I never said I wanted to throw those years out. Did MSU even play in the 1800's? I have no idea, I've never looked that up. I don't even think MSU was MSU until some time in the 1950's.
I'm not excluding any time frame. I just simply do not care about college football during a time when TV's weren't even invented. If you enjoy that stuff, then that's awesome. I do not.
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Where did this fallacy of Michigan playing only inferior teams during their early years come from? Seriously, have any of you actually looked at Michigan's historical scores? I invite to check out the following link and indicate which games were against teams that you feel aren't worthy to be included in Michigan's all-time record. Add them up and then subtract them from the 1228 games our football team has played. No really, tell me which teams and how many games you think fit into this category, and then do the same thing for msu. You guys need to start doing your own research instead of parroting everything you read over on tRCMB.
All-time record 884–308–36 (.735) http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/Michigan.htm
http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/MichiganState.htm
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AnthonyBourdain said...
I did not attend the university of Michigan. After highschool my father passed and my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer. We needed money and I couldn't pay for college. So I joined the airforce and received training on how to repair and maintain medical equipment(clinical engineering). So the only record that matters is when you were in school? Did you play for Michigan state? As an alum do you get extra points for rooting for gangrene? Can you prove what you say your record is? And why does it matter?
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Victory for MSU said...
I'm sorry to hear about your family. I couldn't imagine having to go thru something like that at that age.
Yes, in my opinion, the only record that matters is the record for when you went to school and since you've graduated. Up to that point you are simply choosing a school to cheer for. I could choose to be an Alabama fan and brag about their national championships.
No, I did not play for MSU
No, I don't get extra points for being an alum. I get the benefit of having UM fans talk shit about my university when their primary affiliation with the school is liking their colors.
If you really wanted, I could get you my transcript. I can't imagine you care this much.
See above as to why this matters.
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Bringing up "Wallmart Wolverines" and trying to say they're less of fans is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. I'm currently a student at UM, and I love the fact that people who never went to Michigan are fans. It's idiotic if you think you can only be a fan by attending the school. Many of our biggest fans never had the opportunity to attend school here. Michigan is such a national brand and traditional powerhouse that people want to root for us even if they have no ties to the school.
I know that is difficult for y'all to comprehend, as the only people who could be State fans are ones who went to school there. There's no other reason to be a fan. But for teams like Texas, OSU, Michigan, USC, Alabama, and other traditional powers, we have fans outside of our alumni / student body.
That's something I'm proud of, and it makes absolutely no sense to call them less of fans. Some people can't afford the school, or don't get accepted. How does that make them less of fans?
And for the guy who says the only record that matters is the one while you went to school... wtf?
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Rocky, no one knows. Other than the fact that he is probably the craziest punter I've ever seen. He was suspended for the OSU game last year, and the first four games next year. What kind of punter can get in that kind of trouble?
This just rests more of our hopes and dreams in poor Matt Wile. He was a pretty successful HS punter (45 yard avg), so it looks like he'll have to shoulder the FG and punting responsibilities for the first four games. That's a lot to expect from a true freshman.
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