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The Official Michigan, MSU, and 1 Random Guy from Arky Thread

  • In the spirt of the MSU/UM thread, Hoke with another big recruiting victory over Dantonio.

    Big M

  • Harry Callahan said...

    I never said I wanted to throw those years out. Did MSU even play in the 1800's? I have no idea, I've never looked that up. I don't even think MSU was MSU until some time in the 1950's.

    I'm not excluding any time frame. I just simply do not care about college football during a time when TV's weren't even invented. If you enjoy that stuff, then that's awesome. I do not.

    I was actually responding to Harry Callahan. The fact that you agree that the entire history of college football should count, you know like the NCAA does it, is great to know. Harry clearly disagrees with you and I was simply pointing out the obvious flaws in his position.

    As for Harry's suggestion that the invention of the TV is an appropriate cutoff date, I'm not sure quite what to say in response to that. I'm pretty sure the Revolutionary War and the Civil War happened even though people could not watch those play out 24/7 in HD. You might as well discount everything prior to the invention of high speed internet or the iPad. Or, for that matter, the microwave oven. They are all equally silly and arbitrary dates to use.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 8/8/2011 at 11:02 AM

    MrWoodson

  • buttesnake said...

    Where did this fallacy of Michigan playing only inferior teams during their early years come from? Seriously, have any of you actually looked at Michigan's historical scores? I invite to check out the following link and indicate which games were against teams that you feel aren't worthy to be included in Michigan's all-time record. Add them up and then subtract them from the 1228 games our football team has played. No really, tell me which teams and how many games you think fit into this category, and then do the same thing for msu. You guys need to start doing your own research instead of parroting everything you read over on tRCMB.

    All-time record 884–308–36 (.735) http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/Michigan.htm

    http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/MichiganState.htm

    The funniest part is that Michigan still has played the toughest SOS of All-Time according to the CFDatabase.

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  • AnthonyBourdain said...

    For one it gets your fan base all pissy.

    Yeah, I'm pissed about losing those games 80 years ago. Damn!!! frustrated

    OTPT

  • blue2468 said...

    The funniest part is that Michigan still has played the toughest SOS of All-Time according to the CFDatabase.

    Well, clearly, that's because we have to face the powerhouse that is MSU football every year.

    MrWoodson

  • AnthonyBourdain said...

    I did not attend the university of Michigan. After highschool my father passed and my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer. We needed money and I couldn't pay for college. So I joined the airforce and received training on how to repair and maintain medical equipment(clinical engineering). So the only record that matters is when you were in school? Did you play for Michigan state? As an alum do you get extra points for rooting for gangrene? Can you prove what you say your record is? And why does it matter?

    I'm sorry to hear about your family. I couldn't imagine having to go thru something like that at that age.

    Yes, in my opinion, the only record that matters is the record for when you went to school and since you've graduated. Up to that point you are simply choosing a school to cheer for. I could choose to be an Alabama fan and brag about their national championships.

    No, I did not play for MSU

    No, I don't get extra points for being an alum. I get the benefit of having UM fans talk shit about my university when their primary affiliation with the school is liking their colors.

    If you really wanted, I could get you my transcript. I can't imagine you care this much.

    See above as to why this matters.

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  • Victory for MSU said...

    I'm sorry to hear about your family. I couldn't imagine having to go thru something like that at that age.

    Yes, in my opinion, the only record that matters is the record for when you went to school and since you've graduated. Up to that point you are simply choosing a school to cheer for. I could choose to be an Alabama fan and brag about their national championships.

    No, I did not play for MSU

    No, I don't get extra points for being an alum. I get the benefit of having UM fans talk shit about my university when their primary affiliation with the school is liking their colors.

    If you really wanted, I could get you my transcript. I can't imagine you care this much.

    See above as to why this matters.

    You can be a fan without attending the school.

    I never played or worked for the Titans, can I not root for them?

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  • Victory for MSU said...

    MSU is 2-1 when I was a student (transfer) and 1-0 as an alumnus.

    What is the record since you have been a student and an alumnus?

    17-9 since 1985. I believe I that is correct anyway.

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  • OTPT said...

    Yeah, I'm pissed about losing those games 80 years ago. Damn!!! frustrated

    Then you really must be upset about getting swept in hoops last year.

    MrWoodson

  • blue2468 said...

    You can be a fan without attending the school.

    I never played or worked for the Titans, can I not root for them?

    I totally agree. Be a fan of whatever team you want.

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  • Bringing up "Wallmart Wolverines" and trying to say they're less of fans is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. I'm currently a student at UM, and I love the fact that people who never went to Michigan are fans. It's idiotic if you think you can only be a fan by attending the school. Many of our biggest fans never had the opportunity to attend school here. Michigan is such a national brand and traditional powerhouse that people want to root for us even if they have no ties to the school.

    I know that is difficult for y'all to comprehend, as the only people who could be State fans are ones who went to school there. There's no other reason to be a fan. But for teams like Texas, OSU, Michigan, USC, Alabama, and other traditional powers, we have fans outside of our alumni / student body.

    That's something I'm proud of, and it makes absolutely no sense to call them less of fans. Some people can't afford the school, or don't get accepted. How does that make them less of fans?

    And for the guy who says the only record that matters is the one while you went to school... wtf? huh

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Then you really must be upset about getting swept in hoops last year.

    Yeah, that did actually bug the shit out of me when half the people that were talking to me about it never watched basketball outside of those 2 games.

    OTPT

  • Can we keep in on the field/court? No one needs to attack where the other posters went to school, etc. This should be limited to sports.

    So. . . . what happened to UM's Punter?!

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Rocky, no one knows. Other than the fact that he is probably the craziest punter I've ever seen. He was suspended for the OSU game last year, and the first four games next year. What kind of punter can get in that kind of trouble? shrug

    This just rests more of our hopes and dreams in poor Matt Wile. He was a pretty successful HS punter (45 yard avg), so it looks like he'll have to shoulder the FG and punting responsibilities for the first four games. That's a lot to expect from a true freshman.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Can we keep in on the field/court? No one needs to attack where the other posters went to school, etc. This should be limited to sports.

    So. . . . what happened to UM's Punter?!

    Hagerup clearly doesn't grasp how lucky he is. Playing D-1 football at a big time program with the leg to possibly even make it to the NFL. I hope he grows up soon.

    MrWoodson

  • SpartanRocky said...

    So. . . . what happened to UM's Punter?!

    He is no Space Emperor (of Space), that is for sure.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Can we keep in on the field/court? No one needs to attack where the other posters went to school, etc. This should be limited to sports.

    So. . . . what happened to UM's Punter?!

    I don't really know what he did, but it's not the first time he's been in trouble. But he does have a 4-game suspension and looks like incoming true freshman Matt Wile will take over the punting duties while he serves his suspension. Which aggravates me, if there's one piece of our team that doesn't need any more trouble it's special teams.

    Though Matt Wile was a pretty good punter in highschool, it's going to be interesting seeing how he handles most likely being the starting punter, and starting place kicker.

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  • blue2468 said...

    He is no Space Emperor (of Space), that is for sure.

    With no disrespect to Zoltan, I think Hagerup's leg might even be stronger. His problem is in between his ears.

    MrWoodson

  • Blasphemy to the Space Emperor?? Shun the nonbeliever!

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  • MrWoodson said...

    With no disrespect to Zoltan, I think Hagerup's leg might even be stronger. His problem is in between his ears.

    No point of having a leg like that if you can't play the game.

    And no one shall ever be greater than Zoltan, NOONE!

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  • Victory for MSU said...

    I'm sorry to hear about your family. I couldn't imagine having to go thru something like that at that age.

    Yes, in my opinion, the only record that matters is the record for when you went to school and since you've graduated. Up to that point you are simply choosing a school to cheer for. I could choose to be an Alabama fan and brag about their national championships.

    No, I did not play for MSU

    No, I don't get extra points for being an alum. I get the benefit of having UM fans talk shit about my university when their primary affiliation with the school is liking their colors.

    If you really wanted, I could get you my transcript. I can't imagine you care this much.

    See above as to why this matters.

    Agreed.

    Also, I'm an Auburn fan. We just won the NC. Auburn>Michigan. Silly wolvies. War Eagle.

    Harry Callahan

  • Ducksworth said...

    Blasphemy to the Space Emperor?? Shun the nonbeliever!

    ** hangs head in shame **

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 8/8/2011 at 11:47 AM

    MrWoodson

  • Ducksworth said...

    Bringing up "Wallmart Wolverines" and trying to say they're less of fans is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. I'm currently a student at UM, and I love the fact that people who never went to Michigan are fans. It's idiotic if you think you can only be a fan by attending the school. Many of our biggest fans never had the opportunity to attend school here. Michigan is such a national brand and traditional powerhouse that people want to root for us even if they have no ties to the school.

    I know that is difficult for y'all to comprehend, as the only people who could be State fans are ones who went to school there. There's no other reason to be a fan. But for teams like Texas, OSU, Michigan, USC, Alabama, and other traditional powers, we have fans outside of our alumni / student body.

    That's something I'm proud of, and it makes absolutely no sense to call them less of fans. Some people can't afford the school, or don't get accepted. How does that make them less of fans?

    And for the guy who says the only record that matters is the one while you went to school... wtf? huh

    I never brought up "Walmart Wolverines". I never said they were lesser fans either.

    It isn't difficult for me to comprehend at all. I grew up a fan of UM because I used to watch with my dad all the time. My parents have pictures of me in elementary school with a UM hat on that they love to rub in my face. People choose what team to cheer for because they want to like a team that wins, and especially at that time (late 90's), UM won. When it came time to choose schools, I visited campuses and fell in love with MSU.

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  • Harry Callahan said...

    Agreed.

    Also, I'm an Auburn fan. We just won the NC. Auburn>Michigan. Silly wolvies. War Eagle.

    You're in the wrong thread then.

    buttesnake

  • SpartanRocky said...

    In that case, good ole Mike Hart should have nothing to brag about. Afterall, he was 4-0 vs. JLS's teams.

    Ws and Ls are Ws and Ls. Unless you really want to give back all those W's from the early 1900s against high schools, YMCA's, Alma, etc. etc. . . . . but then UM wouldn't have the all time winningest program, would it?

    Can we agree not to cherry-pick our W's and L's here?

    You should go back and look at Michigan State's opponents, which include Chicago YMCA (1928), Wayne St.(1937), Grinnel (multiple years), Hillsdale, (multiple), Adrian (multiple), Carnegie Tech, Manhattan, and Cornell......of Iowa.

    Seems to me, the argument always goes like this:
    S: 3-0 over Michigan in the last 3 years.
    M: 3-0 vs. Rich Rod* fixed it
    S: Most of Michigan's wins came before WWII against teams like Alma.
    M: State played Chicago YMCA, and all the others from back then are included in your historical win/loss totals.
    S: Walmart Wolverine.
    M: Little brother.

    You guys constantly cherry pick Ws and Ls. You should be used to it.

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    MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13

    Due51

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