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SpartanRocky said...
I get it. What I'm saying is that don't expect MSU fans to acknowledge it until it shows up on the field.
Whether or not you guys care about State fans' opinions is up to you. For the purposes of this thread though, I just wouldn't expect a stream of MSU posters coming in to kiss Hoke's ring.
You look at 1 game Michigan played, I look at all 13.
Do you expect Michigan fans to do the same to Dantonio?
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FilthySanchez said...
This makes zero sense. First of all, how many times does it have to be proved that recruiting rankings are not arbitrary. Second, everyone beat Michigan with Rich Rod. If he was still our coach and bringing in those types of players, I'd be afraid of losing to just about everyone.
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Spin it how ever you want it, but it is much more irrational to claim that a sports team that has the singular goal of winning and losing would base a fear of a team off a list of players compiled by individuals not capable of receiving an actual job within the sport.
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Maize&Blue said...
That's just it. Its not just about if you win. It really depends. First off, I don't think Michigan will be an elite team this year. Which is why i have us as a good sized underdog to Alabama. Beating Michigan this coming year might not mean much other than you beat us 5 straight years and you get bragging rights again. It could also mean a Big Ten title, Rose bowl or better, etc... which would be much more impressive. Winning the Big Ten this coming year could also be almost like winning the Big East, which isn't exactly impressive. If you win the Big Ten this year but then get blown out in the Rose Bowl i wouldn't consider that an elite year. Very good sure. Elite no. I guess what i am trying to say is I don't fear teams I don't consider elite or have that possibility to turn elite quickly. MSU would have to show that this year and beating Michigan probably isn't the measuring stick to use to determine if you are elite this coming year.
I have no idea if that makes any sense at all. LOL.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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Maize&Blue said...
That's just it. Its not just about if you win. It really depends. First off, I don't think Michigan will be an elite team this year. Which is why i have us as a good sized underdog to Alabama. Beating Michigan this coming year might not mean much other than you beat us 5 straight years and you get bragging rights again. It could also mean a Big Ten title, Rose bowl or better, etc... which would be much more impressive. Winning the Big Ten this coming year could also be almost like winning the Big East, which isn't exactly impressive. If you win the Big Ten this year but then get blown out in the Rose Bowl i wouldn't consider that an elite year. Very good sure. Elite no. I guess what i am trying to say is I don't fear teams I don't consider elite or have that possibility to turn elite quickly. MSU would have to show that this year and beating Michigan probably isn't the measuring stick to use to determine if you are elite this coming year.
I have no idea if that makes any sense at all. LOL.
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Ducksworth said...
What has it been, 20? 25? years and a third of a Big Ten championship.. That's nothing to brag about either, bud.
Two in 23 years. Now let's compare that to Michigan basketball conference championships.
From the everything is relative department.
What was it 1986? If you think two in 23 are horrible............ Wow
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SpartanRocky said...
Here's my thought on it, and you did touch on this in your paragraph. There really aren't any "elite" teams in the conference this coming year. tOSU and UM looked positioned to maybe take that step, though UM's schedule and tOSU's sanctions could put that off for another year.
From MSU's perspective, a W over UM in AA could go a long ways towards clinching a 2nd straight Legends title and an excellent shot at the Rose Bowl (due to tOSU being unable to participate in the CCG). It's really about where MSU falls in the Big 10 pecking order. If tOSU and UM are the only 2 programs ahead of MSU, and only UM is in MSU's division, then it becomes pretty simple: Beat UM, play for the Rose.
In that respect, MSU is currently standing in Michigan's way. By virtue of the divisional alignments, an L to MSU is pretty crushing to UM's chances at winning the division and the conference. UM can't be elite again until it can win its own state, because it's very hard to win the conference with an L to MSU on your record.
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SpartanRocky said...
Here's my thought on it, and you did touch on this in your paragraph. There really aren't any "elite" teams in the conference this coming year. tOSU and UM looked positioned to maybe take that step, though UM's schedule and tOSU's sanctions could put that off for another year.
From MSU's perspective, a W over UM in AA could go a long ways towards clinching a 2nd straight Legends title and an excellent shot at the Rose Bowl (due to tOSU being unable to participate in the CCG). It's really about where MSU falls in the Big 10 pecking order. If tOSU and UM are the only 2 programs ahead of MSU, and only UM is in MSU's division, then it becomes pretty simple: Beat UM, play for the Rose.
In that respect, MSU is currently standing in Michigan's way. By virtue of the divisional alignments, an L to MSU is pretty crushing to UM's chances at winning the division and the conference. UM can't be elite again until it can win its own state, because it's very hard to win the conference with an L to MSU on your record.
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D.Wags said...
Two in 23 years. Now let's compare that to Michigan basketball conference championships.
From the everything is relative department.
What was it 1986? If you think two in 23 are horrible............ Wow
4 B1G teams have never played in a BCS Bowl. Indiana, Minnesota, Northwestern, and MSU.
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TerryLove said...
Citing history, as always. That's the Michigan way. It's not even worth the argument, I can go on with my life being content with the fact that you have currently won zero of the last four meetings, despite having better recruiting classes according to internet websites.
But hey, I'm also completely content with having Leveon Bell, rather than say... Kevin Grady? Weird how that works.
MSU being one of four B1G teams to never play BCS bowl is just citing history.
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