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The Official Michigan, MSU, and 1 Random Guy from Arky Thread

  • Maize&Blue said...

    The experts also had Memphis a top 10 team and MSU unrated. I rarely go by what the preseason "experts" think.

    Memphis won their conference, and had an RPI around 16. So, their pre-season ranking wasn't that far off.

    MSU was unrated because they lost 5 of their top 7 scorers. Where they finished is a testament to the coaching ability of Izzo (as shown by his Coach of the Year awards).

    NigelUno

  • Maize&Blue said...

    . I rarely go by what the preseason "experts" think.

    Exceptions for February recruit rankings?

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    DWags

  • D.Wags said...

    Exceptions for February recruit rankings?

    ZING!!!

    NigelUno

  • NigelUno said...

    Memphis won their conference, and had an RPI around 16. So, their pre-season ranking wasn't that far off.

    MSU was unrated because they lost 5 of their top 7 scorers. Where they finished is a testament to the coaching ability of Izzo (as shown by his Coach of the Year awards).

    Memphis was an 8 or 9 seed, can't remember which and lost in the first round. I would say their pre-season ranking was pretty far off.

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  • D.Wags said...

    Exceptions for February recruit rankings?

    I care what coaches think. I care that Coach Hoke, Mattison, Borges, Funk, etc... want a recruit and think highly of him. I care about offers from other coaches i respect.

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  • Maize&Blue said...

    Memphis was an 8 or 9 seed, can't remember which and lost in the first round. I would say their pre-season ranking was pretty far off.

    Obviously teams that lose in the first round should be harshly judged.

    NigelUno

  • NigelUno said...

    Obviously teams that lose in the first round should be harshly judged.

    Judge them however you wish. I would put more emphasis on the 8 or 9 seed on what type of season they had.

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  • Maize&Blue said...

    Memphis was an 8 or 9 seed, can't remember which and lost in the first round. I would say their pre-season ranking was pretty far off.

    I'll take this bait: What does that say about UM's season and pre-season #15 ranking?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I'll take this bait: What does that say about UM's season and pre-season #15 ranking?

    I think you can make your own judgement. My original point was that I don't care what the experts expectations are for Michigan. I care about my own.

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  • Maize&Blue said...

    Judge them however you wish. I would put more emphasis on the 8 or 9 seed on what type of season they had.

    So their seed is more important than winning a conference championship as far as determining what type of season they had?

    [dastardlylaugh]

    NigelUno

  • Maize&Blue said...

    I care what coaches think.

    Well coaches poll at big ten meetings had you as a favorite.

    Oh do you care that coach Hoke refers to them as Ohio? I could care less but evidently the two schools down there seem to be chafed by it. Hope that doesn't bite you guys in the ass.

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  • NigelUno said...

    So their seed is more important than winning a conference championship as far as determining what type of season they had?

    [dastardlylaugh]

    lol As far as determing how good they are compared to everyone else in the country then yes. That's what rankings do. They determine how good you are compared to every other team in the country.

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  • D.Wags said...

    Well coaches poll at big ten meetings had you as a favorite.

    Oh do you care that coach Hoke refers to them as Ohio? I could care less but evidently the two schools down there seem to be chafed by it. Hope that doesn't bite you guys in the ass.

    Well i guess the actual good conversation is over and you just want to troll now. Have a nice day.

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  • Maize&Blue said...

    lol As far as determing how good they are compared to everyone else in the country then yes. That's what rankings do. They determine how good you are compared to every other team in the country.

    Good thing Ohio ignored those rankings.

    NigelUno

  • NigelUno said...

    Good thing Ohio ignored those rankings.

    honeybadger

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  • Maize&Blue said...

    honeybadger

    By Ohio, I meant Ohio U. (the team that beat Michigan, that was seeded A LOT lower).

    Just thought I should clarify.

    NigelUno

  • NigelUno said...

    By Ohio, I meant Ohio U. (the team that beat Michigan, that was seeded A LOT lower).

    Just thought I should clarify.

    Upsets happen in the tourney. See Lehigh beating Duke, Norfolk state being Missoui etc...

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  • They finished the year ranked nationally right around where they started it, so looking at this season as a whole I'd say they met expectations this year. Id say they overachieved just slightly in conference play. They did win a share of the conference but anyone who watched B1G play saw they weren't the best team in the conference. just a typical Belien team at Michigan as far as being undersized, still playing great defense, pulling the occasional upset with the help of a great home court advantage and coming out flat in some games against lesser opponents. There's been progression each year since he's been hired and I think despite the Ohio loss most UM fans are very optimistic with the direction of the program.

    People put way too much weight into the early round exit. It happens every year. Cinderella teams come in more motivated and with more energy in that first game and higher seeds come in overlooking them. Do you think Missouri didn't have a great year because of one loss in the tourney? Its disappointing and you have to play your best basketball at this time but I don't think it should be the only barometer of success on a season. Because in all sports but especially college basketball, upsets can happen at any time. Any team can have a good or bad shooting night on any given game. They certainly underachieved in the tourney but I'm not ready to say this season was a disappointment by any means.

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  • Maize&Blue said...

    Well i guess the actual good conversation is over and you just want to troll now. Have a nice day.

    Were you upset by the coaches poll thing comment or that I wondered if you care about whether Hoke calls every school you guys play Ohio? I just wanted to avoid upsetting you again.

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  • Maize&Blue said...

    Upsets happen in the tourney. See Lehigh beating Duke, Norfolk state being Missoui etc...

    Bad coaching.

    NigelUno

  • D.Wags said...

    Were you upset by the coaches poll thing comment or that I wondered if you care about whether Hoke calls every school you guys play Ohio? I just wanted to avoid upsetting you again.

    Not upset at all. Just not going to be led into a convo that has nothing to do with the original conversation i was having.

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  • D.Wags said...

    Were you upset by the coaches poll thing comment or that I wondered if you care about whether Hoke calls every school you guys play Ohio? I just wanted to avoid upsetting you again.

    Even Beilein was doing the Ohio thing. Bad karma.

    NigelUno

  • gobigblue21 said...

    They finished the year ranked nationally right around where they started it, so looking at this season as a whole I'd say they met expectations this year. Id say they overachieved just slightly in conference play. They did win a share of the conference but anyone who watched B1G play saw they weren't the best team in the conference. just a typical Belien team at Michigan as far as being undersized, still playing great defense, pulling the occasional upset with the help of a great home court advantage and coming out flat in some games against lesser opponents. There's been progression each year since he's been hired and I think despite the Ohio loss most UM fans are very optimistic with the direction of the program.

    People put way too much weight into the early round exit. It happens every year. Cinderella teams come in more motivated and with more energy in that first game and higher seeds come in overlooking them. Do you think Missouri didn't have a great year because of one loss in the tourney? Its disappointing and you have to play your best basketball at this time but I don't think it should be the only barometer of success on a season. Because in all sports but especially college basketball, upsets can happen at any time. Any team can have a good or bad shooting night on any given game. They certainly underachieved in the tourney but I'm not ready to say this season was a disappointment by any means.

    Well said. Do you think Michigan overachieved more or MSU did?

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  • NigelUno said...

    Bad coaching.

    cool.

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  • Maize&Blue said...

    Not upset at all. Just not going to be led into a convo that has nothing to do with the original conversation i was having.

    The caches poll wasn't?

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    DWags