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  • copemoney0 said...

    Not at all.. but Kelly's offense is more similar to RR's than to Saban's pro style, which was what the law analogy basically tried to highlight

    Sure, but the two are still completely different.

    Also: A dog is more similar to a cat than an elephant is.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Never Lose Hoke on 6/20/2012 at 2:18 PM

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  • copemoney0 said...

    so you are basically saying Borges running a spread offense is as foreign to Denard as going from a spread to a pro style one?

    I could explain the rules of Midline and you'd argue that I was wrong.
    I could explain to you that Rich Rod wants to run an inside veer and use the first man on or outside the guard as the read key, while Borges would rather change the the track of the RB (which changes the mesh point and therefore changes the footwork of the QB), and you would argue that they're similar.

    I wouldn't expect Rocky to be able to adequately explain the different laws pertaining to a patent lawyer vs. a trial lawyer, and I can't explain to you the differences between the two spread offenses.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    I don't touch the SEC lol; work for a small firm. I understand that O's can be different.

    What I'm asking, in good faith here, for an explanation between the two. I'm not setting this up for a flame or anything; I'm really not seeing a ton of difference and am asking a UM fan to highlight the differences for me.

    I'd also argue that your example is the difference between a spread attack and a pro-style attack, as they both fall into the category of "CFB" offense, but are vastly different. I think a better analogy would be a guy that does tax work from an estate planning point of view and then is asked to handle real estate taxes, or a tax delinquency matter with the IRS. Both fall under the category of "tax law", but involve different skill sets.

    I don't remember the specifics off the top of my head, but Mgoblog had a breakdown on the blocking assignments. It basically showed that Borges had aa more conservative blocking scheme while RichRod had a more aggresive one. As stated, I don't remember the specifics of it though.

    This post was edited by xxmgobluexx on 6/20/2012 at 2:21 PM

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  • Due51 said...

    I could explain to you that Rich Rod wants to run an inside veer and use the first man on or outside the guard as the read key, while Borges would rather change the the track of the RB (which changes the mesh point and therefore changes the footwork of the QB).

    FWIW, this is the exact type of stuff I'd like to know biggrin.

    Also, I thought that RichRod's O keyed off the the guy outside the OT, aka, DE or LB on the LOS.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    Ever heard of YAC?

    Sure, that could be it..

    Can't find any YAC team stats though- surprising that's not available

    Was simply highlighting Denard's yards per attempt dropped in 2011, which was the only point I was making

    copemoney0

  • Due51 said...

    Try this:

    You're an attorney. You handle business transactions, estate settlements, etc, right? You deal with corporations and perhaps the SEC on certain transactions. You deal with business owners and executives, widows, and other estate lawyers.

    Now......tomorrow morning, go defend murder suspect in a capital murder trial.

    Both require an attorney but they're both vastly different. Am I right?

    You think that would be screwed up....that is exactly what judges do. They go from an intense civil matter involving a complicated area of law (like ERISA) to a capital murder case back to a civil fraud case, then a probation violation, then an international dispute, back to a drug smuggling case, etc.

    I don't see how they can handle an extensive understanding of the law in all those areas.....

    Peterklima

  • SpartanRocky said...

    FWIW, this is the exact type of stuff I'd like to know biggrin.

    Also, I thought that RichRod's O keyed off the the guy outside the OT, aka, DE or LB on the LOS.

    Rich Rod's O might have focused on that. But it had plays to option off any of the front 7.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    FWIW, this is the exact type of stuff I'd like to know biggrin.

    Also, I thought that RichRod's O keyed off the the guy outside the OT, aka, DE or LB on the LOS.

    Dude....trying to explain the rules would take about as much time as you trying to explain tax law.

    Like I said, all cars with 4 wheels and an engine aren't the same. I can't explain how the PCM on a Lamborghini works, but I can tell you it's a hell of a lot different than the one in my Fusion.

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  • Peterklima said...

    You think that would be screwed up....that is exactly what judges do. They go from an intense civil matter involving a complicated area of law (like ERISA) to a capital murder case back to a civil fraud case, then a probation violation, then an international dispute, back to a drug smuggling case, etc.

    I don't see how they can handle an extensive understanding of the law in all those areas.....

    Helllllllllllllllo law clerks . . .

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 6/20/2012 at 2:28 PM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

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  • Due51 said...

    Dude....trying to explain the rules would take about as much time as you trying to explain tax law.

    Like I said, all cars with 4 wheels and an engine aren't the same. I can't explain how the PCM on a Lamborghini works, but I can tell you it's a hell of a lot different than the one in my Fusion.

    We have all summer wink_msu. I'm not trying to get under your skin here; I'm honestly curious about Borges' offense and how he's creating something for Denard that doesn't take him too far outside his comfort zone.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Looks like MSU is going to pick up Darian Hicks

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    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    We have all summer wink_msu. I'm not trying to get under your skin here; I'm honestly curious about Borges' offense and how he's creating something for Denard that doesn't take him too far outside his comfort zone.

    I'm not too versed in all of the specifics. But under Borges Denard has to throw to a receiver as opposed to a spot like in Rich Rod's O. Also the WR's have route trees where they can choose several different routes on some plays which can create some confusion for Denard, especially seeing as he has never had to do that.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Sure, that could be it..

    Can't find any YAC team stats though- surprising that's not available

    Was simply highlighting Denard's yards per attempt dropped in 2011, which was the only point I was making

    A lot of those yards are YAC yards from 2010 and that fake QB run and pass to a wide open Roundtree.

    If Borges wants the offense to become real elite, he needs to throw some bubble screens in there to stretch the field from side to side. Last year we weren't making teams cover the entire field, and it hurt us in some games.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Looks like MSU is going to pick up Darian Hicks

    Jon Reschke ‏@J_Reschke48 Everyone go follow @dhicky695 ... MSU's next big commit! ‪#GoGreen‬

    @dhicky695: @J_Reschke48 thanks bro!!

    If he is from Mason, he might be a relative.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    Looks like both teams were overrated and neither team beat anyone worth bragging about.

    Yet if you switch schedules, VT is starting at 8-4 or 7-5, while UGA would be at worst, 12-1

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    Yet if you switch schedules, VT is starting at 8-4 or 7-5, while UGA would be at worst, 12-1

    Why? Because you say so?

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Looks like MSU is going to pick up Darian Hicks

    Jon Reschke ‏@J_Reschke48
    Everyone go follow @dhicky695 ... MSU's next big commit! ‪#GoGreen‬

    @dhicky695: @J_Reschke48 thanks bro!!

    That would be a great commit. I liked him alot and I was hoping he would get a Michigan offer, didn't work out though.

    xxmgobluexx

  • InTenSity said...

    If he is from Mason, he might be a relative.

    You a Bulldog?

    xxmgobluexx

  • copemoney0 said...

    Yet if you switch schedules, VT is starting at 8-4 or 7-5, while UGA would be at worst, 12-1

    Your arguments get more and more hypothetical as the day goes on lol. Might as well and try and think how each team would face against the lingerie bowl teams roflmao

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Looks like MSU is going to pick up Darian Hicks

    Jon Reschke ‏@J_Reschke48 Everyone go follow @dhicky695 ... MSU's next big commit! ‪#GoGreen‬

    @dhicky695: @J_Reschke48 thanks bro!!

    Would be very nice pickup

    copemoney0

  • Hoffelcopter said...

    Your arguments get more and more hypothetical as the day goes on lol. Might as well and try and think how each team would face against the lingerie bowl teams roflmao

    Yea, it was clear yesterday that this guy just talks in circles. Everybody is seeing it.

    xxmgobluexx

  • WillyWolverine said...

    Why? Because you say so?

    Again common sense

    The only matchups that would be quasi difficult for UGA would be Clemson and UM.. assume UGA beats Clemson at least once and beats UM :)

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    Yet if you switch schedules, VT is starting at 8-4 or 7-5, while UGA would be at worst, 12-1

    And if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. This is a stupid argument you are making as Georgia might have had good numbers, but they beat nobody of note and padded their stats vs the likes of Coastal Carolina. At this point you are just pulling things out of your bumhole.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Again common sense

    The only matchups that would be quasi difficult for UGA would be Clemson and UM.. assume UGA beats Clemson at least once and beats UM :)

    Ok so i was right. Just because you say so.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Again common sense

    The only matchups that would be quasi difficult for UGA would be Clemson and UM.. assume UGA beats Clemson at least once and beats UM :)

    Again, just because Georgia was in the SEC, doesn't mean they were any good. Name one GOOD win for them. I don't think they beat anybody in the top 25. lol Your argument is just pathetic.

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