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  • Ducksworth said...

    If I could quote, I'd quote your last sentence. SOMEONE will breakout pray

    Out of Hopkins, Toussaint, Rawls, Hayes, and Cox, there's gotta be someone. Right? RIGHT? lol

    You'd sure think so. That's where I'm hoping the coaches either saw someone in Spring ball that they're confident in and therefore know they don't really need a RB, or that they're pushing really hard for Dunn or Marshall.

    And how does your RB core look? I know you're stacked, but between Bell, Baker, and Caper, I get lost who's in what year. Is there a chance that some of them leave early? pray

    Per our latest depth chart . . .

    Baker, 5'9 210 (bowling ball?!) - True Jr

    Caper 5'11 223 - True Jr

    Bell 6'2 237 (bigger bowling ball?) - True Soph

    Nick Hill (5'7 180) - RS Frosh

    Jeremy Langford (5'11 205) - RS Frosh

    Hill's going to do KR stuff this year for sure and will be the next guy in if any of the top 3 go down. Most of us feel that the carries will be split 65% Baker, 35% Bell/Caper. I'm beginning to think that we consider RSing Caper in the event that Baker goes pro and use Bell as our power guy . . . it seems hard to have a 3 RB rotation where everyone's happy (unless you're Wisky and run in 50 times a game).

    Langford is a guy I was surprised stuck at RB. I thought he'd end up as a slot WR, like Martin, though he did run for over 2000 yards his SR year. Thought a complaint was that he had a slight frame, but 5'11 205 is fine for a RB. He won't see PT except for the early season blowout Ws against our FCS opponent and FAU.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Macks said...

    Hardly a problem.

    2011: Cousins (RS-SR) backed up by Maxwell (RS-SO). Cook (FR) redshirts. 2012: Maxwell (RS-JR) backed up by Cook (RS-FR). O'Connor (FR) redshirts. 2013: Maxwell (RS-SR) backed up by Cook (RS-SO) and O'Connor (RS-FR).

    Keep in mind that in case of extreme emergency, we have Keith Nichol and Keshawn Martin in 2011 who can play QB. Tony Lippett can also play some QB for 2012. In 2013 we have 3 fully capable QBs on the roster.

    Peter Badovinac also factors in here somewhere.

    Hey, I'm all in for Badovinac. But the hardly becomes more of a problem if Maxwell was unable to suit up. Starting a RS FR would make things tough.

    This post was edited by Corruption on 8/3/2011 at 1:54 PM

    Corruption

  • Where are these talent issues at qb coming from? Michigan's best talent on the offensive side of the football is at the quarterback position, and it's not even up for debate. Devin and Denard are both really good. Devin is going to be a major problem for opposing defenses when he takes over, I think this kid is going to be special. I think the question for the current coaching staff is how you get your 2 best offensive players on the field when they both play quarterback? It's going to be an interesting fall camp to say the least.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by TheDudeAbides21 on 8/3/2011 at 2:06 PM

    TheDudeAbides21

  • Corruption said...

    Hey, I'm all in for Badovinac. But the hardly becomes more of a problem if Maxwell was unable to suit up. Starting a RS FR would make things tough.

    Fair enough but it's better than starting a true frosh!

    Although hopefully in 2012 our defense will carry us. It's looking scary.

    This post was edited by Macks on 8/3/2011 at 1:59 PM

    Macks

  • TheDudeAbides21 said...

    Devin is going to major problem for opposing defenses when he takes over, I think this kid is going to be special.

    From your mouth to God's ears, but I respectfully disagree.

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    MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13

    Due51

  • That's a pretty impressive depth chart right there. Who does Tompkins most resemble? I know he's fast as the dickens, but is he more like Baker's type of RB? I don't see anything wrong with only taking 1 RB in this class with that kind of depth and possibly not losing anyone.

    BTW, Tompkins looks really good. That highlight film is impressive. Do you know the knock on him, like why he's not higher ranked?

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  • TheDudeAbides21 said...

    Where are these talent issues at qb coming from? Michigan's best talent on the offensive side of the football is at the quarterback position, and it's not even up for debate. Devin and Denard are both really good. Devin is going to major problem for opposing defenses when he takes over, I think this kid is going to be special.

    Much like MSU, UM has only 1 proven starter, and a back-up that no one has seen much of in real game action. This season is going to be big for both back-ups; MD likes to get the heir-apparent several drives in the middle of big games, so that their experience is not all mop-up duty. I'd expect Maxwell to attempt between 40-60 passes this year.

    Right now both Maxwell and Gardiner are more hype than substance, though I admit it's rare to have a "proven" back-up in college football these days. MSU is lucky in terms of 3rd string, because Nichol decided to stay on the team and act as our emergency 3rd string guy.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • DUE51, that's not just my opinion. This comes from people who attend practice regularly and talk with numerous coaches on the current coaching staff. They think Devin has a chance to be special.

    This post was edited by TheDudeAbides21 on 8/3/2011 at 2:02 PM

    TheDudeAbides21

  • Ducksworth said...

    That's a pretty impressive depth chart right there. Who does Tompkins most resemble? I know he's fast as the dickens, but is he more like Baker's type of RB? I don't see anything wrong with only taking 1 RB in this class with that kind of depth and possibly not losing anyone.

    BTW, Tompkins looks really good. That highlight film is impressive. Do you know the knock on him, like why he's not higher ranked?

    Tompkins is probably similar to Baker. He was electronically timed at 4.38 I believe.

    I speak for the entire RCMB when I say I cannot figure out how he's not ranked higher. Probably the most impressive highlight film that i've ever seen. He cuts at full speed and just straight up burns past even DBs. He's a bit small but not THAT small and it's hard to see him break tackle because he tends to just outrun them. Competition isnt an issue either because he plays in Georgia 5A, which is the top.

    His offer list is full of good running schools too, like Cal and Wisconsin. I can't see how he isn't ranked higher.

    Macks

  • SpartanRocky said...

    MD likes to get the heir-apparent several drives in the middle of big games,

    Other than filling in for a banged up Cousins, when did Maxwell get inserted into a big game?

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    Due51

  • Ducksworth said...

    That's a pretty impressive depth chart right there. Who does Tompkins most resemble? I know he's fast as the dickens, but is he more like Baker's type of RB? I don't see anything wrong with only taking 1 RB in this class with that kind of depth and possibly not losing anyone.

    BTW, Tompkins looks really good. That highlight film is impressive. Do you know the knock on him, like why he's not higher ranked?

    We've been trying to figure out why he's not a 4-star since the day he committed. The kid plays in GA 5A, the highest division in Georgia, and pretty much can't be touched. He's only 5'10 185, so maybe that's a knock, but if that Thomas kid last year can be a 5-star at 5'9 165, then I don't see how Tompkins can get knocked for his size (He's about the same as Hayes in terms of size).

    FWIW, Tompkins is a pure speed guy, and not an every down back at this point. Baker is more a power runner with speed, than he is a burner. Nice change of pace guy though, we'll see if he develops physically to the point where he can be an every-down back.

    Thing to keep in mind with all these guys is that their body is going to change a ton between now and their RS Soph years (generally the year I feel a kid should be counted on to make an impact, though there are always exceptions).

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Due51 said...

    Other than filling in for a banged up Cousins, when did Maxwell get inserted into a big game?

    I meant the starter's last year; only big game Maxwell got in was Bama last year, and most of us felt that was a mistake.

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 8/3/2011 at 2:05 PM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I mean the year the starter leaves; only big game Maxwell got in was Bama last year.

    He played for a while against Iowa too.

    Macks

  • Yeah, I was trying to evaluate the highlight film and see what could possibly be wrong with him, and then I remembered that I sucked at that so I just sat back and enjoyed. Very fun to watch. Now here's to hoping that we see Pipkins and Wormley flattening him in a couple years cheers

    As for the backup QBs, I'm not too worried about Devin. We'll see how Denard handles the offense, and if it flows under him, then we'd probably keep the same pattern and hopefully Gardner can step in and it won't be too much of a letdown. He's definitely a good athlete, but we'll see how good of a QB he is.

    And for the really important stuff, Rocky, fess up. You gotta be pumped to get to 5,000 posts.

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    Ducksworth

  • Macks said...

    He played for a while against Iowa too.

    Don't mean to lol, but........

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    Due51

  • Due51 said...

    Don't mean to lol, but........

    I never said he played WELL. lol

    Macks

  • SpartanRocky said...

    6 is ideal, but we were pretty solid last year, despite Caper's development/participation being hindered greatly by injury. You could probably run any of our top 3 20 times a game and be fine for the year.

    I think we'll take 2 in 2013. I'm much more worried about our OL depth. We need to take 4 this year, if not 5, and we only have 2. Bisnowaty is pretty much our last chance for a legit 4-star OT.

    Baker and Bell I would take, Caper not so much. For some reason you guys are in love with Caper, and yet he has yet to rush for more than 3.9 ypc in a season.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Baker and Bell I would take, Caper not so much. For some reason you guys are in love with Caper, and yet he has yet to rush for more than 3.9 ypc in a season.

    Caper's biggest asset is his versatility. He was set to be the star back this year but Baker took that over after Caper got injured early. Caper is still the best receiving option out of the backfield. He's also not a bad blocker. He would start on quite a few BCS teams, but right now he's playing second fiddle to Baker.

    Macks

  • TheDudeAbides21 said...

    DUE51 that's not just my opinoin. This comes from people who attend practice regularly and talk with numerous coaches on the coaching staff. They think Devin has a chance to be special.

    I would hope so, #1 rated mobile QB coming out of high school should mean something for a chance to be special. We will see if it translate to the college game.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Baker and Bell I would take, Caper not so much. For some reason you guys are in love with Caper, and yet he has yet to rush for more than 3.9 ypc in a season.

    Yea, I know, we've been back and forth. Right now he's already passed Bell on the depth chart for the #2 back. I guess it was the feeling that he was our #1 guy going into last fall, with Baker expecting to compliment him, until Caper hurt his hand and had to sit out the first 3 games. So, you figure if he's even close to the back that had beaten out Baker last fall, we've got a pretty good RB on our hands.

    FWIW it was a hand fracture, nothing wrong with his legs/shoulders/hips. It affected his grip strength, so he didn't get a ton of carries, instead was used as a 3rd down guy and led the RBs in receptions, despite only appearing in 10 of our 13 games.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Very surprised that Caper is #2 on the depth chart.

    Also, Rocky, Macks, and other state fans: Sorry about the troll on your site. Blue2468 has talked about it a lot in our thread, but apparently it doesn't work.

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    Ducksworth

  • Macks said...

    Caper's biggest asset is his versatility. He was set to be the star back this year but Baker took that over after Caper got injured early. Caper is still the best receiving option out of the backfield. He's also not a bad blocker. He would start on quite a few BCS teams, but right now he's playing second fiddle to Baker.

    Not trying to flame, just going to state some stats. Has yet to average even 4 ypc for a season and has a grand total of 15 catches for his career. He averages almost 2 ypc than Baker and Bell, they are studs, Caper is average, so far.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Not trying to flame, just going to state some stats. Has yet to average even 4 ypc for a season and has a grand total of 15 catches for his career. He averages almost 2 ypc than Baker and Bell, they are studs, Caper is average, so far.

    Not begrudging your stance at all. Perfectly reasonable for someone outside the program and logical as well. He's the middle ground between Baker and Bell; not as fast as Baker, not as big as Bell . . . but bigger than Baker and faster than Bell. He's had 2 injuries; knee against IL in 2009, and his hand prior to the 2010 season. Between the 2 injuries, he beat out Baker for the #1 RB role last year, before injuring his hand about a week before our opener.

    MSU fans were really distraught at that time, then Baker took his 2nd carry for a 23 yard TD, and Bell had a 60+ yard run on his 2nd or 3rd carry . . . . and we didn't worry about Caper anymore.

    From our perspective, we're getting a guy that the coaches actually liked ahead of our 1st team All-Big RB back at 100%, so that's why we're high on him. I don't expect any other fans to be; he has to prove it on the field (spring games and fall practices are where hype springs eternal, afterall lol)

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Caper when healthy should be pretty good. We'll see this year. Bell emerged as a surprise last year and was a great bruising tandem back to Baker's speed. Caper, as Rocky said above, got stuck in the middle. 2010 was supposed to be his breakout year but injuries messed that up.

    How surprising is it that we're actually arguing the effectiveness of a 4-star RB who is pretty much 2nd/3rd string now? lol In the JLS days he would have been our only hope.

    Macks

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Not begrudging your stance at all. Perfectly reasonable for someone outside the program and logical as well. He's the middle ground between Baker and Bell; not as fast as Baker, not as big as Bell . . . but bigger than Baker and faster than Bell. He's had 2 injuries; knee against IL in 2009, and his hand prior to the 2010 season. Between the 2 injuries, he beat out Baker for the #1 RB role last year, before injuring his hand about a week before our opener.

    MSU fans were really distraught at that time, then Baker took his 2nd carry for a 23 yard TD, and Bell had a 60+ yard run on his 2nd or 3rd carry . . . . and we didn't worry about Caper anymore.

    From our perspective, we're getting a guy that the coaches actually liked ahead of our 1st team All-Big RB back at 100%, so that's why we're high on him. I don't expect any other fans to be; he has to prove it on the field (spring games and fall practices are where hype springs eternal, afterall lol)

    I see where you guys trust the coaching staff which would make you put Caper up there with the other 2. On the field the production isn't there yet though.

    xxmgobluexx