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  • steveschneider said...

    I was pretty underwhelmed by Auburn and Oregon last year. Who's to say TCU couldn't have won that game?

    I would pick Bama in a playoff in that case.

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  • Maize&Blue said...

    Don't think we have much choice as far as going young. There just isn't a lot of bodies on the DL that have experience.

    And as I said, that's through no fault of Hoke.

    The lines, despite being the most important groups on the field, also take the longest to develop. MSU had a very solid DL in 2007 and it took 4 seasons to get it back to that level. I'm not predicting the same lull for UM by any means, but I'll be watching your OL/DL development closely in the spring and in September.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • steveschneider said...

    I was pretty underwhelmed by Auburn and Oregon last year. Who's to say TCU couldn't have won that game?

    That's because both O's were predicated on timing and rhythm; they weren't a smash-mouth, line-em up and pound you in the face-type teams.

    That's ancillary to the major issue, which is that there is WAY too much time between the end of the CCGs and the NC game. It's not surprising that the Fiesta/Rose Bowls are usually better played games than the NCs.

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 2/23/2012 at 4:04 PM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Auburn rolled through the SEC undefeated.

    TCU was 13-0.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    And as I said, that's through no fault of Hoke.

    The lines, despite being the most important groups on the field, also take the longest to develop. MSU had a very solid DL in 2007 and it took 4 seasons to get it back to that level. I'm not predicting the same lull for UM by any means, but I'll be watching your OL/DL development closely in the spring and in September.

    Oh no i wasn't trying to claim you were saying anything. Was just commenting that i don't think it was really a choice to go young.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    That's because both O's were predicated on timing and rhythm; they weren't a smash-mouth, line-em up and pound you in the face-type teams.

    That's ancillary to the major issue, which is that there is WAY too much time between the end of the CCGs and the NC game. It's not surprising that the Fiesta/Rose Bowls are usually better played games than the NCs.

    Solid point, there's some good discussion today. I'm about to unload +1's all around.

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  • Maize&Blue said...

    I would pick Bama in a playoff in that case.

    Me too, that's a good call.

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  • steveschneider said...

    TCU was 13-0.

    Talk to us when TCU plays a normal schedule.

    maizegoblue

  • Maize&Blue said...

    I would pick Bama in a playoff in that case.

    But then again if it's a 4 team playoff, would Bama have made it. They had 3 losses that year. I think TCU is prob the best argument for the last 10 years to have gotten hosed by not having a playoff system in tact.

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  • maizegoblue said...

    Talk to us when TCU plays a normal schedule.

    They beat Wisconsin, they went 13-0. That's why a playoff system is crucial. They looked like a pretty damn solid team to me.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    And as I said, that's through no fault of Hoke.

    The lines, despite being the most important groups on the field, also take the longest to develop. MSU had a very solid DL in 2007 and it took 4 seasons to get it back to that level. I'm not predicting the same lull for UM by any means, but I'll be watching your OL/DL development closely in the spring and in September.

    Yeah, that's why I'm a lot less optimistic about the upcoming season than most Michigan fans. I think it's been proven that in college football the best teams are stellar up the middle. Pick a winning team and chances are they have a good to great d-line. Really, the one saving grace for me is that Greg Mattison is a former d-line coach(along with Hoke) and one of the best defensive coordinators in the country. They should be able to coach the line up to be serviceable but I'm not expecting much.

    On the offensive line the spot I'm worried about is center. The guy replacing Molk has never played a single game for Michigan. That's an alarming thought for any team.

    This post was edited by jimtaco on 2/23/2012 at 4:16 PM

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  • Maize&Blue said...

    Oh no i wasn't trying to claim you were saying anything. Was just commenting that i don't think it was really a choice to go young.

    Oh, I know! I was just reiterating that it's not Hoke's fault.

    I get on ND guys who say Weiss/Willingham left the cupboard bare, but UM fans have a legit beef here. MSU was in a similar situation with the DL, OL and DBs after JLS.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • steveschneider said...

    But then again if it's a 4 team playoff, would Bama have made it. They had 3 losses that year. I think TCU is prob the best argument for the last 10 years to have gotten hosed by not having a playoff system in tact.

    Dude, Auburn in 2003-2004. 13-0 in the SEC, no shot at the NC game when USC depantsed Oklahoma.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • steveschneider said...

    But then again if it's a 4 team playoff, would Bama have made it. They had 3 losses that year. I think TCU is prob the best argument for the last 10 years to have gotten hosed by not having a playoff system in tact.

    Well nope Bama would not of made it. I don't really consider 4 teams a playoff. That's more just a plus 1 to me. I would throw Auburn in there the year they were undefeated with Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown as a team that got hosed by not having a playoff system.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Oh, I know! I was just reiterating that it's not Hoke's fault.

    I get on ND guys who say Weiss/Willingham left the cupboard bare, but UM fans have a legit beef here. MSU was in a similar situation with the DL, OL and DBs after JLS.

    Cool. Yeah i hate the cupboard is bare excuse. I think as far as starters go Michigan had plenty of talent to be solid which is evident by the 11-2 season. However, as far as depth goes, especially on the lines, yeah it was pretty bare.

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  • What's funny is that Michigan probably could have coasted to 9 or 10 win seasons if they had hired another pro-style coach instead of Rich Rod. They even a 5 star Ryan Mallet waiting for them.

    Looking back it's really easy to see just how bad that hire was.

    jimtaco ●

  • jimtaco said...

    What's funny is that Michigan probably could have coasted to 9 or 10 win seasons if they had hired another pro-style coach instead of Rich Rod. They even a 5 star Ryan Mallet waiting for them.

    Looking back it's really easy to see just how bad that hire was.

    It would have been interesting to see what we could have done with Casteel or an actual 3-3-5 coach.

    But, yeah looking back it was probably not the best idea.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Dude, Auburn in 2003-2004. 13-0 in the SEC, no shot at the NC game when USC depantsed Oklahoma.

    Yes, thanks. Good call.

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  • steveschneider said...

    They beat Wisconsin, they went 13-0. That's why a playoff system is crucial. They looked like a pretty damn solid team to me.

    4 team playoff last year would have included:

    1 Auburn
    2 Oregon
    3 TCU
    4 Stanford

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  • I put a list together of the kids who have offers from both Michigan and MSU, according to 247. Michigan has offers out to 102 kids, MSU has offers out to 46 kids. Here are the kids with both Michigan and MSU offers that haven't committed yet.

    Jaylon Smith, OLB, 98 rating
    Adam Breneman, TE, 96 rating
    Darius Latham, OT, 95 rating
    Ethan Pocic, OT, 95 rating
    Tashawn Bower, WDE, 94 rating
    Elijah Daniel, SDE, 94 rating
    Greg Webb, DT, 94 rating
    Laquon Treadwell, WR, 94 rating
    Patrick Kugler, OT, 92 rating
    Alex Anzalone, OLB, 91 rating
    Ben Gedeon, LB, 90 rating
    James Onwualu, WR, 88 rating
    Shane Jones, ILB, 87 rating
    Kevin Gladney, WR, 87 rating
    Joe Mathis, WDE, 85 rating

    So my question is, out of the guys with common offers, who gets who between the 2 schools?

    I feel that Michigan picks up Treadwell for sure. Michigan is in it for Pocic. I have read alot about the other kids, but not sure where Michigan stands with them.

    I don't know enough about MSU (one of the reason's I am asking) to know who they have a good shot at. I think Gedeon is going to be a good head to head battle between the 2 schools for his services.

    On a side note, these are the kids with common offers that have already committed.

    Shane Morris, QB, 97 rating, Committed to Michigan
    Jake Raulerson, OT, 96 rating, Committed to Texas
    Kyle Bosch, OT, 95 rating, Committed to Michigan
    Dymonte Thomas, S, 95 rating, Committed to Michigan
    Steve Elmer, OT, 95 rating, Committed to Notre Dame
    Wyatt Shallman, SDE, 92 rating, Committed to Michigan
    Billy Price, DT, 92 rating, Committed to Ohio State

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  • Out of those,

    Breneman is all PSU
    MSU has a great shot at Kugler
    Jaylon Smith is ND imo, especially if his brother gets his release

    MSU has a good chance at Shane Jones (Moeller connection) and Gedeon will be a battle.

    Treadwell seems high on UM, and MSU seems to be in the hunt for Robert Foster (#1 WR in the country) who is good friends with 2012 S Demetrious Cox. We're only taking 1 WR this class after taking 5 last year so it's good to be able to say "you'll be the only one at your position we take this year".

    Macks

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Shane Morris, QB, 97 rating, Committed to Michigan Jake Raulerson, OT, 96 rating, Committed to Texas Kyle Bosch, OT, 95 rating, Committed to Michigan Dymonte Thomas, S, 95 rating, Committed to Michigan Steve Elmer, OT, 95 rating, Committed to Notre Dame Wyatt Shallman, SDE, 92 rating, Committed to Michigan Billy Price, DT, 92 rating, Committed to Ohio State

    We're counting non-comitable offers?sarcasm

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  • Macks said...

    Out of those,

    Breneman is all PSU
    MSU has a great shot at Kugler
    Jaylon Smith is ND imo, especially if his brother gets his release

    MSU has a good chance at Shane Jones (Moeller connection) and Gedeon will be a battle.

    Treadwell seems high on UM, and MSU seems to be in the hunt for Robert Foster (#1 WR in the country) who is good friends with 2012 S Demetrious Cox. We're only taking 1 WR this class after taking 5 last year so it's good to be able to say "you'll be the only one at your position we take this year".

    Agree in Breneman and Smith.

    Who is MSU's main competition for Kulger? Michigan has some targets before he comes into play, imo. Pocic, McGovern, Montelus... Kulger is supposed to be visiting Michigan this weekend also though.

    Foster would be huge for MSU, picking up Cox could pay more dividends than just what he brings to the field.

    xxmgobluexx

  • Rocket_Play said...

    We're counting non-comitable offers?sarcasm

    biggrin 247 doesn't break it down beyond simple offers.

    xxmgobluexx

  • I don't have VIP but did Sparty make the top 10 for Pocic?

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