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  • After looking over MSU's depth on the d-line, Dantonio really deserves a lot of credit for his ability to develop talent up front. It's really impressive.

    jimtaco

  • Jandy said...

    I think this is an important point that isn't stressed enough.

    I'm not completely sold on UM's defense next year, but this aspect should be a big component of any improvement/growth...

    Agreed. They talked about it on BTN last week and tweeted about it this week. MSU really has an advantage with this right now. Upperclassmen have spent 3-5 years in the program with the same coaches, they are like coaches on the field helping the underclassmen. They know what the coaches expect and they know what needs to be done.

    xxmgobluexx

  • Bevostevo said...

    You boys from Michigan can fight over who's better...just both of you beat the crap out of osu..they suck.

    suck?????

    u been asleep the last decade?

    save last yr, its been osu and only osu in the big 10

    a2brutus

  • a2brutus said...

    suck?????

    u been asleep the last decade?

    save last yr, its been osu and only osu in the big 10

    You abbreviated a three letter word and a four letter word.

    Authentic buckeye fan. confused

    jimtaco

  • jimtaco said...

    After looking over MSU's depth on the d-line, Dantonio really deserves a lot of credit for his ability to develop talent up front. It's really impressive.

    Yeah, they have good depth a lot of places on the D. I don't like it. I hope we're going to get past the days of extreme attrition which have plagued us the past few years. Actually build solid depth, and get to redshirt most players. Dantonio does deserve credit for building a solid team the 'right way'; makes for a more stable program.

    MercuryHayes

  • jimtaco said...

    After looking over MSU's depth on the d-line, Dantonio really deserves a lot of credit for his ability to develop talent up front. It's really impressive.

    We'll see this year. Last year's DT rotation consisted of a walk-on (Strayhorn) a 2-star converted LB (Pickelman), a JUCO (White) and a 3-star (Worthy). This year it looks like it'll be a JUCO (White, though he's in his 3rd year at MSU, somewhat rare for a JUCO), a converted 3-star DE (Hoover), a converted 3-star OG/DT/whatever line the coaches decide to put him on (Reynolds), and a 3-star transfer from Vandy (Kittredge).

    In short, only White's proven at the position. Reynolds has looked "ok" in limited action, but needs to be consistent. Hoover was injured all of last year. Kittredge sat out the year (RS Soph this fall).

    DE I feel pretty good about for MSU. Gholston and Rush are arguably the top DE tandem in the league, and back-up Corey Freeman returns. The other back-up, Drone, has been moved to TE to bolster depth there, and because RS FR Shilique Calhoun has turned a lot of heads.

    LB/DB is the deepest position on the team. Only Robinson is gone out of both of those groups.

    MSU is going to have to lean on its D; how much depends on how fast Maxwell and Co. get up to speed.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Agreed. They talked about it on BTN last week and tweeted about it this week. MSU really has an advantage with this right now. Upperclassmen have spent 3-5 years in the program with the same coaches, they are like coaches on the field helping the underclassmen. They know what the coaches expect and they know what needs to be done.

    That's exactly what the benefit is of having the same system in place for a number of years. UM will be more comfortable in their schemes this year, and even moreso in 2013. Things should be well established by 2014, when Hoke's first batch of true FR are true SRs.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    That's exactly what the benefit is of having the same system in place for a number of years. UM will be more comfortable in their schemes this year, and even moreso in 2013. Things should be well established by 2014, when Hoke's first batch of true FR are true SRs.

    For sure. Everybody starts to play faster knowing their assignments.

    Someone said that this is the first time the seniors have had the same base defense in back to back years.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    For sure. Everybody starts to play faster knowing their assignments.

    Someone said that this is the first time the seniors have had the same base defense in back to back years.

    GERG's 2nd year? biggrin

    I think the defensive secondary and LB corps will be better. The question is really if someone in the middle can match Mike Martin's rush defense, and ability to get pressure. If they do half as well as he did, our D should be slightly improved overall. If not, all bets are off.

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    neoavatara

  • UM guys think CB Darian hicks gets an offer on his visit to UM this week or in the future?

    swizbeatz

  • neoavatara said...

    GERG's 2nd year? biggrin

    I think the defensive secondary and LB corps will be better. The question is really if someone in the middle can match Mike Martin's rush defense, and ability to get pressure. If they do half as well as he did, our D should be slightly improved overall. If not, all bets are off.

    Didn't they go from a base 4-3 to a 3-3-5 in Gerg's second year?

    Agreed. The BTN guys said that Michigan's back seven is the fastest they have seen, but they hype and pump and haven't seen everybody yet. Campbell, Washington, Black... will be the key to the defense though plugging up the middle.

    xxmgobluexx

  • jimtaco said...

    After looking over MSU's depth on the d-line, Dantonio really deserves a lot of credit for his ability to develop talent up front. It's really impressive.

    Depth is one of the biggest strengths of Dantonio's defense, across the board. The starters know that if they miss a beat, there is someone waiting in the wings to take over, and I think this really pushes the starters. On the same note, when a position opens, the players competing to take over the starting spot realize that they won't have many opportunities to jump in and show what they've got.

    These factors contribute towards one thing that many recruits and media have all noticed; extremely intense practices. Most everyone is always giving 100% and this amplifies everything that I've already mentioned.

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    Jandy

  • swizbeatz said...

    UM guys think CB Darian hicks gets an offer on his visit to UM this week or in the future?

    I think there is a good chance once he gets on campus. The kid seems to be a solid player.

    xxmgobluexx

  • neoavatara said...

    GERG's 2nd year? biggrin

    I think the defensive secondary and LB corps will be better. The question is really if someone in the middle can match Mike Martin's rush defense, and ability to get pressure. If they do half as well as he did, our D should be slightly improved overall. If not, all bets are off.

    panicpanicpanic is not really a base defense wink_msu

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Here's MSU's spring roster

    http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/msu/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/SpringRoster2012.pdf

    Couple of notables:

    Denicos Allen is huge at 5'11 232. I hope he can move.

    Lawrence Thomas had better get his weight under control, or play DT. He's listed at 6'3 280.

    Max Bullough looks like your prototype Big 10 MIKE: 6'3 252.

    Nick Hill is a freaking bowling ball at 5'8 190 lol.

    Joel Heath is looking to take over for Gholston whenever he leaves: 6'6 277.

    Going to be very interesting going forward. The OTs got huge: the smallest is Fonoti at 6'4 300. France is 6'5 316, Burkland 6'7 315, Conway 6'6 325 (!?), Dennis is 6'6 309. Those are border-line Wisconsin-sized guys (whether they have the same ability remains to be seen). Interior OL are smaller, most in the high 290s.

    NT has a 3 possible 320 pounders in White, Reynolds and RS FR Ramondo. I assume only White and Reynolds have that as "good" weight. 3-tech is going to be in the 270-285 range thing year, as opposed to Worthy's 310 last season.

    Remember, heights/weights are far from the whole story, so it'll be interesting going forward. What always makes me laugh are when people get taller; S RJ Williamson was listed as 6'2 in HS, then 5'10 on the roster last year, and is now listed at 6'0. Dude must be gumby or something.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    panicpanicpanic is not really a base defense wink_msu

    I don't know if it is "too soon" for us to all laugh together at the Michigan RichRod defenses.biggrin

    Peterklima

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Here's MSU's spring roster

    http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/msu/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/SpringRoster2012.pdf

    Couple of notables:

    Denicos Allen is huge at 5'11 232. I hope he can move.

    Lawrence Thomas had better get his weight under control, or play DT. He's listed at 6'3 280.

    Max Bullough looks like your prototype Big 10 MIKE: 6'3 252.

    Nick Hill is a freaking bowling ball at 5'8 190 lol.

    Joel Heath is looking to take over for Gholston whenever he leaves: 6'6 277.

    Going to be very interesting going forward. The OTs got huge: the smallest is Fonoti at 6'4 300. France is 6'5 316, Burkland 6'7 315, Conway 6'6 325 (!?), Dennis is 6'6 309. Those are border-line Wisconsin-sized guys (whether they have the same ability remains to be seen). Interior OL are smaller, most in the high 290s.

    NT has a 3 possible 320 pounders in White, Reynolds and RS FR Ramondo. I assume only White and Reynolds have that as "good" weight. 3-tech is going to be in the 270-285 range thing year, as opposed to Worthy's 310 last season.

    Remember, heights/weights are far from the whole story, so it'll be interesting going forward. What always makes me laugh are when people get taller; S RJ Williamson was listed as 6'2 in HS, then 5'10 on the roster last year, and is now listed at 6'0. Dude must be gumby or something.

    Looks like Thomas is headed for the line. His story might end up being similar to Brandon Graham. Graham came in to school at 6 foot plus and 250 lbs. Evryone predicted more weight gain and a move to the line. It happened and it worked out well for UM. But, I still don't think he was as big as Thomas is reported to be. There is slim to no chance that Thomas remains at LB.

    This post was edited by Peterklima on 3/27/2012 at 11:42 AM

    Peterklima

  • Question for MSU fans. Whatever happened with that huge Australian guy that dantonio was looking at?

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    Ducksworth

  • Peterklima said...

    Looks like Thomas is headed for the line. His story might end up being similar to Brandon Graham. Graham came in to school at 6 foot plus and 250 lbs. Evryone predicted more weight gain and a move to the line. It happened and it worked out well for UM. But, I still don't think he was as big as Thomas is reported to be. There is slim to no chance that Thomas remains at LB.

    Will be interesting to see. He's his biggest proponent at LB, but if he doesn't get back to the 250-260 range (at the biggest), then LB is not at all likely. 245'ish is his ideal LB weight I think I remember hearing (correct me if I'm wrong Rocky).
    Another thing to consider is MSU's plethora of talent at LB. With other high upside LB's considering or testing position changes, it is a position that might have the highest likelihood of players changing positions...

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  • Jandy said...

    Will be interesting to see. He's his biggest proponent at LB, but if he doesn't get back to the 250-260 range (at the biggest), then LB is not at all likely. 245'ish is his ideal LB weight I think I remember hearing (correct me if I'm wrong Rocky). Another thing to consider is MSU's plethora of talent at LB. With other high upside LB's considering or testing position changes, it is a position that might have the highest likelihood of players changing positions...

    Yea, they wanted him under 250, but he could play LB at or around that weight (given that Bullough is currently 252).

    280 is huge. The biggest LB I can recall was one of the South Carolina LBs a few years ago who played at around 6'2 274. He got drafted, but that's enormous.

    Remember, he's had shoulder issues, so he may not be working out at the level he needs to. Still, he should be able to run, right?

    We'll see how the roster looks this fall.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Ducksworth said...

    Question for MSU fans. Whatever happened with that huge Australian guy that dantonio was looking at?

    Haven't heard anything in awhile. Last I knew, he was a candidate to walk-on in the fall, but had to get accepted and some other NCAA things in order first.
    I think they wanted him to lose some weight too, but I'm kinda hazy on it...

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  • Ducksworth said...

    Question for MSU fans. Whatever happened with that huge Australian guy that dantonio was looking at?

    Not a clue and not something the team is currently counting on.

    Interesting to see a pair of RS FR as the back-up DEs (Heath and Calhoun), when both back-up DEs from '11 are returning. That's still a very young unit, with Gholston the only JR or older in the 2-deep (SR Corey Freeman is 3rd string). Denzel Drone moved to TE.

    I'm sure this will change from week to week.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Yea, they wanted him under 250, but he could play LB at or around that weight (given that Bullough is currently 252).

    280 is huge. The biggest LB I can recall was one of the South Carolina LBs a few years ago who played at around 6'2 274. He got drafted, but that's enormous.

    Remember, he's had shoulder issues, so he may not be working out at the level he needs to. Still, he should be able to run, right?

    We'll see how the roster looks this fall.

    Similar things were said about graham. Both were very highly rated recruits who had a lot of speed for their size.

    And, if I am reading your post right that the coaches wanted him under 250 and he is at 280....well, that makes me think that him playing (and having an impact) is not very likely at ANY spot. Coaches don't set unrealistic goals and people who blow up the coaches goals like that rarely see the field (maybe at the end of the year?). And, if they thought he could be 250, then the extra thirty pounds probably is not all good weight.

    Peterklima

  • Peterklima said...

    Similar things were said about graham. Both were very highly rated recruits who had a lot of speed for their size.

    And, if I am reading your post right that the coaches wanted him under 250 and he is at 280....well, that makes me think that him playing (and having an impact) is not very likely at ANY spot. Coaches don't set unrealistic goals and people who blow up the coaches goals like that rarely see the field (maybe at the end of the year?). And, if they thought he could be 250, then the extra thirty pounds probably is not all good weight.

    Right now he's out for spring with a shoulder injury, so we won't know till fall. I'll let you know if I hear differently.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Right now he's out for spring with a shoulder injury, so we won't know till fall. I'll let you know if I hear differently.

    How bad are the chicken littles in a panic over this? lol

    Nice to have football back, isn't it. Little over 2 weeks away and I will be at the Big House with my family watching some football.

    Can't Wait!

    xxmgobluexx