The Blue Board

Hey, what do you know. More inaccurate information from OTPT.

I thought you said you were busy.

Never too busy to get a rise out of you guys lol

And no one expects Michigan fans to admit having equal teams with MSU, we will just have to see. Putting a lot of stock in recruiting rankings.

This seems to be somewhat of a strawman that MSU fans are using- it is not just recruiting rankings- it is Michigan landing players with very good offer lists, including many prospects with very early MSU offers. The only 4 star commitment Michigan has without a good to great offer list is Jourdan Lewis.

Not to this extent, in my opinion. Certainly not in the later RR classes.

I know 50-50 means a 5-5 record over the next decade, but I more mean that it won't be a huge margin one way or the other. Definitely could be 6-4 one way, or maybe even 7-3, though I think that's the tipping point.

I do agree with you that the margin for error is small the better each team gets. I was very wrong and extremely impressed by the job your coaching staff did last year.

I also think MSU has a real opportunity to make some hay in the next few years, and quite frankly, has to take advantage of it. The '12 team boasts some of the highest rated talent MSU has put out in a long time, but a tough schedule. The real challenge is to win 8-10 games this year, and parlay that into a strong '13. In '13, tOSU and WI drop-off the schedule for IL and Purdue; even if those squads improve, they aren't as good as tOSU or WI. In short, the '13 schedule sets up very well for a run (plus UM is @Spartan Stadium).

The big picture is that MSU needs to recruit better if they're going to be a perennial contender. If they want to contend for the division every 3-4 years, they can do so with their current recruiting. To really make that leap, the top 35 classes need to turn into top 25 or 20 classes. The only way I can see to do that is to win and keep winning. If MSU can get double digit W's in '12 (including a bowl W) and again in '13, I think that will help recruiting immensely.

State doesn't have the tradition of UM or ND, essentially the only 2 schools that are not situated in a recruiting hotbed state that recruit extremely well. Those 2 schools also happen to be the 2 winningest programs in CFB history. It's not rocket science to figure out that winning is just about everything. Too many MSU fans look at 2 very good years and are baffled why highly regarded recruits aren't lining up at the door. It's pretty simple: 2 years doesn't make tradition. Really, MSU needs at least a decade of consistent winning to begin to build a tradition and a name, though getting to a BCS bowl (especially the Rose) in the next few years would greatly help their cause.

Look at how Carr and RichRod did in head to head recruiting battles with Tressel for the best HS talent in the midwest (Ohio kids). Michigan wasn't previously pulling a lot of kids with OSU offers. And, during the Carr era they weren't pulling many with the "top offer of the day" (USC) at least not to the level Hoke is pulling kids with the "top offer of the day" now (Bama).

No chance we will a Natty with Devin.

Shane's JR. or RS Soph year we will have a very good team though.

I just don't think we will have the team to support him.

Our teams are going to be very young the next couple of years. Need experience to win a Natty, we won't have that in Devin's time here IMO.

At least you're being reasonable.

I was rudely interrupted by work.

If Toussaint has a big year this year he gone.

From what I recall he has a young son, and his family is not well off. He needs the money.