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ErnieMcCracken said...
I did not see a single ND poster in this thread and these guys have a board here. Star posts here all the time so if that poster cannot even participate in this thread then that tells you all you need to know.
This post was edited by steveschneider on 9/12/2011 at 11:08 AM
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SpartanRocky said...
I expect ND to come out like gangbusters in the first Q. If MSU can weather the storm, I like the Spartan's chances. If MSU is down 21-0 or something ridiculous like that after 1 . . . .
Though the ND - UM game was exciting, there was some very sloppy football being played on both sides of the ball for both teams. I don't know how good MSU is right now, except I know they don't suck. That's just about all playing an FCS and a low-level Sun Belt team can tell you. MSU played like a good team should play . . . but all that gets the Spartans is a chance to prove their worth against ND.
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WingedHelmet said...
I'm not a Spartan fan, but there is zero chance ND beats MSU this weekend. Zero. If ND had trouble with UofM's passing game, MSU is going to carve them up. Additionally, excluding DRob, MSU has a much better running game than UofM right now. The only chance ND has is to win is if MSU beats itself with a bunch of stupid turnovers because otherwise ND is not going to be able to stop MSU from scoring.
That means, after this weekend, ND will have three losses with reasonably tough games remaining against Stanford, USC, Maryland, Pitt, Navy and Air Force. The only cupcakes left on their schedule will be Wake Forest, Purdue and BC, and two of those games are on the road. Notre Dame will be extremely lucky to go 8-4 this year and is more likely to come in at 7-5 or 6-6. It is going to be a major let down for Irish fans considering all the hype the program had at the beginning of the season.
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WingedHelmet said...
It's not even necessary to look at MSU's first two games. Just look at your personnel. Kirk Cousins is one of the best (very good accuracy and decision making) QB's in the country. You have three very good WRs. You have two or three very good RBs. Your offense is better than either South Florida's or UofM's. And, while South Florida's defense is good, UofM's was awful for much of the game this past Saturday. We stepped it up in some key situations, especially in the 4th quarter, but it's hard to believe MSU's defense will be materially worse.
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I'm not a Spartan fan, but there is zero chance ND beats MSU this weekend. Zero. If ND had trouble with UofM's passing game, MSU is going to carve them up. Additionally, excluding DRob, MSU has a much better running game than UofM right now. The only chance ND has is if MSU beats itself with a bunch of stupid turnovers because otherwise ND is not going to be able to stop MSU from scoring.
That means, after this weekend, ND will have three losses with reasonably tough games remaining against Stanford, USC, Maryland, Pitt, Navy and Air Force. The only cupcakes left on their schedule will be Wake Forest, Purdue and BC, and two of those games are on the road. Notre Dame will be extremely lucky to go 8-4 this year and is more likely to come in at 7-5 or 6-6. It is going to be a major let down for Irish fans considering all the hype the program had at the beginning of the season.
This post was edited by xxmgobluexx on 9/12/2011 at 2:07 PM
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It's not even necessary to look at MSU's first two games. Just look at your personnel. Kirk Cousins is one of the best (very good accuracy and decision making) QB's in the country. You have three very good WRs. You have two or three very good RBs. Your offense is better than either South Florida's or UofM's. And, while South Florida's defense is good, UofM's was awful for much of the game this past Saturday. We stepped it up in some key situations, especially in the 4th quarter, but it's hard to believe MSU's defense will be materially worse.
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WingedHelmet said...
As far as the scoreboard is concerned, a bad team and a sloppy team are the same. Either you put up more points than the other team or you don't. Whether you fail to score because you are not particularly athletic or are poorly coached or are just "sloppy" doesn't make any difference. You still fail to score. The same applies to defense. If ND is "sloppy" this Saturday on defense, Kirk Cousins and MSU's WRs are going to carve them up.
This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 9/12/2011 at 2:51 PM
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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As far as the scoreboard is concerned, a bad team and a sloppy team are the same. Either you put up more points than the other team or you don't. Whether you fail to score because you are not particularly athletic or are poorly coached or are just "sloppy" doesn't make any difference. You still fail to score. The same applies to defense. If ND is "sloppy" this Saturday on defense, Kirk Cousins and MSU's WRs are going to carve them up.
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Harry Callahan said...
My main concern is that ND has been able to move the ball in both their games. If they didn't have bone headed turnovers, they would likely be 2-0. I assume by game 3 they won't be turning the ball over 5 times a game. They are backed up into a corner. We'll see how they respond.
I still can't believe just how many times ND has pooped themselves this year and it's only been 2 weeks of games. What is up with that Rees kid? He looks great at times and then just drops the ball in a dry environment. He'll make the stupidest plays and just F it up. I don't get it.
I still think we win. ND has a lot of problems that come down to fundamentals like tucking the ball away, stupid penalties, and lack of awareness on the field. It could be a long year for the Irish.
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