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The Official Michigan State vs. Notre Dame Thread

  • steveschneider said...

    How'd you get banned?

    Long story that involved alcohol (as I remember it)

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    Snake Plissken

  • Snake Plissken said...

    Long story that involved alcohol (as I remember it)

    No alcohol, but it did involve a word that isn't allowed at trcmb.

    xxmgobluexx

  • People really aren't understanding the magnitude of MSU's defensive performance Saturday. No matter how bad the opponent is you never see a team only get 1 first down and 48 yards. I mean the next best defensive performance that day was by FSU and they gave up 3 first downs and 80 something yards to an FCS team. So, though it was FAU you still can't just throw it off as playing a bad opponent.

    Sp4rt4ns

  • I did not see a single ND poster in this thread and these guys have a board here. Star posts here all the time so if that poster cannot even participate in this thread then that tells you all you need to know.

    ErnieMcCracken

  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    I did not see a single ND poster in this thread and these guys have a board here. Star posts here all the time so if that poster cannot even participate in this thread then that tells you all you need to know.

    I don't know about other ND poster, but Star said he was going to take a couple of days off after losing Saturday.

    xxmgobluexx

  • I expect ND to come out like gangbusters in the first Q. If MSU can weather the storm, I like the Spartan's chances. If MSU is down 21-0 or something ridiculous like that after 1 . . . .

    Though the ND - UM game was exciting, there was some very sloppy football being played on both sides of the ball for both teams. I don't know how good MSU is right now, except I know they don't suck. That's just about all playing an FCS and a low-level Sun Belt team can tell you. MSU played like a good team should play . . . but all that gets the Spartans is a chance to prove their worth against ND.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    I did not see a single ND poster in this thread and these guys have a board here. Star posts here all the time so if that poster cannot even participate in this thread then that tells you all you need to know.

    There season hasn't even become irrelevant yet. Couldn't a 10-2 record still get them into a BCS Bowl game?

    This post was edited by steveschneider on 9/12/2011 at 11:08 AM

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  • steveschneider said...

    There season hasn't even become irrelevant yet. Couldn't a 10-2 record still get them into a BCS Bowl game?

    Hi Coach Holtz.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Hi Coach Holtz.

    No joke. ND may beat MSU, but they are not going to a BCS bowl this year. At the very least Stanford will beat them, and maybe Maryland. Pitt looks dysfunctional, as does Purdue.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • steveschneider said...

    There season hasn't even become irrelevant yet. Couldn't a 10-2 record still get them into a BCS Bowl game?

    I'm not a Spartan fan, but there is zero chance ND beats MSU this weekend. Zero. If ND had trouble with UofM's passing game, MSU is going to carve them up. Additionally, excluding DRob, MSU has a much better running game than UofM right now. The only chance ND has is if MSU beats itself with a bunch of stupid turnovers because otherwise ND is not going to be able to stop MSU from scoring.

    That means, after this weekend, ND will have three losses with reasonably tough games remaining against Stanford, USC, Maryland, Pitt, Navy and Air Force. The only cupcakes left on their schedule will be Wake Forest, Purdue and BC, and two of those games are on the road. Notre Dame will be extremely lucky to go 8-4 this year and is more likely to come in at 7-5 or 6-6. It is going to be a major let down for Irish fans considering all the hype the program had at the beginning of the season.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by WingedHelmet on 9/12/2011 at 1:27 PM

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    I expect ND to come out like gangbusters in the first Q. If MSU can weather the storm, I like the Spartan's chances. If MSU is down 21-0 or something ridiculous like that after 1 . . . .

    Though the ND - UM game was exciting, there was some very sloppy football being played on both sides of the ball for both teams. I don't know how good MSU is right now, except I know they don't suck. That's just about all playing an FCS and a low-level Sun Belt team can tell you. MSU played like a good team should play . . . but all that gets the Spartans is a chance to prove their worth against ND.

    It's not even necessary to look at MSU's first two games. Just look at your personnel. Kirk Cousins is one of the best (very good accuracy and decision making) QB's in the country. You have three very good WRs. You have two or three very good RBs. Your offense is better than either South Florida's or UofM's. And, while South Florida's defense is good, UofM's was awful for much of the game this past Saturday. We stepped it up in some key situations, especially in the 4th quarter, but it's hard to believe MSU's defense will be materially worse.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by WingedHelmet on 9/12/2011 at 1:36 PM

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  • WingedHelmet said...

    I'm not a Spartan fan, but there is zero chance ND beats MSU this weekend. Zero. If ND had trouble with UofM's passing game, MSU is going to carve them up. Additionally, excluding DRob, MSU has a much better running game than UofM right now. The only chance ND has is to win is if MSU beats itself with a bunch of stupid turnovers because otherwise ND is not going to be able to stop MSU from scoring.

    That means, after this weekend, ND will have three losses with reasonably tough games remaining against Stanford, USC, Maryland, Pitt, Navy and Air Force. The only cupcakes left on their schedule will be Wake Forest, Purdue and BC, and two of those games are on the road. Notre Dame will be extremely lucky to go 8-4 this year and is more likely to come in at 7-5 or 6-6. It is going to be a major let down for Irish fans considering all the hype the program had at the beginning of the season.

    Not true it at all. While I do think MSU will win, giving ND a 0 percent chance is stupid. ND isn't a bad team, they just get too sloppy.

    bb011

  • WingedHelmet said...

    It's not even necessary to look at MSU's first two games. Just look at your personnel. Kirk Cousins is one of the best (very good accuracy and decision making) QB's in the country. You have three very good WRs. You have two or three very good RBs. Your offense is better than either South Florida's or UofM's. And, while South Florida's defense is good, UofM's was awful for much of the game this past Saturday. We stepped it up in some key situations, especially in the 4th quarter, but it's hard to believe MSU's defense will be materially worse.

    Both Spartanrocky and Jack Ebling on our board, two guy's who's football knowledge I respect anticipate it's going to be a super close affair.

    Jack says he had it as his 2nd toughest game for MSU to win preseason, and he hasn't seen anything to change his mind.

    I personally am standing by my analysis that I had last week for the UofM game. I've seen nothing out of Brian Kelly at ND that has told me he can win a game like this. I think there's a reason why he had to pull his QB after the 2nd Quarter, I think there's a reason why his DB was getting torched, I think there's a reason why he was caught completely off guard during little giants and then chewed out his coordinator...the guy loves to blow up at others and hold them accountable, but pretty soon he'll have to be held accountable for the poor play.

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  • WingedHelmet said...

    I'm not a Spartan fan, but there is zero chance ND beats MSU this weekend. Zero. If ND had trouble with UofM's passing game, MSU is going to carve them up. Additionally, excluding DRob, MSU has a much better running game than UofM right now. The only chance ND has is if MSU beats itself with a bunch of stupid turnovers because otherwise ND is not going to be able to stop MSU from scoring.

    That means, after this weekend, ND will have three losses with reasonably tough games remaining against Stanford, USC, Maryland, Pitt, Navy and Air Force. The only cupcakes left on their schedule will be Wake Forest, Purdue and BC, and two of those games are on the road. Notre Dame will be extremely lucky to go 8-4 this year and is more likely to come in at 7-5 or 6-6. It is going to be a major let down for Irish fans considering all the hype the program had at the beginning of the season.

    I hate ND football more than any team in any sport, but to say that a team with top 10-20 talent has zero chance of winning is just plain dumb.

    This post was edited by xxmgobluexx on 9/12/2011 at 2:07 PM

    xxmgobluexx

  • WingedHelmet said...

    It's not even necessary to look at MSU's first two games. Just look at your personnel. Kirk Cousins is one of the best (very good accuracy and decision making) QB's in the country. You have three very good WRs. You have two or three very good RBs. Your offense is better than either South Florida's or UofM's. And, while South Florida's defense is good, UofM's was awful for much of the game this past Saturday. We stepped it up in some key situations, especially in the 4th quarter, but it's hard to believe MSU's defense will be materially worse.

    Having a good QB, good RBs, good WRs don't mean sh!t if there are no holes and no time to pass. Michigan's Oline is tons better that States, and they had a hard a time opening holes against NDs front 7.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    I hate ND football more than any team in any sport, but to say that a team with top 10-20 talent has zero chance of winning is just plan dumb.

    Saying ND has top 10-20 talent is just plain dumb. I watched them all last year. I watched them against South Florida. And I was at the game on Saturday. I don't know what that is, but it's not top 10-20 talent.

    WingedHelmet

  • bb011 said...

    Not true it at all. While I do think MSU will win, giving ND a 0 percent chance is stupid. ND isn't a bad team, they just get too sloppy.

    As far as the scoreboard is concerned, a bad team and a sloppy team are the same. Either you put up more points than the other team or you don't. Whether you fail to score because you are not particularly athletic or are poorly coached or are just "sloppy" doesn't make any difference. You still fail to score. The same applies to defense. If ND is "sloppy" this Saturday on defense, Kirk Cousins and MSU's WRs are going to carve them up.

    This post was edited by WingedHelmet on 9/12/2011 at 2:14 PM

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  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    I did not see a single ND poster in this thread and these guys have a board here. Star posts here all the time so if that poster cannot even participate in this thread then that tells you all you need to know.

    You rang, sorry I had to step away from things after another disaster. Will be back later, then we can discuss the upcoming game and the debacle that was Michigan.

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  • WingedHelmet said...

    Saying ND has top 10-20 talent is just plain dumb. I watched them all last year. I watched them against South Florida. And I was at the game on Saturday. I don't know what that is, but it's not top 10-20 talent.

    0 chance then, got it.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    0 chance then, got it.

    It's called a figure of speech. Or hyperbole. The point is that I think that MSU is very likely to win the game. Of course it's not literally zero. Don't be an idiot.

    WingedHelmet

  • WingedHelmet said...

    It's called a figure of speech. Or hyperbole. The point is that I think that MSU is very likely to win the game. Of course it's not literally zero. Don't be an idiot.

    My bad, 0 doesn't = 0.

    Whatever, I want ND to lose anyway.

    xxmgobluexx

  • WingedHelmet said...

    As far as the scoreboard is concerned, a bad team and a sloppy team are the same. Either you put up more points than the other team or you don't. Whether you fail to score because you are not particularly athletic or are poorly coached or are just "sloppy" doesn't make any difference. You still fail to score. The same applies to defense. If ND is "sloppy" this Saturday on defense, Kirk Cousins and MSU's WRs are going to carve them up.

    The issue is that outside of TOs, ND has looked pretty good, 4th Q against UM aside. It's not as though their 500 yards of O was based on a few fluke plays; ND can move the ball down the field effectively.

    Right now, ND is on pace for 60 TOs, 1 shy of the NCAA single season record. It's hard to imagine them staying on that pace. So the question is whether they're going to do more of the same against MSU, or if they're going to be more disciplined. I lean towards the latter.

    That's not to say that MSU needs 5 ND TOs to win; as you pointed out, MSU is probably an overall stronger team than either USF or UM. That is NOT to take anything away from UM; that's the way the ball bounces and UM capitalized. Hats off to you.

    I do expect a very competitive game on Saturday between MSU and ND. ND has to win to have a chance at a BCS game and it's the Spartan's first road game as well as the first game against a BCS conf. type opponent. Though I love Cousins and have a lot of faith in a 5th year SR QB on the road, the Spartans need to prove they can win a tough road game.

    I do agree that if ND is as sloppy against MSU as they were against UM/USF, MSU should win and win big. I'm just assuming that they won't be that sloppy.

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 9/12/2011 at 2:51 PM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • WingedHelmet said...

    As far as the scoreboard is concerned, a bad team and a sloppy team are the same. Either you put up more points than the other team or you don't. Whether you fail to score because you are not particularly athletic or are poorly coached or are just "sloppy" doesn't make any difference. You still fail to score. The same applies to defense. If ND is "sloppy" this Saturday on defense, Kirk Cousins and MSU's WRs are going to carve them up.

    Not true at all. The turnovers that they have given up the first 2 games can be correctable. That is totally different than not having the talent at QB,rb, Oline to be able to move the ball. Not having the talent is much more worrisome since that isn't something that can just change.

    bb011

  • My main concern is that ND has been able to move the ball in both their games. If they didn't have bone headed turnovers, they would likely be 2-0. I assume by game 3 they won't be turning the ball over 5 times a game. They are backed up into a corner. We'll see how they respond.

    I still can't believe just how many times ND has pooped themselves this year and it's only been 2 weeks of games. What is up with that Rees kid? He looks great at times and then just drops the ball in a dry environment. He'll make the stupidest plays and just F it up. I don't get it.

    I still think we win. ND has a lot of problems that come down to fundamentals like tucking the ball away, stupid penalties, and lack of awareness on the field. It could be a long year for the Irish.

    Harry Callahan

  • Harry Callahan said...

    My main concern is that ND has been able to move the ball in both their games. If they didn't have bone headed turnovers, they would likely be 2-0. I assume by game 3 they won't be turning the ball over 5 times a game. They are backed up into a corner. We'll see how they respond.

    I still can't believe just how many times ND has pooped themselves this year and it's only been 2 weeks of games. What is up with that Rees kid? He looks great at times and then just drops the ball in a dry environment. He'll make the stupidest plays and just F it up. I don't get it.

    I still think we win. ND has a lot of problems that come down to fundamentals like tucking the ball away, stupid penalties, and lack of awareness on the field. It could be a long year for the Irish.

    Not to mention we always play them well. We've won 8 out of the last 10 there. They can clean up their turnover problem and I still believe that we are going to give them a run for their money.

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