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The Official UVa-VT Rivalry Thread (as discussed on both boards)

  • Hokie5284 said...

    Alright guys, with the football season over for both programs, and the year 2 days from being over, I decided to go back 9 years (since VT joined the ACC) and compare some stats, simply out of boredom. The last 9 years go as follows.

    VT

    Record- 91-30
    ACC Record-60-17 (3-2 in ACCCG)
    ACC Coastal Record- 38-7
    ACC Titles-4
    ACC Coastal Titles-6
    Bowl Appearances-9
    Bowl Wins-4 (Gator, Orange, CFA, Russell Athletic)
    Bowl Losses-5 (Orange, Orange, Sugar, Sugar, CFA)
    BCS Bowl Appearances-5
    BCS Bowl Wins-1
    Wins over ranked opponents-21
    Top 21-25 ranked teams-5
    Top 11-20 ranked teams-12
    Top 1-10 ranked teams-4
    Record vs UVA 9-0
    Cumulative Score vs UVA- 277-93

    UVA

    Record- 53-55
    ACC Record- 31-41
    ACC Coastal Record- 20-25 (UVA is 5-4 vs UNC, GT, Miami, Duke in the Coastal)
    ACC Titles-0
    ACC Coastal Titles-0
    Bowl Appearances- 4
    Bowl Wins- 1 (Musc City)
    Bowl Losses- 3 (CFA, Gator, MPC Computers)
    BCS Bowl Appearances-0
    BCS Bowl Wins-0
    Wins over ranked opponents-
    Wins over top 21-25-
    Wins over top 11-20
    Wins over top 1-10-
    Record vs VT- 0-9
    Cumulative score vs VT- 93-277

    Freaking double posts.

    This post was edited by JoeHoo on 12/29/2012 at 8:25 AM

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  • Well it sounds like you guys got a good one in that motuapuaka kid. I've liked the reviews on him since I first read about him

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  • webbi said...

    I hope you all hire pep.. not a big fan of his at all going back to his Chicago bears days..

    You mean when he was the QB coach? During which he had Rex Grossman, Brian Griese, and Kyle Orton as his options to work with? Id say thats pretty hard to like or dislike, although Rex did get the Bears to the Super Bowl under Pep.

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  • HOOSINSC said...

    Well it sounds like you guys got a good one in that motuapuaka kid. I've liked the reviews on him since I first read about him

    Thanks, I hope so. The thing about these All Star games, when they arent going to the AAA or UA game, theyre not playing the highest caliber competition. So kids that could be tweeners at the next level, can really shine.

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  • Hokie5284 said...

    Thanks, I hope so. The thing about these All Star games, when they arent going to the AAA or UA game, theyre not playing the highest caliber competition. So kids that could be tweeners at the next level, can really shine.

    There is a lot of damn talent at the Chesapeake bowl. Gotta be one of the better regional hs all star games. I'm always a sucker for recruits with the high effort label.

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  • webbi said...

    I hope you all hire pep.. not a big fan of his at all going back to his Chicago bears days..

    So do I. He could do cartwheels and run circles around anyone on our offensive staff right now. I'd be beyond ecstatic if it were to happen.

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  • HOOSINSC said...

    There is a lot of damn talent at the Chesapeake bowl. Gotta be one of the better regional hs all star games. I'm always a sucker for recruits with the high effort label.

    I agree, this game has some very good talent, and I'd much rather have my guy shine than not....but it's also true that top rated national talent is at other games.

    Stanford has exactly the O I'd like us to run, and anything new will be a huge improvement. Just having a thought process and plan is an improvement.

    HNB

  • how good of a recruiter is Hamilton? isn't he the VA recruiter for Stanford, who has overachieved in pillaging VA

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  • Hokie5284 said...

    I don't think this year showed that we can both have good classes by keeping the top talent in state, as neither of us kept the top talent. Nor have we ever done that. If both of us combined to take 8 of the top 10 and 15 or so of the top 20 yearly, then I would agree, both teams could manage, but neither would ever be elite.

    I honestly don't think recruiting matters at all for UVA, you've got some talented kids, on te roster and on the way. Your coaching is flat out horrible though. I really don't know that London can pose a legit threat on the field.

    I want to see London with his own players first, 2013 will be when his first real class will still only be redshirt soph and juniors
    But I can certainly see where you are coming from

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  • UVAgodfather said...

    how good of a recruiter is Hamilton? isn't he the VA recruiter for Stanford, who has overachieved in pillaging VA

    Pretty sad that a school from 2500 miles away in palo alto, ca is a better option for the elite STUDENT athletes in the DMV

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  • HOOSINSC said...

    Pretty sad that a school from 2500 miles away in palo alto, ca is a better option for the elite STUDENT athletes in the DMV

    Can you make a case for a better school though, for true student athletes? Education, weather, and a very good football program? There isnt a better combo in the country imo.

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  • Hokie5284 said...

    Can you make a case for a better school though, for true student athletes? Education, weather, and a very good football program? There isnt a better combo in the country imo.

    Not using that as the criteria. I understand Stanford's draw and totally respect kids that can go and make it as student athletes. But uva has top level academics, at least the ability to compete at high level athletically(humor me here) and we are in a favorable location. Seeing high level talent from our region that you know won't have trouble fitting into the UVA culture is frustrating. I mean there are so few kids that really fit the school, losing/not being an option for an Alex Carter or Ed Reynolds is a real kick in the nuts.

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  • Mainly I'm complaining that despite our advantages UVA hasn't built the same kind of reputation. It's not like Stanford has always been where they are at now or has a fanbase that is really interested in football success. We also don't know if coach shaw can keep this up since he is still working off the leftovers and hype from harbaugh.

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  • HOOSINSC said...

    Not using that as the criteria. I understand Stanford's draw and totally respect kids that can go and make it as student athletes. But uva has top level academics, at least the ability to compete at high level athletically(humor me here) and we are in a favorable location. Seeing high level talent from our region that you know won't have trouble fitting into the UVA culture is frustrating. I mean there are so few kids that really fit the school, losing/not being an option for an Alex Carter or Ed Reynolds is a real kick in the nuts.

    I get what you're saying, and y'all are definitely very close with them academically.

    Alex Carter is a beast as well, really wish we would've had a shot with him.

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  • HOOSINSC said...

    Not using that as the criteria. I understand Stanford's draw and totally respect kids that can go and make it as student athletes. But uva has top level academics, at least the ability to compete at high level athletically(humor me here) and we are in a favorable location. Seeing high level talent from our region that you know won't have trouble fitting into the UVA culture is frustrating. I mean there are so few kids that really fit the school, losing/not being an option for an Alex Carter or Ed Reynolds is a real kick in the nuts.

    Al groh is the reason we dont have reynolds

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  • webbi said...

    Al groh is the reason we dont have reynolds

    George Bush is at fault imo.

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  • Hokie5284 said...

    I don't think this year showed that we can both have good classes by keeping the top talent in state, as neither of us kept the top talent. Nor have we ever done that. If both of us combined to take 8 of the top 10 and 15 or so of the top 20 yearly, then I would agree, both teams could manage, but neither would ever be elite.

    I honestly don't think recruiting matters at all for UVA, you've got some talented kids, on te roster and on the way. Your coaching is flat out horrible though. I really don't know that London can pose a legit threat on the field.

    You said, " I honestly don't think recruiting matters at all for UVA". Really? It does not matter? Great insight from an expert like you is always a valued commody...

    raleighoo

  • VasFinest154919 said...

    I know money isn't an issue for UVA, but they will not put forth the dough to keep Bennett if a bball powerhouse came into play. For one Littlepage wouldn't even know where to begin with such negotiations.

    And you love Jimmy Weaver do you not?

    raleighoo

  • raleighoo said...

    And you love Jimmy Weaver do you not?

    Nope, he doesn't know where to begin when it comes to innovation. He knows how to keep the Athletic Department in the black but he struggles in a lot of key areas.

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  • VasFinest154919 said...

    Nope, he doesn't know where to begin when it comes to innovation. He knows how to keep the Athletic Department in the black but he struggles in a lot of key areas.

    Honestly keeping one in the black is quite a feat.

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  • raleighoo said...

    You said, " I honestly don't think recruiting matters at all for UVA". Really? It does not matter? Great insight from an expert like you is always a valued commody...

    I believe his joke was that London is so bad we could have a roster full of prep all Americans and we would still be screwed. I don't agree we'd be as bad as we are now, but I do agree London showed as much coaching ability as a pile of doo doo a few times this year.

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  • raleighoo said...

    You said, " I honestly don't think recruiting matters at all for UVA". Really? It does not matter? Great insight from an expert like you is always a valued commody...

    You're an idiot. The point is, your talent level doesn't matter, because your staff cannot coach up kids, not manage a game. So you will be awful to mediocre with your staff, whether you land 2 4*s or 8 4*s

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  • Hokie5284 said...

    You're an idiot. The point is, your talent level doesn't matter, because your staff cannot coach up kids, not manage a game. So you will be awful to mediocre with your staff, whether you land 2 4*s or 8 4*s

    "Talent level doesn't matter" . You are proving yourself to be a regular Einstein. Come on, give us more of your expert insight. This is entertaining....

    raleighoo

  • Hokie5284 said...

    Alright guys, with the football season over for both programs, and the year 2 days from being over, I decided to go back 9 years (since VT joined the ACC) and compare some stats, simply out of boredom. The last 9 years go as follows.

    VT

    Record- 91-30
    ACC Record-60-17 (3-2 in ACCCG)
    ACC Coastal Record- 38-7
    ACC Titles-4
    ACC Coastal Titles-6
    Bowl Appearances-9
    Bowl Wins-4 (Gator, Orange, CFA, Russell Athletic)
    Bowl Losses-5 (Orange, Orange, Sugar, Sugar, CFA)
    BCS Bowl Appearances-5
    BCS Bowl Wins-1
    Wins over ranked opponents-21
    Top 21-25 ranked teams-5
    Top 11-20 ranked teams-12
    Top 1-10 ranked teams-4
    Record vs UVA 9-0
    Cumulative Score vs UVA- 277-93

    UVA

    Record- 53-55
    ACC Record- 31-41
    ACC Coastal Record- 20-25 (UVA is 5-4 vs UNC, GT, Miami, Duke in the Coastal)
    ACC Titles-0
    ACC Coastal Titles-0
    Bowl Appearances- 4
    Bowl Wins- 1 (Musc City)
    Bowl Losses- 3 (CFA, Gator, MPC Computers)
    BCS Bowl Appearances-0
    BCS Bowl Wins-0
    Wins over ranked opponents-
    Wins over top 21-25- NA, Virginiasports.com didnt list teams rankings
    Wins over top 11-20- NA
    Wins over top 1-10- NA
    Record vs VT- 0-9
    Cumulative score vs VT- 93-277

    Hey, stat guy.... you left one statistic out. RECORD VS 1-5. You got that one handy?

    raleighoo

  • HOOSINSC said...

    I believe his joke was that London is so bad we could have a roster full of prep all Americans and we would still be screwed. I don't agree we'd be as bad as we are now, but I do agree London showed as much coaching ability as a pile of doo doo a few times this year.

    Well then; let's ask hokie guy another question. In his analytical mind, what was the difference between last years 4-8 UVA team and the prior years bowl eligible team. Was it coaching, talent, or luck? Let's all remember before he answers that "talent dosnt matter" and London can't coach according to him. So what will his answer be... hmmm

    raleighoo

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