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The Official UVa-VT Rivalry Thread (as discussed on both boards)

  • HNB said...

    1. This is the ACC, 10 wins is always a strong possibility for VT, as has been proven 2. Those old farts didn't make changes until way too late, while everyone w a TV knew VTs O was awful, we kept winning. These changes can't make our O worse, and we will have a top 15 D for many years to come. If the O becomes just average or just above average, we win a S to of games.

    Pep is a good recruiter, comes from a hell of a program, and runs an O that would work very well w our D....and losing the OC, OLC, QBC we had is a huge addition by subtraction.

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    Who is Pep? The OC for Stanford? Do you guys think he would leave Stanford to come to VT? If it were known by other programs that he was willing to leave your going to have some stiff competition for him. I don't know why the guy would leave a program that's been in a BCS bowl the past 3 years. What's he getting paid in Stanford?

    This post was edited by PlayaHtr on 1/2/2013 at 7:26 AM

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  • PlayaHtr said...

    Who is Pep? The OC for Stanford? Do you guys think he would leave Stanford to come to VT? If it were known by other programs that he was willing to leave your going to have some stiff competition for him. I don't know why the guy would leave a program that's been in a BCS bowl the past 3 years. What's he getting paid in Stanford?

    No idea if he will end up at VT, but it is a realistic possibility, and there are many reasons why he would leave stanford and return to the east coast.

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  • VTSmitty said...

    No idea if he will end up at VT, but it is a realistic possibility, and there are many reasons why he would leave stanford and return to the east coast.

    This, and it is known, if we know, so do others. This is a high stake game with agents standing to make big bucks, he's a hot commodity right now and will be able to go many places, if it's VT will be thrilled. If not we'll get someone else, but that someone else will be light years better than what we have had the last decade, and now that it appears that person will be allowed to hire their own O staff I think we can really improve the side of the ball that has held us back.

    If a guy can come to VT and bring a good O and make VT a top 5-10 team, and lets face it with VT's D and being in the ACC, that may not be all that hard....that will get that OC a very very good next job, likely a BCS level HC job.

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  • HNB said...

    This, and it is known, if we know, so do others. This is a high stake game with agents standing to make big bucks, he's a hot commodity right now and will be able to go many places, if it's VT will be thrilled. If not we'll get someone else, but that someone else will be light years better than what we have had the last decade, and now that it appears that person will be allowed to hire their own O staff I think we can really improve the side of the ball that has held us back.

    If a guy can come to VT and bring a good O and make VT a top 5-10 team, and lets face it with VT's D and being in the ACC, that may not be all that hard....that will get that OC a very very good next job, likely a BCS level HC job.

    I can agree with that, I don't think you have the guy on your staff right now to take over for Frank Beamer when he calls it quits. I wonder if the administration or whoever is going to hire this guy look for a guy that seems ungettable now by promising him the HC job when Frank retires, just don't make it public, might be able to hit a homerun with something like that.

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  • HNB said...

    This, and it is known, if we know, so do others. This is a high stake game with agents standing to make big bucks, he's a hot commodity right now and will be able to go many places, if it's VT will be thrilled. If not we'll get someone else, but that someone else will be light years better than what we have had the last decade, and now that it appears that person will be allowed to hire their own O staff I think we can really improve the side of the ball that has held us back.

    If a guy can come to VT and bring a good O and make VT a top 5-10 team, and lets face it with VT's D and being in the ACC, that may not be all that hard....that will get that OC a very very good next job, likely a BCS level HC job.

    A while back I assumed VT would have some changes, wasn't sure of the scope of them. It has become clear that the changes will be significant. Pep would be a change that would get a lot of attention in the college football world.

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  • PlayaHtr said...

    I can agree with that, I don't think you have the guy on your staff right now to take over for Frank Beamer when he calls it quits. I wonder if the administration or whoever is going to hire this guy look for a guy that seems ungettable now by promising him the HC job when Frank retires, just don't make it public, might be able to hit a homerun with something like that.

    I don't know if that is possible with Bud on staff? But I have no idea if he wants the HC job and all that it would entail? I also don't know if Frank is ready to put that out there because if a new guys comes in and is really good he sure as hell might not want to step down, kind of like what happened at Texas w Much.

    I definitely think if someone comes in and does a great job they could earn the job or be in a position to have the in waiting title with a turn over deadline?

    Even with out that I can't think of another program with as nationally known horrible O as VT, so turning VT into a legit O would mean a ton in the college football world and worth a ton of money. Vt has the exposure that can launch someone to a major job if done right, but of course that is a risk too, but worth it IMO to get us a real O.

    HNB

  • PlayaHtr said...

    Who is Pep? The OC for Stanford? Do you guys think he would leave Stanford to come to VT? If it were known by other programs that he was willing to leave your going to have some stiff competition for him. I don't know why the guy would leave a program that's been in a BCS bowl the past 3 years. What's he getting paid in Stanford?

    In terms of pay, Stanford is private so the info is not out there but Stanford is known as a whole for not paying their assistants very well. Couple that with the fact that you are paying to live in Palo Alto and we could offer just a little more than he makes now and it would be a huge difference with the cost of living in the Burg.

    In terms of why he would leave Stanford. He is from Charlotte and went to school at Howard, and I believe his wife is also an east coast person. It would be a chance to move back very close to home and be back where they fit. He also recruits VA/DC area for Stanford, so moving back here would cut back on having to travel across the country multiple times a year to recruit. Instead it is only a couple hours of driving.

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  • Groh just earned some respect from me.. Wish he woul d have said what he really wanted to:

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  • Nomad Chad said...

    Groh just earned some respect from me.. Wish he woul d have said what he really wanted to:

    I think he got his point across rather nicely when it comes to what he thinks about Paul Johnson without going into intimate detail. LOL!! I also think next year will be Paul Johnson's last year at GT too, I've heard the alumni are getting tired of him.

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  • HNB said...

    I don't know if that is possible with Bud on staff? But I have no idea if he wants the HC job and all that it would entail? I also don't know if Frank is ready to put that out there because if a new guys comes in and is really good he sure as hell might not want to step down, kind of like what happened at Texas w Much.

    I definitely think if someone comes in and does a great job they could earn the job or be in a position to have the in waiting title with a turn over deadline?

    Even with out that I can't think of another program with as nationally known horrible O as VT, so turning VT into a legit O would mean a ton in the college football world and worth a ton of money. Vt has the exposure that can launch someone to a major job if done right, but of course that is a risk too, but worth it IMO to get us a real O.

    That is where I think VT is in kind of tough spot with hiring a new OC, you have Bud who is the highest paid assistant at $500K a year. Bringing in Pep is probably going to cost you between $650-$750K a year just to outbid some other schools that may go after him too. How's Bud going to feel about putting all these years in and some guy comes in the first year making more than him. Bud isn't the answer as the guy that suceeds Frank, if he were head coaching material he would have been one 10-15 years ago.

    This post was edited by PlayaHtr on 1/2/2013 at 1:25 PM

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  • PlayaHtr said...

    I think he got his point across rather nicely when it comes to what he thinks about Paul Johnson without going into intimate detail. LOL!! I also think next year will be Paul Johnson's last year at GT too, I've heard the alumni are getting tired of him.

    I think this bowl win gave him an extra year beyond 2013. If he lost it then I would agree with you. Obviously he is a prick. Only prick would go for it on 4th and 3 from their own 35 yard line. Which make me think, how many times did he go for it on forth down and not make it? Would you think that maybe if he punted more, then GT would have won a few more games? Just thinking out loud.. loco

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  • Nomad Chad said...

    I think this bowl win gave him an extra year beyond 2013. If he lost it then I would agree with you. Obviously he is a prick. Only prick would go for it on 4th and 3 from their own 35 yard line. Which make me think, how many times did he go for it on forth down and not make it? Would you think that maybe if he punted more, then GT would have won a few more games? Just thinking out loud..

    Yeah I don't think the bowl game saved him, he did most of his damage in the ACC with kids that he didn't recruit. Their recruitng classes have sucked, I think they are in for a bad season next year. The more the ACC teams play the triple option the less effective it will become IMO. He fired Groh to keep the heat off his back and get another year.

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  • PlayaHtr said...

    Yeah I don't think the bowl game saved him, he did most of his damage in the ACC with kids that he didn't recruit. Their recruitng classes have sucked, I think they are in for a bad season next year. The more the ACC teams play the triple option the less effective it will become IMO. He fired Groh to keep the heat off his back and get another year.

    I see your point.. Paul says his time is almost up..

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  • PlayaHtr said...

    That is where I think VT is in kind of tough spot with hiring a new OC, you have Bud who is the highest paid assistant at $500K a year. Bringing in Pep is probably going to cost you between $650-$750K a year just to outbid some other schools that may go after him too. How's Bud going to feel about putting all these years in and some guy comes in the first year making more than him. Bud isn't the answer as the guy that suceeds Frank, if he were head coaching material he would have been one 10-15 years ago.

    Bud won't be outpaid if Pep were to get 650k to Buds 500k. He has a $1Mil bonus coming after restructuring 3 years ago so thats equals out to $250k a year. I think then they will restructure his contract again to be around 650 or 700 once we free up some of this dead weight (Newsome and O'Cain)

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  • I think VT will need to readdress the salaries of all current assistants to get into the FA market we are looking at, you want to go out on the open market, you have to pay the price that is out there...and in doing so you may have to take care or the guys you have been able to kind of put off because they were your guys...maybe

    HNB

  • PlayaHtr said...

    That is where I think VT is in kind of tough spot with hiring a new OC, you have Bud who is the highest paid assistant at $500K a year. Bringing in Pep is probably going to cost you between $650-$750K a year just to outbid some other schools that may go after him too. How's Bud going to feel about putting all these years in and some guy comes in the first year making more than him. Bud isn't the answer as the guy that suceeds Frank, if he were head coaching material he would have been one 10-15 years ago.

    Bud doesnt get paid 500k so thats a moot point. Bud will make over 750k per year from 2009-2014, including bonuses for bowls, acc titles and all that. We can pay an offensive guy 500k, couple that with the face that Bud wants an offense that could take some pressure off of him and were fine.

    The administration making this hire will be out in 2015 (at the latest) so they dont matter either. This is all on Beamer.

    This post was edited by Hokie5284 on 1/2/2013 at 5:19 PM

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  • So Hoos, who has re-solidifed their commitment back to UVA since the firings of the wrong coaches?

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  • Hokie5284 said...

    Bud doesnt get paid 500k so thats a moot point. Bud will make over 750k per year from 2009-2014, including bonuses for bowls, acc titles and all that. We can pay an offensive guy 500k, couple that with the face that Bud wants an offense that could take some pressure off of him and were fine.

    The administration making this hire will be out in 2015 (at the latest) so they dont matter either. This is all on Beamer.

    Bud's salary is $502K a year. He has to be at VT until the end of the 2014 season to get the annuity. So what he makes a year right now it's a little over $500K. Pep is going to get $650K to$750K a year somewhere whether that's at VT or somewhere else.

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  • VasFinest154919 said...

    So Hoos, who has re-solidifed their commitment back to UVA since the firings of the wrong coaches?

    All of them pretty much. From what's being reported, will be surprised if any of the visits some that were made actually happened. From the sounds of it on Twitter and other Social Media most of them assume as we do that Tenuta will be the new DC.

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  • PlayaHtr said...

    Bud's salary is $502K a year. He has to be at VT until the end of the 2014 season to get the annuity. So what he makes a year right now it's a little over $500K. Pep is going to get $650K to$750K a year somewhere whether that's at VT or somewhere else.

    Yea his base is, but the million divided over the 5 years is 250, he and VT think of his salary as 750...as long as he thinks of it that way who cares...or we could think of him making 502 this year and 1.5 next year.

    HNB

  • PlayaHtr said...

    All of them pretty much. From what's being reported, will be surprised if any of the visits some that were made actually happened. From the sounds of it on Twitter and other Social Media most of them assume as we do that Tenuta will be the new DC.

    One heck of a job of damage control by London if he keeps his current commits. I believe you guys just lost 1-2 or total? One was an o-lineman I believe?

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  • PlayaHtr said...

    Bud's salary is $502K a year. He has to be at VT until the end of the 2014 season to get the annuity. So what he makes a year right now it's a little over $500K. Pep is going to get $650K to$750K a year somewhere whether that's at VT or somewhere else.

    As I said, Bud will make over 750k a year from 2009-2014, when bonuses are factored in. If youd like to put some money up, ill take any bet youd like that his average income from VT per year is over 750k from 2009-2014.

    You have no clue what Pep is paid now, nor what he will get elsewhere. Unless this is Dashawns uncle telling you this again, he was dead on last time.

    FWIW I dont expect Pep at VT anyways, though id be thrilled with the hire.

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  • HNB said...

    Yea his base is, but the million divided over the 5 years is 250, he and VT think of his salary as 750...as long as he thinks of it that way who cares...or we could think of him making 502 this year and 1.5 next year.

    It can be spun either way. All I was saying to get the annuity to make it average out to 750 is him staying thru the 2014 season.

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  • Hokie5284 said...

    As I said, Bud will make over 750k a year from 2009-2014, when by Browse to Save">bonuses are factored in. If youd like to put some money up, ill take any bet youd like that his average income from VT per year is over 750k from 2009-2014.

    You have no clue what Pep is paid now, nor what he will get elsewhere. Unless this is Dashawns uncle telling you this again, he was dead on last time.

    FWIW I dont expect Pep at VT anyways, though id be thrilled with the hire.

    It is true that Stanford keeps coaches salaries private, but please don't think I'm getting the $650-$750 from 247 or "sources" All you have to do is read up on other websites to figure out who's looking for a OC and the going rates for what they are willing to pay is $650+$750. I'm trying to have a serious conversation here and you gotta chime in with your dickhead comments as usual. What a prick!!

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  • VasFinest154919 said...

    One heck of a job of damage control by London if he keeps his current commits. I believe you guys just lost 1-2 or total? One was an o-lineman I believe?

    The one offensive lineman was the only one we lost, and nobody had an idea he was at UNC for a visit until he committed. We replaced him with a kid from GA within a week, may not be as polished at the same stage but has more upside.

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