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So what happens when you don't and he ends up getting the boot? Because it's happening right now to a player(s) at LSU. You cheer for them today and ignore them tomorrow. Classy.

Why wouldn't you. Our starting FB was recruited as s DT and our starting TE was recruited as a WR.

Because they are college football fans of teams that can't compete with the southern schools. No one ever admits that though. They always disguise it with phony concern about the "student athletes". I have yet to see a similar campaign for any other sport. It is odd because their own schools practice the one-year scholly approach they are complaining about, but only the big bad meanies in the SEC are doing wrong.

Yes, that is a problem. The SEC is exploiting kids to further their programs and it is making an amateur sport less competitive. I see the issue. I watched Alabama stomp all over MSU. It was impressive but also a bit disgusting. I would have to imagine many second string players at Alabama would start for MSU. It's a combo of having a great program and oversigning. It's like giving Barry Bonds steroids. You take a great program and you elevate it to above and beyond other programs.

I've admitted it. I think it's a problem. You guys are trying to make me out to be something I'm not. I have humility about my school/program. We could be better and we lack in certain areas. I'm fine with admitting it. You guys can't admit to yourselves that what your programs are doing is wrong. Just look at your responses. The proof is in the pudding.

My point is that your school is doing the same thing in other sports, but you don't care about it unless it is football. Pardon me if I consider you hypocritical. So is your real issue with the dismissal of underperforming scholarship athletes or wanting a more competitive football team at MSU?

Are SEC schools "disgusting" only because they do it in football? If MSU uses the same practices in other sports are they disgusting and exploitive as well?

I am just trying to pinpoint your complaint so we can focus on that issue.

So wait... MSU is removing scholarships from athletes in other sports? I would love some examples because I will actually complain and try to contact Mark Hollis about this. My cousin plays soccer for MSU and has never mentioned any of this. If that happens, I'll be pissed and not a single dime of my money will go to the athletic department.

Both parents went to MSU, I did, and I have family that go there now. I come back for football, basketball, and hockey games. Just donated to the general spartan fund. I'm not a huge donor but people like me help move along their AD. Please show me an example and I'll do my best to find out more about this stuff.

Kids from say volleyball, baseball, or swimming are getting booted for better players?

Right but HC (in the SEC) pull scholarships all the time. And it has nothing to do with something as objective as a GPA. Futhermore, students have the right to protest their academic scholarship being pulled. Do football players?

It's not black and white. Who's to say an athlete isn't meeting the criteria for the scholarship. What if a coach changes said criteria mid stream?

Look, it comes down to some programs not having to live with their recruiting mistakes. That is a HUGE advantage. Saban isn't some sort of genius when it comes to recruiting. He simply doesn't have to worry about it when he misses on a kid.

Like always the SEC is just a decade ahead of everyone else.

They took college football back in the '70s and in vented the super conference and the BCS to make it relevant. Big TV money followed and the mutated college/semi-pro game we have today was born.

Now the are giving signing bonuses and cutting players. I'll bet pretty soon it will be "The LSU Tigers sponsored by Boudreaux's Butt Paste" with advertising on the jerseys.

We'll all just have to catch up like always.

Actually, Saban's recruits have been quoted PRIOR to signing with Alabama that they knew they were going in to 1 year contracts and the next year was not guaranteed. Specifically, one player who said this was Chris Jones before signing with Alabama.

you don't know what your talking about. other sports oversign regularly. basketball does it way more. when a new coach comes in, like at auburn a year ago, he basically oversigned stating that his current players sucked so bad he was gonna kick them all off the team. They cut and dice scholarships regularly. football, basketball, and hockey are the only sports with full scholarships being given out in the entire NCAA. Every other sport experiences cuts or increases to one's scholarship amount EVERY year. for instance, NCAA golf teams are allotted 4.5 scholarships per team, but most teams have 8-10 players....not 1:1 ratio there. year over year, each player can see a different scholarship and actually, most schools will drop players if their average for the year is bad enough.

The players are getting a free ride for ONE reason.....their athletic ability. If their athletic ability isn't as good as another option....the other option is taken. Fine. The shunned player always has the right to do what 80% of all of us do...pay your own damn way through college or get college free because.....(gasp) youre actually intelligent, got an academic scholarship and really deserve the free schooling. all of those options are open to players not living up to the needed ability level of the school. coddling them like oversigning opponents do is sick.

Ah, ok. So you accuse Michigan State of pulling scholarships from students in non-revenue sports to get better athletes. Then, you don't have any examples. Wow. I can play this game too. Nick Saban pulls scholarship offers from current football players. Once he's done doing that he calls them into his office and eats their brains. Yup, Saban has a strange obsession with eating brains. I don't have any examples of this but it is happening. I heard it from a guy.

Here is my problem with this, more specifically Nick Saban becoming the face of the oversigning debate:
When a coach tells EVERY recruit up front that scholarship are renewable yearly, when he NEVER "cuts" a player without discipline problems from the program without a) a full medical hardship scholarship or b) a diploma in hand, and when EVERY grayshirt states that he was told prior to being grayshirted that it was a possibility, what is the problem?

Granted, situations like the one that happened at LSU with the kid getting booted out of the blue are awful, but those situations have been few and far between.

I see no problem with what Saban and a few others have done. There has yet to be a player "cut" from our program without a full scholarship or a diploma to fall back on. The only player in 5 years to whine about being cut from our program was a grade A douchebag who got a postgraduate degree thanks to his medical hardship that gave him 5 total years of paid education... poor fellow.

If you're honest with recruits up front, then where's the harm?

this has been pointed out now 3 times and i promise you none of the so called oversigning opponents will recognize it. Saban's way of going about managing a team is approved by all parties involved INCLUDING the players in question and yet people totally outside the situation still want to make some BS huge deal about it.

Again, the players that sign up to play at Alabama do so KNOWING they must not just earn a starting spot but also a spot on the roster. And they love it because it will make you perform your best.