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  • kitemac said...

    Do the stats for BCS Championship games per every conference that should really show that SEC sucks donkey censored

    He hasn't figured out how to make those favor anyone other than the the SEC yet, rest assured though, as soon as he can we will know about it.

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    amrollZ71

  • amrollZ71 said...

    He hasn't figured out how to make those favor anyone other than the the SEC yet, rest assured though, as soon as he can we will know about it.

    The numbers I posted ITT are actually pretty favorable for the SEC, far and away either the best or right next to the best out of any conf. since 1998 against 8+ win ( aka - very good) teams. It's funny how insecure a lot of you SEC fans are considering the large amount of success the conf. has had, especially the last 6-7 years.

    Notice I just posted the SEC's totals. I tend to always make comparisons between the SEC/PAC, so I thought
    I would stay away from that this time and just show what the SEC has done, and they have done very well.
    By the reaction I got you would have thought I had posted Alabama's all-time record
    vs Texas & Notre Dame, which is like 2-12-1 or something terrible like that, but I didn't
    do that - until now.

    Anyway, maybe a few people who looked at this post had never seen SEC results vs other conferences in
    the BCS era broken down by reg. season, bowl, and all OOC games vs the best competition and found it interesting. Maybe not.

    Perhaps, I may have over-estimated how knowledgeable college football fans are in the south.
    Passionate yes, great attendance at games - hell yes, but I kind of expected several posters like the
    Harbinater on this site, not just 1 or 2. Maybe there just aren't that many on this site that played one of the big 3 team sports at a collegiate level, which certainly isn't neccessary to be knowledgeable, but does provide a perspective different than someone who the closest they ever got to actually playing the game, was playing
    it on a video screen.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Well, the SEC should be able to finally get their record over .500 vs the Big Ten in Bowl games and overall in games between 8 win teams, since the Big Ten is so down right now.

    Funny, I guess that SEC speed has had a hard time dealing with the Big Ten's slow.

    spin it.
    i'd like to thank tosu for the jumpstart of sec dominance...had the over rated suckeyes not gotten bitch slapped by florida and a 2 loss lsu team in the bcs title game, 6 in a row would not be possible.

    i just like it in 2010, when a down 3 loss Bama team that finished 4th in the sec west...beats the big 10 co champion by 50.

    the big 10 should just merge with the mac...very similar quality brand of football.

    hubcitytider

  • hubcitytider said...

    spin it. i'd like to thank tosu for the jumpstart of sec dominance...had the over rated suckeyes not gotten bitch slapped by florida and a 2 loss lsu team in the bcs title game, 6 in a row would not be possible.

    i just like it in 2010, when a down 3 loss Bama team that finished 4th in the sec west...beats the big 10 co champion by 50.

    the big 10 should just merge with the mac...very similar quality brand of football.

    agreed, plus go and look at the conference standings of the SEC vs Big10 bowl games its constantly lopsided (SEC # 4-7 vs big10 #1-3) and we still win.

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    SiscoGator

  • when anyone can unseat the SEC in the biggest of games (you know that BCS championship or soon to be championship playoff game?) - then you have something to talk about. til then, this is just a waste of your time, cause it doesn't prove anything.

    Vandy playing Ohio State (i know that's probably not one of the examples), but just as Bama, LSU, UGA , etc expect to beat Vandy, we expect the higher end teams in other conferences to beat those guys as well. list the teams - and their ranks - and maybe you might get more support.

    viper_36

  • SiscoGator said...

    agreed, plus go and look at the conference standings of the SEC vs Big10 bowl games its constantly lopsided (SEC # 4-7 vs big10 #1-3) and we still win.


    Actually, the results below don't support your claim at all.
    It looks like a pretty evenly matched series. Out of 34 games,
    the B1G had the higher ranked team only 2 more times than the SEC did.

    Of course, also no mention was made of the fact that all these bowl games are played in the south,
    maybe not as much of an advantage as a true home game, but still an advantage.

    This shows all bowl games SEC vs B1G since
    1998, not just the ones between 8+ win teams.

    -SEC vs B1G (17-17)
    -SEC the lower ranked team 17 times.
    -SEC the higher ranked team 15 times.
    -Neither team ranked 2 times.

    Rankings at time of bowl game.

    SEC 7-10 when ranked lower
    ========================
    W #2 Florida vs #1 Ohio St
    W #2 LSU vs #1 Ohio St
    L #12 Arkansas vs #6 Wisconsin
    L #8 Arkansas vs #6 Ohio St
    W #12 LSU vs #7 Illinois
    W #15 Alabama vs #7 Mich St
    L #10 Florida vs #9 Mich St
    W #19 Auburn vs #10 Penn St
    L #12 LSU vs #11 Iowa
    L #13 LSU vs #11 Penn St
    L #22 Florida vs #12 Michigan
    L #18 Georgia vs #12 Mich St
    L #17 Florida vs #13 Iowa
    L #20 Auburn vs #17 Michigan
    W #21 Georgia vs #19 Purdue
    W South Car vs #19 Ohio St
    L Kentucky vs #22 Penn St

    SEC 9-6 when ranked higher
    ========================
    L #5 Alabama vs #8 Michigan
    L #7 Auburn vs #21 Wisconsin
    L #9 Florida vs Michigan
    W #8 Georgia vs #16 Wisconsin
    W #8 Tennessee vs #17 Michigan
    L #11 Arkansas vs #15 Michigan
    W #11 Georgia vs #12 Purdue
    W #16 Tennessee vs #18 Wisconsin
    W #16 Georgia vs #19 Michigan St
    W #10 South Car vs #21 Nebraska
    W #14 South Car vs #22 Ohio St
    W #16 Florida vs #25 Iowa
    L #17 Tennessee vs Penn St
    W #21 Miss State vs Michigan
    L #25 Arkansas vs Minnesota

    SEC 1-1 when neither team ranked
    ============================
    L South Car vs Iowa
    W Auburn vs Northwestern

    Probably should put the "SEC's #4-7th place teams beat the Big 10's #1-3 place teams"
    excuse to bed now.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Actually, the results below don't support your claim at all.
    It looks like a pretty evenly matched series. Out of 34 games,
    the B1G had the higher ranked team only 2 more times than the SEC did.

    Of course, also no mention was made of the fact that all these bowl games are played in the south,
    maybe not as much of an advantage as a true home game, but still an advantage.

    This shows all bowl games SEC vs B1G since
    1998, not just the ones between 8+ win teams.

    -SEC vs B1G (17-17)
    -SEC the lower ranked team 17 times.
    -SEC the higher ranked team 15 times.
    -Neither team ranked 2 times.

    Rankings at time of bowl game.

    SEC 7-10 when ranked lower
    ========================
    W #2 Florida vs #1 Ohio St
    W #2 LSU vs #1 Ohio St
    L #12 Arkansas vs #6 Wisconsin
    L #8 Arkansas vs #6 Ohio St
    W #12 LSU vs #7 Illinois
    W #15 Alabama vs #7 Mich St
    L #10 Florida vs #9 Mich St
    W #19 Auburn vs #10 Penn St
    L #12 LSU vs #11 Iowa
    L #13 LSU vs #11 Penn St
    L #22 Florida vs #12 Michigan
    L #18 Georgia vs #12 Mich St
    L #17 Florida vs #13 Iowa
    L #20 Auburn vs #17 Michigan

    W #21 Georgia vs #19 Purdue
    W South Car vs #19 Ohio St
    L Kentucky vs #22 Penn St

    SEC 9-6 when ranked higher
    ========================
    L #5 Alabama vs #8 Michigan
    L #7 Auburn vs #21 Wisconsin
    L #9 Florida vs Michigan
    W #8 Georgia vs #16 Wisconsin
    W #8 Tennessee vs #17 Michigan
    L #11 Arkansas vs #15 Michigan
    W #11 Georgia vs #12 Purdue
    W #16 Tennessee vs #18 Wisconsin
    W #16 Georgia vs #19 Michigan St
    W #10 South Car vs #21 Nebraska
    W #14 South Car vs #22 Ohio St
    W #16 Florida vs #25 Iowa
    L #17 Tennessee vs Penn St
    W #21 Miss State vs Michigan
    L #25 Arkansas vs Minnesota

    SEC 1-1 when neither team ranked
    ============================
    L South Car vs Iowa
    W Auburn vs Northwestern

    Probably should put the "SEC's #4-7th place teams beat the Big 10's #1-3 place teams"
    excuse to bed now.

    Your idiotic attempts the downplay the SEC dominance only further justifies that we are the top of the mountain.

    What's SC's record vs Bama again? Oh yea 2-5.

    Your a PAC12 homer, yet now clinging onto the Big 10. Would you like biscuits with your jelly?

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    Macdaddy7930

  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Your idiotic attempts the downplay the SEC dominance only further justifies that we are the top of the mountain.

    What's SC's record vs Bama again? Oh yea 2-5.

    Your a PAC12 homer, yet now clinging onto the Big 10. Would you like biscuits with your jelly?

    I love how mad these facts make you. It's both funny and pathetic at the same time. Haha, you dance better than any puppet on the board when your strings are pulled.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • Nevermind, I see it's on there now. Touche

    This post was edited by fitzgator07 on 12/15/2012 at 7:49 AM

    fitzgator07

  • SkullyMaroo said...

    Why the 8 win plateau and not the standard 6 win teams that were bowl eligible? Does that produce data that shows the SEC's dominance?

    Yes, that data does show the SEC's dominance. I was trying to hide it,
    but I might as well just let the dominance Roll.

    In all OOC games vs AQ Conf. teams .500 or better in the BCS Era (1998-2012),
    Alabama is 9-10.

    Truly dominating.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Actually, the results below don't support your claim at all. It looks like a pretty evenly matched series. Out of 34 games, the B1G had the higher ranked team only 2 more times than the SEC did.

    Of course, also no mention was made of the fact that all these bowl games are played in the south, maybe not as much of an advantage as a true home game, but still an advantage.

    This shows all bowl games SEC vs B1G since 1998, not just the ones between 8+ win teams.

    -SEC vs B1G (17-17) -SEC the lower ranked team 17 times. -SEC the higher ranked team 15 times. -Neither team ranked 2 times.

    Rankings at time of bowl game.

    SEC 7-10 when ranked lower ======================== W #2 Florida vs #1 Ohio St W #2 LSU vs #1 Ohio St L #12 Arkansas vs #6 Wisconsin L #8 Arkansas vs #6 Ohio St W #12 LSU vs #7 Illinois W #15 Alabama vs #7 Mich St L #10 Florida vs #9 Mich St W #19 Auburn vs #10 Penn St L #12 LSU vs #11 Iowa L #13 LSU vs #11 Penn St L #22 Florida vs #12 Michigan L #18 Georgia vs #12 Mich St L #17 Florida vs #13 Iowa L #20 Auburn vs #17 Michigan W #21 Georgia vs #19 Purdue W South Car vs #19 Ohio St L Kentucky vs #22 Penn St

    SEC 9-6 when ranked higher ======================== L #5 Alabama vs #8 Michigan L #7 Auburn vs #21 Wisconsin L #9 Florida vs Michigan W #8 Georgia vs #16 Wisconsin W #8 Tennessee vs #17 Michigan L #11 Arkansas vs #15 Michigan W #11 Georgia vs #12 Purdue W #16 Tennessee vs #18 Wisconsin W #16 Georgia vs #19 Michigan St W #10 South Car vs #21 Nebraska W #14 South Car vs #22 Ohio St W #16 Florida vs #25 Iowa L #17 Tennessee vs Penn St W #21 Miss State vs Michigan L #25 Arkansas vs Minnesota

    SEC 1-1 when neither team ranked ============================ L South Car vs Iowa W Auburn vs Northwestern

    Probably should put the "SEC's #4-7th place teams beat the Big 10's #1-3 place teams" excuse to bed now.

    im not knocking your research but i deferentially said conference standing ranks. the 4-7th best team by conference standing in the SEC vs the 2-3rd best team in the Big10.

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    SiscoGator

  • LScootU said...

    6 in a row, nuff said

    The thread should have been closed after this. Kiss the rings & suck the crystal balls.

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    "Oh and Mac...the horse's name is Friday." - Jim Bowers

    ksredmill

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    The University of Florida:

    .............0-8-1 all-time vs Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan St, Nebraska, and Texas.

    The University of South Florida (1 game) ............1-0 all-time vs ND, Mich, Mich St, Nebraska, & Texas.

    The University of South Carolina v.s. Southern Cal......1-0, pick and choose your all time battles wisely

    Ramsey22

  • viper_36 said...

    when anyone can unseat the SEC in the biggest of games (you know that BCS championship or soon to be championship playoff game?) - then you have something to talk about. til then, this is just a waste of your time, cause it doesn't prove anything.

    Vandy playing Ohio State (i know that's probably not one of the examples), but just as Bama, LSU, UGA , etc expect to beat Vandy, we expect the higher end teams in other conferences to beat those guys as well. list the teams - and their ranks - and maybe you might get more support.

    Simply stated as "To be the man, you gotta beat the man"

    Ramsey22

  • Ramsey22 said...

    The University of South Carolina v.s. Southern Cal......1-0, pick and choose your all time battles wisely

    No need to make stuff up.
    USC 1-1 all time vs South Car.

    Must have had a losing record that year USC lost to SCar.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • kitemac said...

    Do the stats for BCS Championship games per every conference that should really show that SEC sucks donkey censored

    Guess I'll wait...

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    kitemac

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Yes, that data does show the SEC's dominance. I was trying to hide it, but I might as well just let the dominance Roll.

    In all OOC games vs AQ Conf. teams .500 or better in the BCS Era (1998-2012), Alabama is 9-10.

    Truly dominating.

    technically, bama is 8-9 since 98 vs bcs league ooc opp .500+.

    they're 9-9 actual game results, but vacated the 06 tt win.

    also, i'm assuming you're counting the utah loss as the 10th loss, but they weren't a bcs team yet, so it technically doesn't qualify here.

    as for the record, it also includes probably the worst 10 year period (98-07) for bama in its history, or at least 50-60 years. during that time, they went 1-9 (2-9 actual game result, but the tt game vacated)

    since 07, bama is 7-0 vs that same category (7-1 counting utah). that's easily the best record over that time frame.

    also, i haven't read all of this thread, did you post the other confs' records for the same? serious question.

    i like to see something to reference these things to, something to compare.

    you say this is good for the sec, and i got no reason not to believe, but it could be just run of the mill for any conf, or really dominant, or plain bad. just need some reference to base it on. if you got them, i'd be interested in seeing them.

    theharbinater

  • theharbinater said...

    technically, bama is 8-9 since 98 vs bcs league ooc opp .500+.

    they're 9-9 actual game results, but vacated the 06 tt win.

    also, i'm assuming you're counting the utah loss as the 10th loss, but they weren't a bcs team yet, so it technically doesn't qualify here.

    as for the record, it also includes probably the worst 10 year period (98-07) for bama in its history, or at least 50-60 years. during that time, they went 1-9 (2-9 actual game result, but the tt game vacated)

    since 07, bama is 7-0 vs that same category (7-1 counting utah). that's easily the best record over that time frame.

    also, i haven't read all of this thread, did you post the other confs' records for the same? serious question.

    i like to see something to reference these things to, something to compare.

    you say this is good for the sec, and i got no reason not to believe, but it could be just run of the mill for any conf, or really dominant, or plain bad. just need some reference to base it on. if you got them, i'd be interested in seeing them.

    I counted the Texas Tech win because I don't consider anything the ncaa does as legit. I included the Utah game because I included games against any MWC teams. After all, if the ACC, who has won 2 BCS Bowl games is included then the MWC should be since they managed to win 3.

    I can post some other conf #' s when I get home later. Originally, I didn't post that just to stay away from my usual PAC- SEC comparison, but I will later.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • And 7 BCS National Championships in a row after 1/7/2013.

    jimtom27486

  • How many NC's? It's okay little buddy, the big will be back one day.

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  • Mr.Stache said...

    Sure fire Heisman. First team All-American. #1 Draft Pick. Finally the guy to break the trend of shitty QB's from USC in the NFL. ....... Then he got Kiffined.

    He was who he was before kiffin

    What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.--Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

    scinsc5

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    BCS ERA (1998-2012)

    SEC OOC games between 8 or more win teams only.
    2012 regular season included (Pre-Bowl).
    ============================================
    Regular Season/ Bowl Games / All OOC vs 8+ win teams
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    2-1 vs B1G....../ 13-15 Bowls.../ 15-16 vs B1G
    2-3 vs B12......./ 12-5 Bowls...../ 14-8 vs B12
    2-3 vs PAC......./ 1-0 Bowls....../ 3-3 vs PAC
    15-13 ACC......./ 12-3 Bowls..../ 27-16 vs ACC
    7-7 vs B.EAST../ 2-3 Bowls....../ 9-10 vs BEAST
    0-1 vs INDY......./ 1-0 Bowls....../ 1-1 vs INDY
    0-1 vs MWC....../ 0-1 Bowls....../ 0-2 vs MWC
    ==========================================
    SEC Totals
    ---------------
    (28-29) .491 -Regular Season between 8+ win teams.
    ==========================================
    (41-27) .603 -All bowl games between 8+ win teams.
    ==========================================

    (69-56) .552 -All OOC games between 8+ win teams.
    ==========================================
    (41-24) vs ACC and BIG 12.
    (28-32) vs B1G, PAC, MWC, BIG EAST, and INDY'S.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------

    Harbinater, Here's what I got

    BCS ERA (1998-2012)

    PAC OOC games between 8 or more win teams only.
    ============================================
    Regular Season/ Bowl Games/ All OOC vs 8+ win teams
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    10-5 vs B1G......./ 8-4 Bowls...../ 18-9 vs B1G
    5-4 vs B12........../ 8-11 Bowls.../ 13-15 vs B12
    3-2 vs SEC........./ 0-1 Bowls....../ 3-3 vs SEC
    1-2 vs ACC......../ 3-1 Bowls....../ 4-3 vs ACC
    2-4 vs B.EAST.../ 3-1 Bowls....../ 5-5 vs B.EAST
    7-2 vs INDY......./ 1-0 Bowls....../ 8-2 vs INDY
    ======================================
    PAC Totals
    ---------------
    (28-19) .595 Regular season between 8+ win teams.
    =========================================
    (23-18) .561 All Bowl games between 8+ win teams.
    =========================================

    (51-37) .580 All OOC games between 8+ win teams.
    =========================================
    (60-42) .588 Add in MWC games
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    vs the MWC 7-3 reg season/ 2-2 Bowls = (9-5)

    Add Colorado and Utah
    (Just to compare the amount of games/wins
    if the PAC had 12 teams like SEC the entire time.)
    Col & Utah = 6-5 reg season/ 4-2 Bowls / 10-7 Overall.

    PAC (70-49) .588
    ------------------------
    ----
    ----
    ------------------------

    Win Pct. in games between 8
    or more win teams from these
    7 Conf & Indy's in the BCS Era.
    ========================
    1) PAC (.588)
    2) SEC (.552)
    3) B1G (.500)
    4) B12 (.485)
    5) MWC(.465)
    6) ACC (.458)
    7) BEast(427)
    ============

    ---------------
    BIG 10
    ---------------
    6-1 vs ACC
    9-18 vs PAC
    16-15 vs SEC
    2-1 vs MWC
    5-2 vs BigEast
    9-7 vs Big12
    4-7 vs Indy (ND)
    ==========
    51-51 .500
    ==========

    ---------------
    BIG 12
    ---------------
    8-14 vs SEC
    7-9 vs BIG
    15-13 vs PAC
    7-6 vs ACC
    3-3 vs Big East
    1-1 vs Indy (ND)
    7-5 vs MWC
    ============
    48-51 .485
    ============

    -----------
    MWC
    -----------
    2-1 vs ACC
    5-9 vs PAC
    2-0 vs SEC
    1-2 vs Big10
    5-7 vs Big12
    2-1 vs BEast
    3-3 vs Indy
    ===========
    20-23 .465
    ===========

    ----------
    ACC
    ----------
    16-27 vs SEC
    3-4 vs Pac 12
    1-2 vs MWC
    1-6 vs Big10
    6-7 vs Big12
    25-16 vs Big East
    3-3 vs Indy (ND)
    ==============
    55-65 .458
    ==============

    This post was edited by NcaaAssassinG13 on 12/18/2012 at 9:29 AM

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    No need to make stuff up. USC 1-1 all time vs South Car.

    Must have had a losing record that year USC lost to SCar.

    Wanna play the tie breaker this year? Doubt it....Would Southern Cal match up the past 2 years or the next 4 years? Doubt it....You've been Kiffined! When do you think the SEC NC dominance will end? It's been 6 years now, stronger now than ever. Is it me or every time I hear of Southern Cal I picture OJ and the white bronco?

    Ramsey22

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    I counted the Texas Tech win because I don't consider anything the ncaa does as legit. I included the Utah game because I included games against any MWC teams. After all, if the ACC, who has won 2 BCS Bowl games is included then the MWC should be since they managed to win 3.

    I can post some other conf #' s when I get home later. Originally, I didn't post that just to stay away from my usual PAC- SEC comparison, but I will later.

    makes sense, mwc is (or was) a legit conf.

    and thanks for other conf #'s.

    theharbinater

  • Ramsey22 said...

    Wanna play the tie breaker this year? Doubt it....Would Southern Cal match up the past 2 years or the next 4 years? Doubt it...

    I would like our chances against South Car. After all, Southern Carolina nearly lost to Tenn and should have lost to Vandy but the P.I. wasn't called. Plus, you got hammered by Florida 44-11. As usual, the SCarCocks came up little in the big games.

    Well, since we don't play, I guess I'll just count USC's titles (11) to SCar's titles(0) as the tiebreaker. It's nice that you can root for other schools in your conf to win it since you can't. We gotta school like that in the PAC 12 too, they're called Washington State.

    NcaaAssassinG13