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The Stanford secret

  • http://247sports.com/Article/Stanford-has-become-a-recruiting-heavyweight-in-its-own-way-106516

    Ryan Burns leads Stanford's 85th ranked 2013 recruiting class but don't let the ranking fool you. Stanford is right where it wants to be.

    Barton Simmons | 247Sports | National Recruiting Analyst | Twitter: @bartonsimmons

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  • Excellent evaluators and they land good football players. Last cycle, the ranking jumped with some great additions at the end. I don't expect the Cardinal to finish No. 85.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Excellent evaluators and they land good football players. Last cycle, the ranking jumped with some great additions at the end. I don't expect the Cardinal to finish No. 85.

    It'll be a small class but yeah, they probably end up with Durham Smythe, maybe Thomas Oser, still could get Isaac Savaiinaea. Plenty of moves still to be made but they're probably looking at 14 commits tops.

    Thought it was interesting the way they looked at camps. Not just as an evaluation. They look at it as practice too.

    Barton Simmons | 247Sports | National Recruiting Analyst | Twitter: @bartonsimmons

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  • "The Geeks Shall Inherit the Turf" biggrin

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  • Interesting numbers in terms of players signed. David Shaw would be my #1 choice to replace Saban if/when he retires. However, I have a feeling Shaw will be in the NFL before then.

    Jabrill Peppers...More I watch, the more I'm convinced he is the best player in the 2014 class. Barring injury, he will do special things.

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  • BamaBornDukie said...

    Interesting numbers in terms of players signed. David Shaw would be my #1 choice to replace Saban if/when he retires. However, I have a feeling Shaw will be in the NFL before then.

    Yeah. He seems to be a perfect fit at Stanford. The way he's had success there makes me suspect that Greg Roman would be a heck of a head coach somewhere too. The Harbaugh coaching tree may be the way to go. Willie Taggart has sure looked good (Though as a Yale alum, Tom Williams didn't exactly set the world on fire as the HC up there.)

    Barton Simmons | 247Sports | National Recruiting Analyst | Twitter: @bartonsimmons

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  • I don't find this to be too much of a secret. They get smart kids that are tough. Most of those types of kids are not true 5 stars. I've always said the Duke secret for years was getting kids that just weren't good enough to skip early and enter the draft. They had the one fallout, but after that, guys that can stay four years in the program like Singler and the Plumlee brothers bodes well for development and team structure. You get that bond that others don't have....

    This post was edited by CoachGomez214 on 12/13/2012 at 6:21 PM

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  • Coach-Gomez said...

    I don't find this to be too much of a secret. They get smart kids that are tough. Most of those types of kids are not true 5 stars. I've always said the Duke secret for years was getting kids that just weren't good enough to skip early and enter the draft. They had the one fallout, but after that, guys that can stay four years in the program like Singler and the Plumlee brothers bodes well for development and team structure. You get that bond that others don't have....

    The "smart Stanford football player" pablum that the media coughs up constantly is a bit of a myth. Luck, as in Andrew, had a lot to do with that. 98% of their guys have no where near the same intellect as him. Problem is that Stanford puts a huge weight on what kind of HS you are coming from. Why you see so many of their players and students coming from well regarded suburban public schools or private academies. And why their team appears so lily white when compared to most other D1 programs. A 'B' student at a good secondary school is going to have a hell of a lot easier time qualifying than a straight A student at an urban HS.

    Regardless, there's a huge difference between "not being retarded" and smart. The majority of Stanford players are just normal dudes.

    brem22

  • brem22 said...

    The "smart Stanford football player" pablum that the media coughs up constantly is a bit of a myth. Luck, as in Andrew, had a lot to do with that. 98% of their guys have no where near the same intellect as him. Problem is that Stanford puts a huge weight on what kind of HS you are coming from. Why you see so many of their players and students coming from well regarded suburban public schools or private academies. And why their team appears so lily white when compared to most other D1 programs. A 'B' student at a good secondary school is going to have a hell of a lot easier time qualifying than a straight A student at an urban HS.

    Regardless, there's a huge difference between "not being retarded" and smart. The majority of Stanford players are just normal dudes.

    Ah..the Cal Berkeley spin. Come now, you and I both know our universities (Cal and USC) recruit and bring on kids that would never sniff our universities based on academic merit alone. Stanford draws from the smallest pool of recruits in the country - more selective than Notre Dame and Vanderbilt, yet they field a tough and disciplined team.

    True, once they get there, the school makes sure their athletes graduate, and remain eligible.

    Of all the football programs in the country, Stanford is by a great margin, the most impressive. Everyone else will bring in the barely literate to field a competitive team...but to do what Stanford has done, is simply amazing. They deserve the respect without us belittling those accomplishments.

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    Of all the football programs in the country, Stanford is by a great margin, the most impressive. Everyone else will bring in the barely literate to field a competitive team...but to do what Stanford has done, is simply amazing. They deserve the respect without us belittling those accomplishments.


    Stanford has been very impressive and they aren't going away anytime soon.

    From the excellent article -
    "Over the last five years, Stanford has signed a total of 102 prospects. Compare that to defending national champion Alabama who has signed 135 prospects sick in that same span.
    That is a cyclops 33-player margin for error that Nick blackeye Saban has had over David Shaw."

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Stanford has been very impressive and they aren't going away anytime soon.

    From the excellent article - "Over the last five years, Stanford has signed a total of 102 prospects. Compare that to defending national champion Alabama who has signed 135 prospects sick in that same span. That is a cyclops 33-player margin for error that Nick blackeye Saban has had over David Shaw."

    Stanford fielding a top 10 football team, is equivalent to Harvard, Princeton or Yale, etc., fielding an impressive team. They're in that same rarefied academic air as those universities.

    Kudos to them, I would rather they be the goal to aspire to than any other program in the country....

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  • They're getting legit football players that also know how to solve complex differential equations. Damn nerds. I ain't mad at them, though.

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    Stanford fielding a top 10 football team, is equivalent to Harvard, Princeton or Yale, etc., fielding an impressive team. They're in that same rarefied academic air as those universities.

    Kudos to them, I would rather they be the goal to aspire to than any other program in the country....

    While I agree that Stanford academics are impressive, they're not to Princeton's caliber. We're talking one the best schools in the WORLD. BTW, Princeton when Carrill was there was a monster when it came to tourney time year in and year out. Ask UCLA and Georgetown.

    amaker has Harvard in a spot this year. Not a good first round draw....

    CoachGomez214

  • New England Patriots won many super bowls this way! "Evaluation"....Off all those super bowl teams how many players can you name other than Brady and the really good linebacker?

    Ramsey22

  • Ramsey22 said...

    New England Patriots won many super bowls this way! "Evaluation"....Off all those super bowl teams how many players can you name other than Brady and the really good linebacker?

    A lot. He had good players, but they believed in the system. Wilfork, Milloy, Samuels, etc.... He got guys to buy in for less to compliment the system. Smart. You want a ring? Come here... but he still had some studs.

    CoachGomez214

  • Coach-Gomez said...

    While I agree that Stanford academics are impressive, they're not to Princeton's caliber. We're talking one the best schools in the WORLD. BTW, Princeton when Carrill was there was a monster when it came to tourney time year in and year out. Ask UCLA and Georgetown.

    amaker has Harvard in a spot this year. Not a good first round draw....

    That's ridiculous. Sorry, but Stanford is in the same prestigious rank as Princeton, Harvard, Yale, etc...only difference is, the "Ivy League" title that is purely east coast and attended by generations of wealth and success, but the academics are on par. Stanford is in that group that were founding members of AAU in 1905, and admittance is based on academic merit with little less of the old boy rich club that is prevalent in the others.

    As far as fundraising, and generosity of the alums to their alma mater, Stanford's only rival is Harvard..every year it fluctuates between those two universities.

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    That's ridiculous. Sorry, but Stanford is in the same prestigious rank as Princeton, Harvard, Yale, etc...only difference is, the "Ivy League" title that is purely east coast and attended by generations of wealth and success, but the academics are on par. Stanford is in that group that were founding members of AAU in 1905, and admittance is based on academic merit with little less of the old boy rich club that is prevalent in the others.

    As far as fundraising, and generosity of the alums to their alma mater, Stanford's only rival is Harvard..every year it fluctuates between those two universities.

    Look at the top schools in the country. Princeton, Harvard and Yale are in the top 6. Stanford, no. Is it a great school? Yes. Its not Princeton. And it's not even close.

    CoachGomez214

  • I just checked out Stanford's website and it says their freshman classes are around 1,700 students a year? I had no idea it was such a small school.

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  • Coach-Gomez said...

    Look at the top schools in the country. Princeton, Harvard and Yale are in the top 6. Stanford, no. Is it a great school? Yes. Its not Princeton. And it's not even close.

    Stanford is ranked academically in the top 5-6, every year...where are you from? They are a true academic "blue blood".

    This post was edited by usctrojan1 on 12/17/2012 at 1:25 PM

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  • Coach-Gomez said...

    Look at the top schools in the country. Princeton, Harvard and Yale are in the top 6. Stanford, no. Is it a great school? Yes. Its not Princeton. And it's not even close.

    stanford is #6, and it's not even close

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  • scinsc5 said...

    stanford is #6, and it's not even close

    Looking at the ranking and Duke is 7. They're the number 1 school in the country year in and year out for the past 28 years in hoops. Amaker and Dawkins got it going there and they never fell off, but one year when K left for medical reasons.

    Princeton, Yale and Harvard are atop almost every single year. Stanford is a GREAT school, but it's not Princeton great. Just because they're behind only a couple spots doesn't mean they're that close. The gap is larger than you think. Look at SAT enrollees scores for proof and acceptance rate.

    CoachGomez214

  • Coach-Gomez said...

    Looking at the ranking and Duke is 7. They're the number 1 school in the country year in and year out for the past 28 years in hoops. Amaker and Dawkins got it going there and they never fell off, but one year when K left for medical reasons.

    Princeton, Yale and Harvard are atop almost every single year. Stanford is a GREAT school, but it's not Princeton great. Just because they're behind only a couple spots doesn't mean they're that close. The gap is larger than you think. Look at SAT enrollees scores for proof and acceptance rate.

    I'm not sure how old this is, but according to the USN&WR, Stanford has the 5th lowest acceptance rate in the nation. Harvard is 3rd, but Yale is 6th.

    Top 100 - Lowest Acceptance Rates | Rankings | US News

    http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/lowest-acceptance-rate?src=stats

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  • according to Forbes magazine, yale and harvard are fine schools, but not as great as stanford

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  • sf2k4 said...

    I'm not sure how old this is, but according to the USN&WR, Stanford has the 5th lowest acceptance rate in the nation. Harvard is 3rd, but Yale is 6th.

    I stand corrected! Thank you for the info... I have a much greater respect for Stanford than I had before (not that it was poor by any accounts!) and truly is remarkable what they're doing there academically and athletically.

    CoachGomez214

  • Coach-Gomez said...

    I stand corrected! Thank you for the info... I have a much greater respect for Stanford than I had before (not that it was poor by any accounts!) and truly is remarkable what they're doing there academically and athletically.

    I was shocked they were so small enrollment wise... I thought they were much larger.

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