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The State of Texas

  • amrollZ71 said...

    IF the civil war happened again today the south would almost certainly win.

    Based on what?

    I don't think either side would win. I think we'd decimate ourselves.

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    This guy just isn't getting it... Like any US Military branch would be like "Oh it's in the Texas constitution? We'll release you from your duties then." Come on man.

    Have you served? I don't get it? It's basically a contract, a term, like a ball player. When a serviceman's enlistment is up, he/she is a free agent. Where are they going? I don't even care if they are native Texans. They are going to the best option for themselves and family, like I would, and that's Texas

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    yellowfin

  • Dumbest thread ever...lol

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  • amrollZ71 said...

    IF the civil war happened again today the south would almost certainly win.

    Lol, the same way you lost the first time, will happen again. Plus with the demographic shift, it would only accelerate the decline of the white majority population, as it would be almost certain that those of color would not choose to secede. Added with the fact that, no outside country would support the south, maybe China, but then again, what good would that do to your cause :D.

    Elderpanda

  • amrollZ71 said...

    IF the WAR OF NORTHERN AGGRESSION happened again today the south would almost certainly win.

    Fixed it for y'all.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    Based on what?

    I don't think either side would win. I think we'd decimate ourselves.

    Approximately 40% of the soldiers are from the south. Im fairly certain the majority of military bases(along woth WOMD) are located in the southern region. It would be totally devastating to the north

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  • amrollZ71 said...

    Approximately 40% of the soldiers are from the south. Im fairly certain the majority of military bases(along woth WOMD) are located in the southern region. It would be totally devastating to the north

    You're assuming 100% of that 40% feel some sort of regional pride that would make them come back and join the South.

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  • civil discussion out the window(as expected)

    This isn't a North vs South issue. It's one state, whose constitution allows for a vote to secede. In my opinion(not a Texan) they would be more powerful than the US in short order, very short order.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    You're assuming 100% of that 40% feel some sort of regional pride that would make them come back and join the South.

    It would have to be an issue a lot of them agreed on. And as history had shown, the ties to to home are VERY strong

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  • amrollZ71 said...

    Approximately 40% of the soldiers are from the south. Im fairly certain the majority of military bases(along woth WOMD) are located in the southern region. It would be totally devastating to the north

    One of the places to launch nukes is in Nebraska. We will destroy the south before you guys even get your guns loaded.

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  • amrollZ71 said...

    It would have to be an issue a lot of them agreed on. And as history had shown, the ties to to home are VERY strong

    Can you provide me with proof of this from RECENT history?

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  • CMXI said...

    Seriously. Texas has no military of its own. Texas has people from Texas in the U.S. military, but it's highly doubtful that any significant number of U.S. soldiers (even those from Texas) would commit treason and engage in open revolt. With the full might of the U.S. military against the Texas citizenry, it wouldn't even be close - like, the type of "not even close" seen in the 2003 OU-TAMU game.

    Based on your political stances I find it safe to assume to you're strongly against exerting military force on foreign soil, why do you seem so certain and in support of it on domestic soil?

    PTCcock195

  • sf2k4 said...

    Can you provide me with proof of this from RECENT history?

    Ah ha, I was waiting for this. The most recent polling of course, the south is still VERY united.

    Now I obviously would not want this to happen. But with the issues i have already stayed in addition to the fact that they couldn't out manufacture us, nor would the anaconda plan be as effective. It would be devastating

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  • amrollZ71 said...

    Ah ha, I was waiting for this. The most recent polling of course, the south is still VERY united.

    Now I obviously would not want this to happen. But with the issues i have already stayed in addition to the fact that they couldn't out manufacture us, nor would the anaconda plan be as effective. It would be devastating

    By recent polling so you mean because all the southern states voted for Romney? That doesn't really equate to the entire south being willing to unite against the north.

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  • yellowfin said...

    Have you served? I don't get it? It's basically a contract, a term, like a ball player. When a serviceman's enlistment is up, he/she is a free agent. Where are they going? I don't even care if they are native Texans. They are going to the best option for themselves and family, like I would, and that's Texas

    Lol. How are you not getting this?

    It is like a contract. So therefore breaking it to go serve in whatever POS Texas militia you are dreaming up, would be treasonous act.

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  • You damn retards, not a South vs North issue, not even a right vs left issue.

    Texas can(and should) become sovereign

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  • yellowfin said...

    You damn retards, not a South vs North issue, not even a right vs left issue.

    Texas can(and should) become sovereign

    Inflated sense of self worth ahoy.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    By recent polling so you mean because all the southern states voted for Romney? That doesn't really equate to the entire south being willing to unite against the north.

    Indeed, but that is one indicator of the solid south that has never died out.

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  • yellowfin said...

    You damn retards, not a South vs North issue, not even a right vs left issue.

    Texas can(and should) become sovereign

    It sounds like it's a "people who ate paint chips as children vs. those who didn't" issue.

    (You're part of the former. Former means the first one. I'm saying that you ingested lead products. That causes mental disorders. I am insulting your intelligence. Let me simplify: you're dumb.)

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  • we haven't seceeded because the NCAA wouldn't allow other schools to play us in football as an independent nation.

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  • But in reality there isn't anything in the Texas Constitution that states we can vote to seceded.

    But there isn't anything explicitly forbidding Texas to secede either. We voluntarily joined the Union so therefore there is a right to leave it as we never agreed not to leave the Union to become a state.

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  • This is why Texas would lose an armed insurrection:

    The entire state of Texas has about 25 million people, and we're going to assume now that every single one supports secession. Assuming Texas is in line with national averages, of those 25 million, approximately 24% are minors (~6.25 million), and 13.5% are seniors (over 65)(~3.3 million). We're now left with 15.5 million adults between the ages of 18-64.

    Of those, we can assume around a third are obese. Given that the US military is composed of professional soldiers, it seems safe to write off a further 5 million adults as incapable of keeping up with the physical rigors of fighting a war. We're left with 10.5 million men and women. Of these, I think it'd be safe to say that at least a quarter wouldn't support secession. You're down to around 8 million.

    Of those 8 million, we can assume that a further quarter of this group is physically incapable of waging warfare due to age, sickness, physical stature, psychological makeup, or what have you. You're now left with a mere 6 million men and women in the entire state capable of waging war.

    Meanwhile, the US has approximately 3 million active and reservist armed forces available, and an additional 114 million non-Texan men and women between the ages of 18-49 fit for military service. Even assuming that all Texas-born soldiers on active and reservist duty repatriate and fight for Texas, that only accounts for around 1/12 of the active military personnel (based on Texas' percentage of the US population).

    So, before we even count weapons, Texas is looking at a disadvantage of only 250,000 soldiers to the U.S.' 2,750,000, and 6 million citizen-soldiers to the U.S.' 114 million. And this isn't even getting into the tactical advantage the US will have with the Navy, Air Force, and the vast majority of the U.S. arsenal kept outside Texas.

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    Frequently requested statistics for Texas.

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  • PTCcock195 said...

    Based on your political stances I find it safe to assume to you're strongly against exerting military force on foreign soil, why do you seem so certain and in support of it on domestic soil?

    What makes you think I'm in support of it? This is a ridiculous hypothetical and I responded in kind.

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  • CMXI said...

    This is why Texas would lose an armed insurrection:

    The entire state of Texas has about 25 million people, and we're going to assume now that every single one supports secession. Assuming Texas is in line with national averages, of those 25 million, approximately 24% are minors (~6.25 million), and 13.5% are seniors (over 65)(~3.3 million). We're now left with 15.5 million adults between the ages of 18-64.

    Of those, we can assume around a third are obese. Given that the US military is composed of professional soldiers, it seems safe to write off a further 5 million adults as incapable of keeping up with the physical rigors of fighting a war. We're left with 10.5 million men and women. Of these, I think it'd be safe to say that at least a quarter wouldn't support secession. You're down to around 8 million.

    Of those 8 million, we can assume that a further quarter of this group is physically incapable of waging warfare due to age, sickness, physical stature, psychological makeup, or what have you. You're now left with a mere 6 million men and women in the entire state capable of waging war.

    Meanwhile, the US has approximately 3 million active and reservist armed forces available, and an additional 114 million non-Texan men and women between the ages of 18-49 fit for military service. Even assuming that all Texas-born soldiers on active and reservist duty repatriate and fight for Texas, that only accounts for around 1/12 of the active military personnel (based on Texas' percentage of the US population).

    So, before we even count weapons, Texas is looking at a disadvantage of only 250,000 soldiers to the U.S.' 2,750,000, and 6 million citizen-soldiers to the U.S.' 114 million. And this isn't even getting into the tactical advantage the US will have with the Navy, Air Force, and the vast majority of the U.S. arsenal kept outside Texas.

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  • Elderpanda said...

    Yea it's pretty sad that people think that any people still think that secession would end in anything other than the US completely suppressing the revolution as violently and as quickly as possible.

    This.

    If a state tried to secede the US government would slaughter those people very quickly just as Abraham Lincoln did in the Civil War. That wasn't really about slavery. It was about Lincoln not believing state's have the right to secede from the Union, meaning Federal Government overrules states' rights.

    You all should read Lincoln's Marxists.

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