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The idea that everyone should go to college

  • ...is, in my opinion, one of the dumbest mindsets present today.

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    BornToBeRed

  • BornToBeRed said...

    ...is, in my opinion, one of the dumbest mindsets present today.

    I agree. It's a waste of time for people like Roman Abramovich, Paul Allen, Bill Gates, and Larry Ellison. But at least they gave it a shot.

    This post was edited by FSU BearFSUx0 on 7/6/2012 at 11:50 AM

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    FSU BearFSUx0

  • Pretty sure college has become a social thing for most and has put our country in debt because of kids taking out $60,000 loans and taking general studies for four years.

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    MaizeandBlue21

  • FSU Bear said...

    I agree. It's a waste of time for people like Roman Abramovich, Paul Allen, Bill Gates, and Larry Ellison. But at least they gave it a shot.

    I'm thinking more along the lines of those who could succeed at a technical school and solidify a career in the service industry but instead bog themselves down in student loans because they're told they have to in order to succeed.

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    BornToBeRed

  • BornToBeRed said...

    I'm thinking more along the lines of those who could succeed at a technical school and solidify a career in the service industry but instead bog themselves down in student loans because they're told they have to in order to succeed.

    Exactly.

    A lot of people have a lot of unneccessary debt in jobs that they don't need their degree for.

    GPie

  • BornToBeRed said...

    I'm thinking more along the lines of those who could succeed at a technical school and solidify a career in the service industry but instead bog themselves down in student loans because they're told they have to in order to succeed.

    Fully agree

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    Ichabod

  • I'd go as far as to say that the government should cancel subsidized loans to arts and humanities degrees.

    GPie

  • BornToBeRed said...

    I'm thinking more along the lines of those who could succeed at a technical school and solidify a career in the service industry but instead bog themselves down in student loans because they're told they have to in order to succeed.

    I only know one who is going to get hammered paying off student loans, but he went to med school so I think he'll recover (currently doing his radiologist residency in Spartanburg, SC). But I know there are tons and it's a shame that the idea has been drilled into their head.

    I and many of the people I were friends with at FSU were lucky enough to graduate with zero debt - Mostly because of Bright Futures Scholarships. I've been out of school since Spring of 2010 and still have never even applied for a credit card.

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  • GPie said...

    I'd go as far as to say that the government should cancel subsidized loans to arts and humanities degrees.

    ut oh.....

    WRobins

  • WRobins said...

    ut oh.....

    Saddling young people with debt to get a degree that won't help them find a job does more harm than good.

    GPie

  • GPie said...

    I'd go as far as to say that the government should cancel subsidized loans to arts and humanities degrees.

    Absolutely.

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    Clemson

  • My aunt made the stupid decision to go to college twice, she is now 36 and is still living with her parents(my grandparents), she pays no rent or bills and she only eats the food her parents provide, basically she has no luxuries because of this i'm pretty sure she hasn't had a boyfriend in like 9 years. All this despite the fact she has a good job, that's what student loan debts do for you. This was the primary reason I decided not to go to college.

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    UChucky161861

  • Getting to the point where college isn't worth it, to be honest.

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    psubills62

  • GPie said...

    Saddling young people with debt to get a degree that won't help them find a job does more harm than good.

    Of course you could just question the judgement of anyone that applies for student loans for a worthless degree. Should the governement also cancel home loans that went bad because of a failing housing market?

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    DrStache

  • I was talking to my friends the other day about this. If I had a 16 year old son I'd tell him to start working at a Chic Fil A or other excellent food service company. He'd be a manager at 20, start taking night classes in management to get a A.D., manager of a few stores by 25, own one by 28, own 3 by 35, own 10 by 40.....retire at 25OK a year at 45.

    Or some similar

    fsufsu

  • I went to college for the good times

    LScootU

  • What happened to doing what makes you happy? I mean, I'm an exception 'cause graphic design is an art discipline that actually pays (and pays well) but if everyone became an engineer, no one would have a job.

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    sf2k4

  • sf2k4 said...

    What happened to doing what makes you happy? I mean, I'm an exception 'cause graphic design is an art discipline that actually pays (and pays well) but if everyone became an engineer, no one would have a job.

    People getting degrees in what makes them happy (i.e. worthless degrees) has increased our student debt to over a trillion dollars. And it's only going to get worse.

    If you want to major in basket weaving, go to a community college. If you want to be a teacher, don't go to an out of state private school where the tuition is $100K a year.

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    Clemson

  • TP30 said...

    Should the governement also cancel home loans that went bad because of a failing housing market?

    Uh, duh.

    Government subsidy of bad mortgages is kind of what kicked off the current recession in the first place.

    Thinking "everyone should 'own' a home" is right along with "everyone should go to college" in bad ideas.

    Some people are fine renting, and some would be better off at a 6mo technical school to learn an actual skill.

    If people want to waste their own money that's fine, but public dollars shouldn't be spent to encourage that.

    GPie

  • While I agree with the OP to an extent, I think it is vital to a whole and successful society in the 21st century that as many people be well educated as possible. Obviously, one doesn't have to go to college to become a well educated person, but so many people are unable and/or unwilling to educate themselves without the constraints of a classroom structure. I think more importantly than urging a smaller percentage of the population to go to college, we need to encourage people to go to college for the right reasons. We need to encourage young people that it is okay to take 5 years off and become a (more) mature adult before going to college. Generally speaking, they'll have a few years of real work experience, which often induces a stronger work ethic in the classroom, they'll often have a little bit of savings, and they'll often better understand the value of money, which will lead to a students better handling student debt.

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    thejumper5

  • thats why post graduate degrees are now becoming a requirement for the really good jobs.

    That's why I got a Masters in advertising.

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    sf2k4

  • rms02d said...

    Unemployment among "college graduates" is only 4%, so there isn't any evidence that millions of "art majors" are prowling the streets begging for loose change.

    How do you get that number? Because its BS.

    Most college kids haven't been working enough to have unemployment insurance. When I finished my master's degree in December I couldn't find work for 3 months, but couldn't get unemployment.

    fsufsu

  • "About 1.5 million, or 53.6 percent, of bachelor's degree-holders under the age of 25 last year were jobless or underemployed, the highest share in at least 11 years."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/22/job-market-college-graduates_n_1443738.html

    GPie

  • The main thing is a kid has to know what they're going to use their degree for, preferably before they ever take a class.

    Plus colleges are manufacturing a lot of easy degrees now that really don't qualify you to do much by themselves, so you have to know if you need internships, make sure your gpa is high enough for grad school, etc.

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    daildog

  • One of the dumbest commercials I have seen questioned "what if all of our children went to college". It then described some kind of Utopian society where everyone was educated, well off and happiness reigned.

    What a load of BS.

    There is nothing wrong with a kid wanting to work in construction or on an assembly line. The problem with this country isn't that we lack kids with college degrees, it's that we don't push children to their strengths. Expecting a kid to get a liberal arts degree and "make something of themselves" is pure fantasy.

    getmyjive11