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  • In this country, it runs deep. You all know I'm am talking about the line between Republicans and Democrats.

    Can this ever be bridged? I honestly do not think so, with both of our belief systems being total opposite ms it is near impossible. I personally would never agree with them on most stances, i know that makes me part of the problem, but i would rather the country intentionally melt away than give it to the other side and watch them steer towards the cliff

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  • Yes, but only if the Republican party can return control from the Tea Party to the moderate Republicans that have dominated most of Republican history. The U.S. government only really functions with compromise from both sides. If one side is completely unwilling to compromise, the government fails to function even remotely effectively.

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  • amrollZ71 said...

    i would rather the country intentionally melt away than give it to the other side and watch them steer towards the cliff

    How can it when this is the predominant stance?

    To be quite honest, the libertarian and non-religious upswing in young adults has pretty much doomed republicans from winning another election with their current agenda. Obama is the 1st president since RR to win 51% of the vote in 2 consecutive elections.

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  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    How can it when this is the predominant stance?

    To be quite honest, the libertarian and non-religious upswing in young adults has pretty much doomed republicans from winning another election with their current agenda. Obama is the 1st president since RR to win 51% of the vote in 2 consecutive elections.

    And the Republican turnout has dropped by almost 4 million people every election since 2004. The youth vote is predominantly swinging libertarian and Democratic. Absent a MAJOR reinvention by the Republican party, bridging the gap won't matter, since the Republican party will be irrelevant in 20 years.

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  • CMXI said...

    And the Republican turnout has dropped by almost 4 million people every election since 2004. The youth vote is predominantly swinging libertarian and Democratic. Absent a MAJOR reinvention by the Republican party, bridging the gap won't matter, since the Republican party will be irrelevant in 20 years.

    Yep. It's actually sad, because I think a more open-minded (socially) republican president is a possibility.

    But for that to happen, the republican voter base is going to need to drop their stances on stuff like gay marriage, abortion, contraception access, sex-ed, etc. It is turning young people away in record numbers.

    But I can't imagine they do that, because, you know, Jesus.

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  • CMXI said...

    Yes, but only if the Republican party can return control from the Tea Party to the moderate Republicans that have dominated most of Republican history. The U.S. government only really functions with compromise from both sides. If one side is completely unwilling to compromise, the government fails to function even remotely effectively.

    Both sides are unwilling to compromise. They have been hijacked by special interest groups and the more radical portions of their electorate.

    This post was edited by BayTider on 1/16/2013 at 2:39 PM

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  • BayTider said...

    Both sides are unwilling to compromise.

    False. Obama originally wanted a single payer healthcare system, but compromised to the current 'Obamacare' bill. He's also compromised a great deal in terms of spending cuts in the 'fiscal cliff' ordeal and the debt ceiling negotiations.

    Meanwhile, 50 republican congressmen said they would rather see the US simply default on its debt than negotiate.

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  • I thought you were going to say there is a divide on Bol as to if we want rueban foster back

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  • BayTider said...

    Both sides are unwilling to compromise and have been hijacked by special interest groups and the more radical portions of their electorate.

    facepalm_msu

    It's attitudes like this that make it very easy to see how the Republican party will die off.

    Both sides do not do "it." Speaking as an objective observer here, the Republican party is the only one that has adopted a political strategy of complete obstructionism. The Republican party is the only one that has held the nation hostage with the debt limit. The Republican party is the only one with politicians like Mitch McConnell, who said that their #1 goal is to make sure that Obama was a one-term president.

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  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    False. Obama originally wanted a single payer healthcare system, but compromised to the current 'Obamacare' bill. He's also compromised a great deal in terms of spending cuts in the 'fiscal cliff' ordeal and the debt ceiling negotiations.

    Meanwhile, 50 republican congressmen said they would rather see the US simply default on its debt than negotiate.

    Reid and McConnell both admitted on 60 minutes that both sides were not willing to work with each other. It is obvious that congress is the same as the senate. You can spin it to fit your political preference, but the system is dysfuntional and both sides are to blame.

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  • BayTider said...

    Reid and McConnell both admitted on 60 minutes that both sides were not willing to work with each other. It is obvious that congress is the same as the senate. You can spin it to fit your political preference, but the system is dysfuntional and both sides are to blame.

    I'm libertarian, raised in a republican household, white, college educated, in my mid-20's, etc. etc.

    In other words, I'm exactly the voter the republican party should be listening to.

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  • CMXI said...

    1.) It's attitudes like this that make it very easy to see how the Republican party will die off.

    Both sides do not do "it." Speaking as an objective observer here, the Republican party is the only one that has adopted a political strategy of complete obstructionism. The Republican party is the only one that has held the nation hostage with the debt limit. The Republican party is the only one with politicians like Mitch McConnell, who said that their #1 goal is to make sure that Obama was a one-term president.

    One, I'm not a republican so you can throw that one out. Please explain how thinking both parties should work together is going to kill said party? Third, both sides have openly admitted to not working with one another. All you have to do is watch the Reid/McConnell interview from 60 minutes for further clarification. It's obvious that congress operates the same way.

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  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    I'm libertarian, raised in a republican household, white, college educated, in my mid-20's, etc. etc.

    In other words, I'm exactly the voter the republican party should be listening to.

    Same here, 31 years old, but they won't. I've got to be 50+ years old and wealthy for them to care.

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  • BayTider said...

    Reid and McConnell both admitted on 60 minutes that both sides were not willing to work with each other. It is obvious that congress is the same as the senate. You can spin it to fit your political preference, but the system is dysfuntional and both sides are to blame.

    It's not spin when one side literally has a policy of refusing to work with the President.

    Yes, the system needs work, but in this issue of compromise and working together, one side is very, very clearly at fault.

    Case in point: in the fiscal cliff negotiations, Obama came up considerably from his initial demands (Bush Tax Cuts permanent for only those under $250K, he bumped up to $400K), but the Republican House contingent couldn't even agree on a plan among their own people (a plan that was still well off Obama's targets). If the Republican can't even present a unified front beyond merely obstructing Obama, it's pretty disgusting.

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  • CMXI said...

    It's not spin when one side literally has a policy of refusing to work with the President.

    Yes, the system needs work, but in this issue of compromise and working together, one side is very, very clearly at fault.

    Case in point: in the fiscal cliff negotiations, Obama came up considerably from his initial demands (Bush Tax Cuts permanent for only those under $250K, he bumped up to $400K), but the Republican House contingent couldn't even agree on a plan among their own people (a plan that was still well off Obama's targets). If the Republican can't even present a unified front beyond merely obstructing Obama, it's pretty disgusting.

    I'm not arguing that they aren't a perfect case study for a cluster fugg. however, i clearly don't agree that the dems are not at fault as well. I guess this is where you start demanding links right? lol

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  • CMXI said...

    It's not spin when one side literally has a policy of refusing to work with the President.

    Yes, the system needs work, but in this issue of compromise and working together, one side is very, very clearly at fault.

    Case in point: in the fiscal cliff negotiations, Obama came up considerably from his initial demands (Bush Tax Cuts permanent for only those under $250K, he bumped up to $400K), but the Republican House contingent couldn't even agree on a plan among their own people (a plan that was still well off Obama's targets). If the Republican can't even present a unified front beyond merely obstructing Obama, it's pretty disgusting.

    What's worse to me is the number of congressman who said they would not negotiate at all and preferred the US go into default.

    That's just idiocy.

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  • The right President can unite them

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  • BayTider said...

    I'm not arguing that they aren't a perfect case study for a cluster fugg. however, i clearly don't agree that the dems are not at fault as well. I guess this is where you start demanding links right? lol

    I'm not saying that the Democrats are 100% blameless, but the amount that they're unwilling to work with Republicans hasn't changed over the last 30-40 years, and it's no different than the extent to which moderate Republicans don't want to work with Democrats. However, that amount of unwillingness is completely negligible and irrelevant when the Republicans aren't willing to work at all.

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  • I figured I would see most of what was posted in this thread. Democrats blaming the Republicans almost exclusively. While I do agree the Republicans need to fix certain things, dropping their stance on half their issues would be ridiculous. That's like asking a lion not to eat meat. Morals and stances shouldn't be just dropped because you are losing the fight.

    It's crazy things like that which really make the democrats just as hypocritical as they say the Republicans are.

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  • amrollZ71 said...

    I figured I would see most of what was posted in this thread. Democrats blaming the Republicans almost exclusively. While I do agree the Republicans need to fix certain things, dropping their stance on half their issues would be ridiculous. That's like asking a lion not to eat meat. Morals and stances shouldn't be just dropped because you are losing the fight.

    It's crazy things like that which really make the democrats just as hypocritical as they say the Republicans are.

    The problem is that they have been in large part hijacked by the tea party. The tea party wants things 100% their way, and they expect any official that they elected to push their platform, seemingly, without exception. The problem is that there is no such thing as getting 100% of your platform, and it has significantly deteriorated the statesmanship demonstrated by those elected officials. Then combine that with an unwillingness to meet the demands of the right by the left, and there you have it; dysfunctional government.

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    BayTider

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