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Thorpe Award Discussion

  • Roflcopter118 said...

    I see your point, but I think that's slightly less applicable to a safety, particularly one who's used in so many ways like Thomas is.

    I'm not really using that to argue against the Fresno guy, I just like the idea of taking the overall effect a guy has into consideration.

    Gary Dodson

  • Gary Dodson said...

    I'm not really using that to argue against the Fresno guy, I just like the idea of taking the overall effect a guy has into consideration.

    Yeah, I know that, was just throwing my $.02 out there. Kinda interesting how different a safety's role can be from that of a CB, makes me wish there was a separate award for the 2 different positions.

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  • Roflcopter118 said...

    makes me wish there was a separate award for the 2 different positions.

    I agree 100%

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  • WhatAboutBobby said...

    Would've voted Milliner by a mile until the Texas A&M game. He was simply embarrassed by them. Coincidentally, he hasn't been impressive in either of their games against ranked opponents this season.

    Had an amazing game against Michigan. They're ranked.

    He hasn't been perfect but he's had a great year. He'll probably win the Thorpe and be a 1st rounder in next year's draft. Really improved since he was thrown in the fire as a true frosh in 2010. Took some lumps that year but it has helped make him one of the best now.

    HADOUKEN

  • RTR13 said...

    Had an amazing game against Michigan. They're ranked.

    He hasn't been perfect but he's had a great year. He'll probably win the Thorpe and be a 1st rounder in next year's draft. Really improved since he was thrown in the fire as a true frosh in 2010. Took some lumps that year but it has helped make him one of the best now.

    Although he did get away with pass interference against Michigan on the interception, let's not overrate them.

    Their QB is a terrible passer, they're 8-3 with two blowout losses, they haven't beaten a ranked team all year, and they have yet to play 11-0 Ohio State.

    Do you see how ridiculous it sounds when you're flaunting him by referencing the first game of the season against the (at-best) 3rd best team in the B1G?

    Denard Robinson is averaging less than 150 yards passing per game. He's awful.

    WhatAboutBobby

  • WhatAboutBobby said...

    Although he did get away with pass interference against Michigan on the interception, let's not overrate them.

    Their QB is a terrible passer, they're 8-3 with two blowout losses, they haven't beaten a ranked team all year, and they have yet to play 11-0 Ohio State.

    Do you see how ridiculous it sounds when you're flaunting him by referencing the first game of the season against the (at-best) 3rd best team in the B1G?

    Denard Robinson is averaging less than 150 yards passing per game. He's awful.

    That probably means he'll have a hell of a game on Satuday. coffee

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  • Im gonna laugh when Jonathan banks wins. His number aren't as impressive because teams don't throw his way much. He has only been beat bad 1 time all year when he wasn't but about 80%

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  • deltadawg82 said...

    Im gonna laugh when Jonathan banks wins. His number aren't as impressive because teams don't throw his way much. He has only been beat bad 1 time all year when he wasn't but about 80%

    He was anally abused against Alabama.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    He was anally abused against Alabama.

    1 play. That's it

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  • deltadawg82 said...

    1 play. That's it

    I remember more than one.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I remember more than one.

    I just watched the game yesterday. Nope 1 play he was clearly beat

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  • Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, semi-finalist who could have made a case for a finalist

    35 solo, 14 assist (well more, ESPN didn't have available stats against Cal)
    3 ints, 1 TD
    6 FF
    18 PBU

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  • With this being an "off year" for DBU. I really don't care but Banks and Thomas are better than milliner.

    Red7Red7Red7

  • Red7Red7Red7 said...

    With this being an "off year" for DBU. I really don't care but Banks and Thomas are better than milliner.

    I know right? I bet they both get drafted higher. fingergun

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  • OCanada said...

    Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, semi-finalist who could have made a case for a finalist

    35 solo, 14 assist (well more, ESPN didn't have available stats against Cal)
    3 ints, 1 TD
    6 FF
    18 PBU

    Yup Ifo's a beast. The finalists are all going to the nfl next year. Ifo still has two more years. He'll be a finalist next year and the following year especially if he keeps progressing which I think he will. He jumped leaps and bounds from his freshmen year to his sophmore year. He'll be a future 1st or 2nd rounder in the draft. So will Mitchell imo.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I know right? I bet they both get drafted higher. fingergun

    I didn't say that. I just meant they're having better years.

    Red7Red7Red7

  • Red7Red7Red7 said...

    I didn't say that. I just meant they're having better years.

    You originally said "are better".

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  • Keep-On-Ducking said...

    Yup Ifo's a beast. The finalists are all going to the nfl next year. Ifo still has two more years. He'll be a finalist next year and the following year especially if he keeps progressing which I think he will. He jumped leaps and bounds from his freshmen year to his sophmore year. He'll be a future 1st or 2nd rounder in the draft. So will Mitchell imo.

    roflmao

    z28 foody

  • WhatAboutBobby said...

    Would've voted Milliner by a mile until the Texas A&M game. He was simply embarrassed by them. Coincidentally, he hasn't been impressive in either of their games against ranked opponents this season.

    What a dumb post

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  • z28 foody said...

    roflmao

    Not sure why that's so hilariously with the success of Byrd and Chung in the NFL, Ifo is very much in that style of player. Plays with a physicality, one of the surest tacklers I've ever seen (the reasons he has 6 FFs this year), and his coverage skills will continue to improve. Not calling him a certain round pick at this point he's only a true sophomore this year but I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up going pro.

    I myself am not sure of Mitchell, its harder to tell because QBs have been targeting Ifo more this year. He was seen as the better CB, but I've always thought Ifo would end up better and that seems to be the case now IMO.

    This post was edited by OCanada on 11/21/2012 at 8:18 PM

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Milliner, Alabama (through 10 games)
    2 INT
    28 solo, 17 ast
    4.0 TFL
    1.5 sacks
    FF
    14 PBU

    Thomas, Fresno State (through 11 games)
    8 INT (3TD)
    58 solo, 15 ast
    10.5 TFL
    3.0 sacks
    3 FF
    4 PBU

    Banks, Miss State (through 11 games)
    4 INT
    34 solo, 22 ast
    2 TFL
    FF
    6 PBU

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    This Thomas kid has insane stats. Personally I think PBU is the most important statistic, so I think that is huge for Milliner. How do y'all think this plays out?

    Fresno St. kid is owning ^^^this discussion. I'd be willing to bet he has faced much better passing teams too. We all know the SEC passing game is behind the 8 ball, not counting A&M. Bama was torched by A&M and LSU. Fresno St. kid wins, congrats to him.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    aTm: Season high 10 tackles, .5 sack, 1 PD
    LSU: 8 tackles*, season high 2 TFLs

    *second highest for the season

    Don't think that's coincidence. A&M and LSU threw all over Bama. Obviously he was a busy man trying to tackle their WR's. How many times was Millner tested against those 2 teams and how many were completed for how many yards? Please list drops by receivers too.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    That's why 25% of his tackles in the LSU were TFL. I guess he got beat so hard the dude went back behind the LOS for fun. Come on now. Alabama blitzes DBs like crazy.

    By the way, Banks is so much better he is projected as the first DB picked and sixth overall...oh wait...no. That's Dee.

    We've already discussed his draft status. Won't be top 6, maybe 10th at best. Unless you are a complete shutdown CB you aren't getting drafted top 8..

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    That probably means he'll have a hell of a game on Satuday. coffee

    At RBlol

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  • Star:

    I wouldn't even know where to look except to rewatching and do my own statistics to find drop balls and receiver yardage.

    If you noticed by the way the number of TFLs and sacks in those high-tackle games, you'd see that blitzing is a part of our defense. I'm not saying he didn't have to go tackle a recorder that beat Fulton like he stole something, but just because LSU and aTm had a lot of passing yards, that doesn't necessarily mean they were on Milliner.

    Also, Milliner is, without a doubt, the best CB in this draft class and the best CB in football. After he balls out the next three games and then puts stupid numbers at the combine, he will easily be a Top 8 pick, maybe higher depending on team need.

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