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Thoughts on this NCAA letter to Miami

  • I don't agree with them using the word of a convict as fact if someone who isn't required to talk to them doesn't talk to them. confused They should only be allowed to use what they can prove. But the NCAA thinks they are Roger Goodell and do what they want.

    WillieMuffcramp

  • abs_da_don said...

    Yes the word of billion-dollar ponzi schemer.

    They are asking for the word of the other side of the story and obviously aren't getting it. If you have nothing to hide then talk to the NCAA. He said it now defend the position or suffer the consequences. Not real hard to understand.

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    kitemac

  • McSt[]_[]dly said...

    I don't agree with them using the word of a convict as fact if someone who isn't required to talk to them doesn't talk to them. confused They should only be allowed to use what they can prove. But the NCAA thinks they are Roger Goodell and do what they want.

    This isn't a court room. They don't have to prove anything.

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    kitemac

  • ilovelamp51 said...

    I think this might be the first step where the NCAA will have to answer to federal courts instead of their own.

    I'm pumped.

    Why would they go to federal court because of this?

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    kitemac

  • McSt[]_[]dly said...

    I don't agree with them using the word of a convict as fact if someone who isn't required to talk to them doesn't talk to them. confused They should only be allowed to use what they can prove. But the NCAA thinks they are Roger Goodell and do what they want.

    NCAA is giving UM and the players every chance to tell their side of the story. If they refuse, then what do you expect the NCAA to do? They only have one side of the story because they other side refused to talk. That is admission of guilt.

    The hammer will be dropped.

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    MarineMountie

  • abs_da_don said...

    So when did extortion become legal and when did the word of billion-dollar ponzi schemer become the truth ?

    Shapiro is a witness. A firsthand witness with documentary evidence. The NCAA is entitled to believe what he says. And this is not extortion. If it were, the Miami-Dade prosecutor or Florida AG would be stepping in to prosecute someone. This is the NCAA telling witnesses to come forward or forever hold their peace because the NCAA train of corrupt justice is about to leave the station without them. Is it sleazy and a bully tactic? Absolutely. Is it further proof that the NCAA really doesn't care about getting to the truth but just intends to do whatever the frick they want in each situation? Absolutely. But we already knew that. If they at least had to follow some reasonable set of rules, maybe it wouldn't be so bad. But post the PSU situation, they don't. Rules don't apply to the NCAA. They are free to do (or not do - see UNC academic scandal) whatever they want.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 11/21/2012 at 10:57 AM

    MrWoodson

  • MarineMountie said...

    NCAA is giving UM and the players every chance to tell their side of the story. If they refuse, then what do you expect the NCAA to do? They only have one side of the story because they other side refused to talk. That is admission of guilt.

    The hammer will be dropped.

    They can use the evidence provided by the players that had to talk. Not the ones that by NCAA rules didn't have to talk. You shouldn't be able to convict using evidence that doesn't exist or something you can't prove. Is all I'm saying.

    WillieMuffcramp

  • I am pretty sure I have seen credit card receipts where Shapiro paid for certain items/services. If those are legit, there is a burden of proof/disclaim on behalf of the players to disprove that the items/services were not for the purpose noted by Shapiro.

    I would think if the allegations were false and the players wanted to clear themselves and their U of wrongdoing it would be pretty simple to talk and tell NCAA this guy(shapiro) was BS.

    WRobins

  • McSt[]_[]dly said...

    They can use the evidence provided by the players that had to talk. Not the ones that by NCAA rules didn't have to talk. You shouldn't be able to convict using evidence that doesn't exist or something you can't prove. Is all I'm saying.

    What NCAA rules?

    Sincerely,

    Mark Emmert

    lol

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    What NCAA rules?

    Sincerely,

    Mark Emmert

    lol

    I'm just sad. That is all. cry

    WillieMuffcramp

  • LScootU said...

    Yep they get in their boats and go back to Cuba

    Clearly you haven't had a Mojito in Cuba...worth then40 mile trip IMO

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  • McSt[]_[]dly said...

    I'm just sad. That is all. cry

    I don't blame you. It sucks. I can't believe the presidents of the major schools are willing to put up with this crap. Miami almost certainly violated a ton of rules and deserves to be sanctioned, but it should be done via an honest and ethical process and not at the whim of a corrupt dictator.

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    Everyone applauded when they threw out the rules when dealing with PSU. Now it's your turn. I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. Don't worry though. I'm sure Mark Emmert is a man of honesty and integrity. It should all work out just fine.

    This is spot on.

    And to the people saying PSU's situation was worse - you're right. But what does that matter? NCAA will do what it wants to. Who exactly is going to stop them?

    If you throw out the rules in one case and everyone lets them, then what is going to stop them from doing it in other proceeding cases?

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    psubills62

  • McSt[]_[]dly said...

    I don't agree with them using the word of a convict as fact if someone who isn't required to talk to them doesn't talk to them. confused They should only be allowed to use what they can prove. But the NCAA thinks they are Roger Goodell and do what they want.

    Lmao, they believed a convicted felon in our case.... Good luck man.

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    ProUSC

  • That's the way our legal system should work. Hey we have these concerns and this person is saying that you did this, We looked into it and we have our suspicions. You have chosen not to respond in any way shape or form for help us with this investigation if you continue to do so we will assume that you are guilty.

    TNoles813

  • Both things are true:

    1. Miami is in deep trouble; and
    2. Regardless, someone needs to put the NCAA in their place, they are out of control.

    NCAA will try to pull a PSU on Miami--"agree and consent to punishment "A" or we will really make you pay." Hopefully Miami does not wilt like PSU and puts up a fight.

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    comesatime

  • LOL....So if an accused trespasser refuses to testify on his own behalf against a guy who claims he tresspassed, then the trespasser can sue the court system?

    This is rich...keep going.

    This post was edited by Murrdawg69 on 11/21/2012 at 11:51 AM

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  • abs_da_don said...

    when did the word of billion-dollar ponzi schemer become the truth ?

    SC laughs at that comment

    dukeb15 ●

  • Murrdawg69 said...

    LOL....So if an accused trespasser refuses to testify on his own behalf against a guy who claims he tresspassed, then the trespasser can sue the court system?

    This is rich...keep going.

    Hey remember in Liar Liar when his secretary had a friend who got sued by the burglar that got hurt breaking into her house? He sued and won..there is precedent.

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    BBucksorBeGone8 ●

  • You guys need someone in the offices like Ohio State...

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    BBucksorBeGone8 ●

  • Interesting article. The only thing I disagree with is that I don't believe for a moment that Mark Emmert's "heart is in the right place". He's incompetent and corrupt. But the net results are equally bad, so it really doesn't matter which you believe.

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8640624/shabazz-muhammad-case-shows-how-ncaa-system-work-men-college-basketball

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 11/21/2012 at 11:58 AM

    MrWoodson

  • It's amazing to me how fans think no wrong, whatever the degree, committed by their coaches/boosters/AD deserve any real punishment. Bama fans included.

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  • McSt[]_[]dly said...

    They can use the evidence provided by the players that had to talk. Not the ones that by NCAA rules didn't have to talk. You shouldn't be able to convict using evidence that doesn't exist or something you can't prove. Is all I'm saying.

    The NCAA is wanting to talk to every player involved, which evidence was provided. If they don't come foward with evidence suggesting Shapiro is lying, then Miami will get what they deserve.

    If this were court and the state has evidence that you are guilty of a crime and the defendant has no rebuttal, then you are presumed guilty.

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    Macdaddy7930

  • ilovelamp51 said...

    Last time I checked, extortion was illegal as a pretty big deal to our legal system. Why would the federal courts care if baseball players are juicing? Why would they care about bounty gate? The NCAA is the biggest bunch of crooks out there... It won't be long (not saying this is the straw that breaks the camels back) before our government intervenes IMO.

    Good luck with that.

    MrWoodson

  • ilovelamp51 said...

    Last time I checked, extortion was illegal as a pretty big deal to our legal system. Why would the federal courts care if baseball players are juicing? Why would they care about bounty gate? The NCAA is the biggest bunch of crooks out there... It won't be long (not saying this is the straw that breaks the camels back) before our government intervenes IMO.

    I know Miami fans are upset, but I fail to see where the federal court comes into play here. NCAA has one side of the story. They are giving the other side the chance to make their case known as well. If they refuse to talk, they are admitting guilt.

    What is the issue here that Miami fans are seeing? I honestly have no idea, that is why I keep asking.

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    MarineMountie

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