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Top RB's in college 2012

  • BubbaT said...

    If I were a Michigan fan I would be worried about Denard's health the first weekend of September.

    I am, he isn't a very big guy and he is a risk to be knocked out of the game no matter who Michigan is playing.

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  • 4/10.

    Nicolae

  • bamabum5 said...

    You're being a homer. I don't know the ranks of defenses but looking at splits, here are some key stats:

    4th Quarter stats:

    TR - 58 carries for 454 yards 6 TDs
    MB - 45 carries for 288 yards 5 TDs

    Against ranked opponents(AP):

    TR - 115 carries for 603 yards 5 TDs
    MB - 132 carries for 713 yards 13 TDs

    The one argument the could be made is the margin of victory when TDs were scored. Stats when team was leading by 22+ points:

    TR - 17 carries for 259 yards 6 TDs
    MB - 51 carries for 460 yards 15 TDs

    One could say that TR had to face LSU twice and MB had a better passing offense with Russel Wilson but Ball had a very good season for Wisky. Don't shortchange the guy.

    I wasn't, I gave him his due. I just think he got too many carries when his team was up, way past the point TR would have been pulled.

    And again, with the ranked opponents stats, Bama faced the No. 2 defense twice. Ball would hardly have fared better against LSU.

    Can you show me the average defense ranking for each? Including the avg. defense ranking of ranked teams played?

    TalHawkins112

  • bamabum5 said...

    Serious question, why didn't Ball come out after his Jr year? It isn't a very deep draft for RBs this year. Where is he projecting at the next level. Not a flame, I'm curious. I thought he would come out this year and be the 2nd back taken.

    He wants to win the Heisman trophy thats why. He probably felt it was his last year

    lumocolor2012

  • I think the top backs, if healthy, coming into the season are Kniles Davis and Marcus Lattimore.

    I would point out that I wouldn't sleep on Lacy just because some say he hasn't "shown anything yet."

    With the line coming back, if Alabama has the success that they should have, Lacy will be in the mix for Heisman consideration. Remember, the Heisman is a hype award given to a top player on a top team or a player that has recently shown out on National TV. If it went to the best offensive player, it would have been between Luck, Blackmon, and Richardson last year.

    When you look at Lacy's numbers, the natural progression is right there in the mix that Ingram and Richardson has as well.

    Ingram in 2008: 143 carries, 728 yards (5.09 per) 12 TDs
    Richardson in 2010: 112 carries, 700 yards (6.25) 6 TDs
    Lacy in 2010: 56 carries, 406 yards(7.25) 6 TDs
    Lacy in 2011: 95 carries, 674 yards(7.09) 7 TDs and limited the last 7 games due to injury and missed the Vandy game. Actually sat at of Spring practice to rehab.

    Having said that, I would still put Lattimore and Davis ahead of him in the SEC alone. I also like Burkhead (although he averages less than 5 yrds a carry) and Ball in the B1G, but I would put Silas Redd as the top back in the B1G as far as what he could potentially do. I also like Michigan St's 4 deep RB's to be almost like the situation at LSU where there are 3 or 4 guys that can get it done, if not the one elite caliber guy.

    I also wouldn't sleep on Zac Stacy (Vanderbilt), Henry Josey (Mizzou), Marcus Coker (Iowa), Lamar Miller (Miami), Goivani Bernard (UNC), Joseph Randle (OSU), Curtis McNeal (USC), or Waymon James (TCU).

    This seems to be a very deep year for RB's in college football, IMO.

    Note: Did not read the list linked, so some or most of these may have been mentioned.

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    Lamar Miller (Miami)

    Miller is gone

    stoptothink

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    You could say that about any RB. TR faced plenty of piss poor defenses last season. If Ball isn't the #1 back who is?

    How can you say that about any RB? Im not saying Ball isnt the best rb, but he faced far worse defenses than anybody in the SEC. Name one game where Saban let TR pad his stats...

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    If I was a Bama fan I would be worried if a true Freshman RB was able to run show on the defense.

    You mean like every RB that has faced your team the last 10 years?

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  • stoptothink said...

    Miller is gone

    I guess I should stoptothink.

    Didn't know he left though.

    Personally I would want Davis or Redd though if I had to chose a back based on talent.

    I like Lattimore as well though. He reminds me of Shaun Alexander when he was at Bama. There is no one thing you can point at that screams he is the best, but he is so well rounded and does everything well.

    BetterOff

  • BubbaT said...

    If I were a Michigan fan I would be worried about Denard's health the first weekend of September.

    Oh snap.

    If I were an Alabama fan I'd be worried about Denard running for like 200 yards. Denard starts off on fire when he's healthy, then he gets beat up in the middle of the season after he's ran the ball like 100-150 times.

    supermario9

  • SickNaban said...

    You mean like every RB that has faced your team the last 10 years?

    Ummm...no?

    Rich Rodriguez coached for 3 years, not 10. Thanks for noticing though.

    supermario9

  • SickNaban said...

    You mean like every RB that has faced your team the last 10 years?

    Yup, because 3 years of bad defense = 10 years. Forgot the Bama logic variable in my equation.

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  • supermario9 said...

    Oh snap.

    If I were an Alabama fan I'd be worried about Denard running for like 200 yards. Denard starts off on fire when he's healthy, then he gets beat up in the middle of the season after he's ran the ball like 100-150 times.

    Im not worried at all about him scrambling, he's gonna have to prove he can throw it first or it could end up like the title game last year.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Yup, because 3 years of bad defense = 10 years. Forgot the Bama logic variable in my equation.

    So the other 7 years that you guys sucked was because of bad offense?

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  • SickNaban said...

    Im not worried at all about him scrambling, he's gonna have to prove he can throw it first or it could end up like the title game last year.

    I'll bet you Saban is worried about Denard scrambling.

    Denard isn't just some QB that can run a little bit esse. The guy will be the fastest, most athletic player on the field in JerryWorld and he plays freaking QB.

    Miss a tackle, take a bad angle, and boom he could be gone for a 70 yard TD like that.

    Alabama hasn't seen a QB with his speed. Luckily for Alabama though he is a streaaaaky passer.

    supermario9

  • SickNaban said...

    So the other 7 years that you guys sucked was because of bad offense?

    We sucked for 7 years? For the 13 years prior to RR Michigan went 122-40, not exactly terrible.

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  • SickNaban said...

    So the other 7 years that you guys sucked was because of bad offense?

    lol.

    Our worst record before Rich Rodriguez was 7-5. We lost those 5 games by a combined 21 points. We also beat the team that finished the season #4 in the country that year in Penn State. Every other year was like at least 9 wins. A few 10 win seasons and an 11 win season as well. But yeah, that is really the definition of sucking. roflmao

    supermario9

  • maize&blue21 said...

    We sucked for 7 years? For the 13 years prior to RR Michigan went 122-40, not exactly terrible.

    Im sorry, that is good for michigan, we measure success in titles down here though.

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  • SickNaban said...

    Im sorry, that is good for michigan, we measure success in titles down here though.

    That's nice and all but Alabama shouldn't have even been in the title game this year, but since they won everyone thinks it's OK to have had the rematch occur, even though LSU went to T-town and beat Bama on their home field.

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  • SickNaban said...

    You mean like every RB that has faced your team the last 10 years?

    If going 5-2 since the 1998-99 season against the SEC in bowl games is sucking, I will take it.

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  • supermario9 said...

    Oh snap.

    If I were an Alabama fan I'd be worried about Denard running for like 200 yards. Denard starts off on fire when he's healthy, then he gets beat up in the middle of the season after he's ran the ball like 100-150 times.

    I wouldn't say he starts fast because he is healthy. I would look at the teams that Michigan has played the last 2 years in September before I came to that conclusion.

    UCONN
    Notre Dame
    UMASS
    Bowling Green

    Western Michigan
    Notre Dame
    Eastern Michigan
    San Diego St

    I would look at what happened each year against the best defense he faced each year myself.

    2011 against Michigan St in a 14-28 loss

    9-24 123 yards, 1 TD-1 Int
    18 carries for 42 yards

    2010 against Ohio St in a 7-37 loss

    8-18 87 yards, 0-0
    18 carries for 105 yards

    Then when you look at the other 2 top 10 defenses he faced last year,

    Illinois

    6-10 92 yds 0-1
    12 carries for 30 yards, 2 TD

    Virginia Tech

    9-21 117 2-1
    13 carries for 13 yards

    When you add all the games against top 10 defenses, he averages out to:

    8.0-18.25 (43.8%) 104.75 yards, 0.75 Tds- 0.75 Ints
    15.25 carries for 47.5 yards (3.1 per) 0.75 Tds.

    I wouldn't say starting fast is his strength. I would say that he shines against less than stellar competition.

    BetterOff

  • SickNaban said...

    Im sorry, that is good for michigan, we measure success in titles down here though.

    If you don't remember, Alabama absolutely blew before Saban showed up. You guys had a worse record than 122-40 over the the same time span, so cut the bullshit out. Then again, you're a Bama fan, so everything after Bear and before Saban doesn't actually count.

    Jack Daniels

  • Lloyd Carr -

    1995- 9-4
    1996- 8-4
    1997- 12-0
    1998- 10-3
    1999- 10-2
    2000- 9-3
    2001- 8-4
    2002- 10-3
    2003- 10-3
    2004- 9-3
    2005- 7-5
    2006- 11-2
    2007- 9-4

    Definitely lots of sucking.

    Alabama?

    1995- 8-3
    1996- 10-3
    1997- 4-7
    1998- 7-5
    1999- 10-3
    2000- 3-8
    2001- 7-5
    2002- 10-3
    2003- 4-9
    2004- 6-6
    2005- 0-2
    2006- 0-7
    2007- 2-6

    Looks to me like Michigan got a turd who derailed their program after 2007, and that Alabama got a gem who took a dormant program and brought them back to life.

    supermario9

  • SickNaban said...

    Im sorry, that is good for michigan, we measure success in titles down here though.

    Double post.

    This post was edited by Jack Daniels on 4/22/2012 at 11:23 AM

    Jack Daniels

  • SickNaban said...

    Im sorry, that is good for michigan, we measure success in titles down here though.

    wow you are an idiot.

    supermario9