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Final Countdown said...
How's that relevant? The Constitution overrules any contrary treaties. Plus, this treaty explicitly reserves the issue of gun ownership to individual states. Plus, this treaty is about preventing illicit arms smuggling to terrorist groups and militias, not about taking away American gun rights.
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amrollZ71 said...
Whenever countries do start implementing some of the more questionable policies i will lol at everyone.
And what is.so hard to believe about people in powerful positions betraying their fellow man? I mean its absurd to.think that could happen, wait thats history Lord you people are stupid.
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I don't know why the US even has anything to do with the United Nations. We need to worry about our own shit and stay out of other people's shit.
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rollingtide2004 said...
Please explain how the United States not meddling in foreign countries' problems started WWII
This post was edited by deltadawg82 on 11/8/2012 at 5:07 PM
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rollingtide2004 said...
Give them an inch and they take a mile. I don't know why the US even has anything to do with the United Nations. We need to worry about our own shit and stay out of other people's shit.
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joetheogre said...
You are an idiot.
The UN is just a vehicle for multinational treaties. The US has on many occasions told the UN to fuck off and has ignored them. The US happens to agree with this treaty and thus is voluntarily decided to abide by the conditions.
But by all means continue to think that the US just singed over its national sovereignty.
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joetheogre said...
-We chose not to participate in the League of Nations
-The League of Nations lost legitimacy
-Without the US in the League, the League had no teeth
-Other Countries pulled out
-This helped precipitate the events that led to WWIIThe line of logic isn't hard to follow. The US (and many other countries) took isolationist attitudes after WWI. Everyone wanted to worry about themselves and not the world at large. With no powers involved enough to check their growth, countries like Italy, Japan, and Germany were able to get away with what they did and start another world war.
Take a damn history class.
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amrollZ71 said...
And you have literally no knowledge of the inner workings of the UN, nor do you have any knowledge of history in general.
The question is why art thou so angry?
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joetheogre said...
Aren't you the same guy who compared the present day United States to the Late Roman Empire last week? I don't think you're in a position to lecture anyone on history.
I am angry because other people are so ignorant.
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amrollZ71 said...
While i certainly could, i dont have the available information and don't want to hunt for it on the.internet.
Either way that is against the point. History shows us that our fellow man can't be trusted with to much power, that is 100% indisputable. Slowly but surely the UN will attain legitimacy which is certainly not good
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While i certainly could, i dont have the available information and don't want to hunt for it on the.internet.
Either way that is against the point. History shows us that our fellow man can't be trusted with to much power, that is 100% indisputable. Slowly but surely the UN will attain legitimacy which is certainly not good
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joetheogre said...
So basically you don't have anything? Don't presume to lecture others on history when you don't know it yourself.
I doubt very seriously that the UN will ever have more than limited powers to keep peace and impose economic sanctions. We will always be able to opt out because we are the US and no one wants to mess with us.
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BamaLivesFootba said...
I hope you know that a global politcal union is inevitable, but it won't come from an NGO like the UN, it will come gradually from regional unions like the EU (and proposed UNASUR and AU) coming together when the world has become so integrated and flat that it necessitates it. I'd probably guess that space exploration,commercialization and colonization will expedite this process as well.
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amrollZ71 said...
Are you new to the internet? Im not going to go out of my way to find factual similarities between the US and Ancient Rome just because someone is "calling me out" on it.
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amrollZ71 said...
I do agree it is inevitable, and the EU is certainly the first way this is taking shape. The UN will be the entire global aspect for it, it will link the EU to the north/south American and asian versions.
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amrollZ71 said...
That is CLEARLY not what I stated, anyone with a complete thought process could surely understand.
Now if you want to get back on topic, by all means i am up for discussion.
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joetheogre said...
-We chose not to participate in the League of Nations -The League of Nations lost legitimacy -Without the US in the League, the League had no teeth -Other Countries pulled out -This helped precipitate the events that led to WWII
The line of logic isn't hard to follow. The US (and many other countries) took isolationist attitudes after WWI. Everyone wanted to worry about themselves and not the world at large. With no powers involved enough to check their growth, countries like Italy, Japan, and Germany were able to get away with what they did and start another world war.
Take a history class.
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It is not the US's job to police the world.
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