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USC loss pulls Bama closer

  • http://247sports.com/Article/Alabama-is-within-striking-distance-for-top-2013-class-99629

    With the recent de-commitment of Max Redfield from USC, Alabama is within striking distance to have the top recruiting class in the country for the third straight cycle.

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  • It is gonna happen, some big guys will jump on board late in the cycle and we'll inch ahead

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  • amrollZ71 said...

    It is gonna happen, some big guys will jump on board late in the cycle and we'll inch ahead

    Anyone that wasn't 100% certain this would happen eventually is a fool. USC has 10 less scholarships to hand out...duh.

    Good luck Max, we'll be seeing you when we play the Domers, but there are more than a few elite players that want to take your place.

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  • Im sure there is a 5* waiting to take that spot for SC

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    http://247sports.com/Article/Alabama-is-within-striking-distance-for-top-2013-class-99629

    With the recent de-commitment of Max Redfield from USC, Alabama is within striking distance to have the top recruiting class in the country for the third straight cycle.

    Hey JC,

    Speaking of cycles, do you think maybe you guys could do a special segment on the extra class that most of the southern schools like Alabama, South Car, LSU etc, bring in when they oversign by about 20 recruits every 4 year cycle . The 4-6 oversigned players could be trimmed from the bottom of each year's list of recruits and then grouped together to form about a 20 recruit class every 4 year cycle. That would also raise the rankings of the current class, by trimmin the fat off the bottom of the list. How bout them apples
    (that's some bcs like number doctoring right there).

    Maybe call it the the Over the limit class, or how bout just the Over-class, or maybe call it - 5 classes to your 4. That would rock and Saban would probably always be the favorite to kick it into over sign beast mode and over sign like a MoFo by signing some crazy amount like a 114 recruits in a 4 year cycle so he could be #1 in the Over-class rankings, but I think Auburn, Ole Miss, and Miss State can sink to Saban's level (which is about midget-dwarf height btw) and over-sign like a fein.

    5th class recruiting rankings would be boss hoss!
    Thanks in advance big JC

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Hey JC,

    Speaking of cycles, do you think maybe you guys could do a special segment on the extra class that most of the southern schools like Alabama, South Car, LSU etc, bring in when they oversign by about 20 recruits every 4 year cycle . The 4-6 oversigned players could be trimmed from the bottom of each year's list of recruits and then grouped together to form about a 20 recruit class every 4 year cycle. That would also raise the rankings of the current class, by trimmin the fat off the bottom of the list. How bout them apples (that's some bcs like number doctoring right there).

    Maybe call it the the Over the limit class, or how bout just the Over-class, or maybe call it - 5 classes to your 4. That would rock and Saban would probably always be the favorite to kick it into over sign beast mode and over sign like a MoFo by signing some crazy amount like a 114 recruits in a 4 year cycle so he could be #1 in the Over-class rankings, but I think Auburn, Ole Miss, and Miss State can sink to Saban's level (which is about midget-dwarf height btw) and over-sign like a fein.

    5th class recruiting rankings would be boss hoss! Thanks in advance big JC

    Do you have a list of players at each school that have been cut and does that list have 4-6 players on it each and every year? And if so, are all of those 4-6 players simply cut or are some put on medical because of injury where they get to keep their scholarship?

    Just want to know here. If you are going to accuse schools of recruiting shenanigans, you have to put in the work to prove it and understand the process.

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    Anyone that wasn't 100% certain this would happen eventually is a fool. USC has 10 less scholarships to hand out...duh.

    Good luck Max, we'll be seeing you when we play the Domers, but there are more than a few elite players that want to take your place.

    No. Mathematically it still will be tough for anybody to catch USC.

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    Anyone that wasn't 100% certain this would happen eventually is a fool. USC has 10 less scholarships to hand out...duh.

    Good luck Max, we'll be seeing you when we play the Domers, but there are more than a few elite players that want to take your place.

    roflmao you define why I hate most USCw posters

    This is such a dooshy post

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    roflmao you define why I hate most USCw posters

    This is such a dooshy post

    I don't know. NCAAAssassin's butthurt posting is pretty bad as well.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I don't know. NCAAAssassin's butthurt posting is pretty bad as well.

    I'm with you, he put some serious thought into that doozy of a post..

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  • JC,

    Hasn't the SEC recently enacted rules that almost eliminate over signing completely?

    Please enlighten us (especially the douche canoe above) as to the current rules regarding number of signees per year the SEC allows.

    Thanks.

    JCTide

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Hey JC,

    Speaking of cycles, do you think maybe you guys could do a special segment on the extra class that most of the southern schools like Alabama, South Car, LSU etc, bring in when they oversign by about 20 recruits every 4 year cycle . The 4-6 oversigned players could be trimmed from the bottom of each year's list of recruits and then grouped together to form about a 20 recruit class every 4 year cycle. That would also raise the rankings of the current class, by trimmin the fat off the bottom of the list. How bout them apples (that's some bcs like number doctoring right there).

    Maybe call it the the Over the limit class, or how bout just the Over-class, or maybe call it - 5 classes to your 4. That would rock and Saban would probably always be the favorite to kick it into over sign beast mode and over sign like a MoFo by signing some crazy amount like a 114 recruits in a 4 year cycle so he could be #1 in the Over-class rankings, but I think Auburn, Ole Miss, and Miss State can sink to Saban's level (which is about midget-dwarf height btw) and over-sign like a fein.

    5th class recruiting rankings would be boss hoss! Thanks in advance big JC

    I explained your stupid "oversigning" comment last week. Go check my facts. I broke it down by year, recruit, and reason they are no longer on the team.

    Your butthurt is so strong, it's hilarious.

    The top of the mountain is the SEC in football. If you don't like it, then I suggest you find another sport. I'm sure the PAC 12 is good at say water polo or tennis.

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  • JCTide said...

    JC,

    Hasn't the SEC recently enacted rules that almost eliminate over signing completely?

    Please enlighten us (especially the douche canoe above) as to the current rules regarding number of signees per year the SEC allows.

    Thanks.

    You can only have 25 sign letters-of-intent. There are still ways to get more in, though.

    What's funny about this entire argument, to me, is that nobody really wants to go out and list all of these scholarship athletes that these schools have cut. There's all of this math that explains how these programs get "20 extra players" which insinuates they are cutting 20 guys or so over a four-year period and they explain this as if it were an absolute fact.

    It's a red herring until someone can prove otherwise.

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    JC Shurburtt ●

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Hey JC,

    Speaking of cycles, do you think maybe you guys could do a special segment on the extra class that most of the southern schools like Alabama, South Car, LSU etc, bring in when they oversign by about 20 recruits every 4 year cycle . The 4-6 oversigned players could be trimmed from the bottom of each year's list of recruits and then grouped together to form about a 20 recruit class every 4 year cycle. That would also raise the rankings of the current class, by trimmin the fat off the bottom of the list. How bout them apples (that's some bcs like number doctoring right there).

    Maybe call it the the Over the limit class, or how bout just the Over-class, or maybe call it - 5 classes to your 4. That would rock and Saban would probably always be the favorite to kick it into over sign beast mode and over sign like a MoFo by signing some crazy amount like a 114 recruits in a 4 year cycle so he could be #1 in the Over-class rankings, but I think Auburn, Ole Miss, and Miss State can sink to Saban's level (which is about midget-dwarf height btw) and over-sign like a fein.

    5th class recruiting rankings would be boss hoss! Thanks in advance big JC

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    BIGJLAW

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    You can only have 25 sign letters-of-intent. There are still ways to get more in, though.

    What's funny about this entire argument, to me, is that nobody really wants to go out and list all of these scholarship athletes that these schools have cut. There's all of this math that explains how these programs get "20 extra players" which insinuates they are cutting 20 guys or so over a four-year period and they explain this as if it were an absolute fact.

    It's a red herring until someone can prove otherwise.

    It's especially funny when a school like Alabama has 3-5 guys likely to go pro early each year which skews the numbers yet they never mention that in addition to medical scholarships.

    Fogtown ●

  • Fogtown said...

    It's especially funny when a school like Alabama has 3-5 guys likely to go pro early each year which skews the numbers yet they never mention that in addition to medical scholarships.

    Not arguing this over signing thing either way, but since USC has 18 more players in the NFL than Bama shouldn't they have signed 18 more kids over that period?

    Don't think NFL departures comes into play.

    This post was edited by Alonzo Harris on 11/5/2012 at 3:02 PM

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Not arguing this over signing thing either way, but since USC has 18 more players in the NFL than Bama shouldn't they have signed 18 more kids over that period?

    Don't think NFL departures comes into play.

    Early departures would open up slots in the 85 quicker than normal,right?

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  • From 2009-'12 recruiting classes, Bama has signed 103.

    2009: (Signed 28)
    Transfers (6) - Bowman, Marrow, Moore, Sentimore (suspended then transferred), P. Smith, Woodson
    NFL (3) - Carpenter, Dre K, T. Rich
    Medical (2) - K. Kelly, McKeller

    2010: (Signed 26)
    Failed to Qual (3) - Belue, Dial, A. Hill
    Transfers (4) - Carswell (suspended then transferred), C. Grant, Malone(suspended then transferred), P, Sims
    Grad/Other (2) - B. Lewis, J. Williams (baseball)
    NFL (1) - Menzie

    2011: (Signed 23)
    D. Carter (kicked off/transferred), Douglas (RIP)

    2012: (Signed 26)
    Dixon (transferred), B. Hill (JUCO)

    Out of the 103 signed, 25 are no longer on the team bringing the total to 78.

    Edit: We have seven guys that are fifth year SR's from the '08 class, bringing our total to 85.

    Now let the butthurt continue.

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Not arguing this over signing thing either way, but since USC has 18 more players in the NFL than Bama shouldn't they have signed 18 more kids over that period?

    Don't think NFL departures comes into play.

    I'm saying they always look at it and say, "you had 18 seniors and signed 22, that's over signing". When in reality we had 4 guys leave early for the NFL. It's the same as including players who don't qualify and go Juco as over signing. Do you really think we didn't know they would have to go Juco when we signed 1 more spot than scholarships available?

    Fogtown ●

  • bhiley77 said...

    So you think the Bama coaches are surprised at the juniors who go pro, and didn't factor having open slots? Everybody who is gone from the roster for any reason comes into play. Coaches not on probation with less then 85 scholarship players just don't have it figured out.

    No, I don't think any coaches are surprised. We've only had one year of a sanctioned class...

    The argument is Bama signing more kids than everyone else correct? Well if you're using kids leaving for the NFL as a reason for that, it doesn't hold water because there are many schools with more kids in the league than Bama.

    Alonzo Harris

  • Fact: It's not how many you sign. It's how many actually sign and enroll.

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    Macdaddy7930 ●

  • BIGJLAW said...

    cry

    How dare you call me an AJ McCarron!

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●

  • It's not like USC is going to leave a spot open. Even if the replacement in USC's class is only a low 4 star player it doesn't really change much.

    RabbitSC

  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    I explained your stupid "oversigning" comment last week. Go check my facts. I broke it down by year, recruit, and reason they are no longer on the team.

    Your butthurt is so strong, it's hilarious.

    The top of the mountain is the SEC in football. If you don't like it, then I suggest you find another sport. I'm sure the PAC 12 is good at say water polo or tennis.

    Wow, you guys are really sensitive about this . I guess I hit a main nerve here. Lmao, that was to easy.

    I didnt realize this was such a taboo subject. Just having a little fun with it, coming up with some funny names to call it.

    Because I was kind of hoping SC would join the dark side and start using this system because its obvious that this is as huge a legal-illegal advantage a team could ever get, and nowadays, all I care about is winning, nothing else.

    I don't know though, the way you guys reacted to this makes me think this is still the dark dirty secret no one wants to talk about. I think I'm gonna have to research this further before fully supporting using the Saban system.

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●

  • bhiley77 said...

    The number of players in the league isn't really relevant. There's nothing shady about a team signing more players then it seems to the casual observer they have room for, the coaches know how many spots they're going to have. Going to the NFL is one explanation. Players that have already discussed transfers are another reason. Etc. Bama can sign a max of 25 players just like every other school. All this garbage just comes back to fans of schools who don't win assuming Bama must be doing something dirty.

    As stated before, it's not about signing kids it's about enrolling more than any other school and having more turnover.

    That's fine I'm not bashing it like I stated in my OP, but the reason for doing it isn't because so many kids are headed to the league, or other schools with more kids headed to the league would have higher turnover rates.

    Finally, I don't even know if Bama has the most turnover, I haven't seen the statistics but just assume so from everyone complaining about it.

    Alonzo Harris

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