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Unemployment at 7.9% - Something has to change

  • If Obama is reelected it will be with the highest unemployment rate since FDR

    dpfenny

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    Lets be real, the economy is still in the tank. Unfortunately, obama hasn't been able to make a clearly discernable change.

    No. It isn't.

    Any realistic look at the economy wouldn't be described as in the tank or in a recession or anything like that.

    What we are facing and what Leppy should have mentioned is stagnant growth, a lost decade.

    You wanna give someone blame for the moment? Blame congress who could be reaching a deal right now that would give businesses long-term confidence. No one wants to hire because of the fiscal cliff.

    Even worse, if they don't reach a deal, we could see this entire last year's gains gone to shit because of it.

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  • dpfenny said...

    If Obama is reelected it will be with the highest unemployment rate since FDR

    Makes sense there was this thing between the end of Bush and the beginning of Obama's presidency that happened to be the biggest economic disaster since FDR.

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  • Guys guys guys, the unemployment rate going up means we are headed in the right direction!
    /bamalivesfootball

    roflmao

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  • Status said...

    Guys guys guys, the unemployment rate going up means we are headed in the right direction!
    /bamalivesfootball

    roflmao

    Nm

    Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization

    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm/

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  • The report, entitled “The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan,” was released on Jan. 9, 2009. It was put out by the office of the president-elect was written by economists Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein. Romer would become chairwoman of the Council of Economic Advisers for President Obama. Bernstein was Vice President Biden’s chief economic advisor.

    Page four of the report features a chart projecting the unemployment levels with and without the stimulus. With the stimulus, the Romer and Bernstein predicted that unemployment would never rise past 8 percent, and would peak just under that in the third quarter of 2009 before steadily declining to around 5.6 percent by today. Without the stimulus, they predicted that unemployment would peak around 9 percent in the third quarter of 2010 before declining to around 6 percent today.

    The then-Democrat majority Congress passed the $819 billion stimulus bill later that month. The projection turned out to be one of the few things connected to it that was shovel-ready. The unemployment rate reached 10.1 percent in late 2009

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  • dpfenny said...

    The report, entitled “The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan,” was released on Jan. 9, 2009. It was put out by the office of the president-elect was written by economists Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein. Romer would become chairwoman of the Council of Economic Advisers for President Obama. Bernstein was Vice President Biden’s chief economic advisor.

    Page four of the report features a chart projecting the unemployment levels with and without the stimulus. With the stimulus, the Romer and Bernstein predicted that unemployment would never rise past 8 percent, and would peak just under that in the third quarter of 2009 before steadily declining to around 5.6 percent by today. Without the stimulus, they predicted that unemployment would peak around 9 percent in the third quarter of 2010 before declining to around 6 percent today.

    The then-Democrat majority Congress passed the $819 billion stimulus bill later that month. The projection turned out to be one of the few things connected to it that was shovel-ready. The unemployment rate reached 10.1 percent in late 2009

    Ok. Let's analyze this then.

    What does it tell you dfpenny?

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    No. It isn't.

    Any realistic look at the economy wouldn't be described as in the tank or in a recession or anything like that.

    What we are facing and what Leppy should have mentioned is stagnant growth, a lost decade.

    You wanna give someone blame for the moment? Blame congress who could be reaching a deal right now that would give businesses long-term confidence. No one wants to hire because of the fiscal cliff.

    Even worse, if they don't reach a deal, we could see this entire last year's gains gone to shit because of it.

    Regardless of any numbers, it feels unstable and therefore it is unstable. Now it is much better than where we were headed under bush, but it isn't reality to say we're good now. While the bleeding slowed under obama, we're still bleeding

    Sadly, romney seems worse than bush.

    ReasonableDoubt

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    Regardless of any numbers, it feels unstable and therefore it is unstable. Now it is much better than where we were headed under bush, but it isn't reality to say we're good now. While the bleeding slowed under obama, we're still bleeding

    Sadly, romney seems worse than bush.

    Unstable? still bleeding?

    By what measure do you use to back this up?

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Nm

    Damn. 5 trillion added to the deficit and we managed to reduce total unemployment by .7%!

    30 trillion more should do the trick!

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Unstable? still bleeding?

    By what measure do you use to back this up?

    Don't need measures. I look at life. We arent out of the woods by any stretch.

    I won't act like obama put us here, but I won't act like he fixed it either.

    ReasonableDoubt

  • dpfenny said...

    LOL, so it is because some (of the many that are not being counted) have decided to reenter the labor market. Great news CNN, now finish the story with the millions that are still not being counted because they have not been able to find work and gave up and are STILL not confident anything has changed.

    It doesn't matter which unemployment rate you use, it's all comparative. As long as you use the same one across the board to compare it over time, you'll see the same patterns. If you want to use the 15% rate, fine, but that means when the U3 rate is at 7.8% at the time Obama took office, it was really 14.2%. And that was before all the jobs lost in his first term jumped it up to 17%. My point is its all relative.

    But that doesn't negate the fact that confidence is improving in the job market among those looking for a job. That was shown when 500,000+ entered the job market in October. That is a good sign right now. It remains to be seen if that confidence will continue, but it's a step in the right direction.

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  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    Don't need measures. I look at life. We arent out of the woods by any stretch.

    I won't act like obama put us here, but I won't act like he fixed it either.

    Choose better diction than man because it doesn't fit what you are saying.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Ok. Let's analyze this then.

    What does it tell you dfpenny?

    Obama and his crack staff were terribly wrong. Not just a little off, they were not even in the same ballpark.

    dpfenny

  • dpfenny said...

    Obama and his crack staff were terribly wrong. Not just a little off, they were not even in the same ballpark.

    Ok and what were they wrong about?

    I'll give you a hint. It isn't what the stimulus would do.

    *also they were wrong and so was about every other economist at the time. They all underestimated how bad it was.

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  • dpfenny said...

    Obama and his crack staff were terribly wrong. Not just a little off, they were not even in the same ballpark.

    Actually they weren't if you read the entire report:

    "It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error," the report states. "There is the more fundamental uncertainty that comes with any estimate of the effects of a program. Our estimates of economic relationships and rules of thumb are derived from historical experience and so will not apply exactly in any given episode. Furthermore, the uncertainty is surely higher than normal now because the current recession is unusual both in its fundamental causes and its severity."

    There's also a footnote that goes along with the chart that states: "Forecasts of the unemployment rate without the recovery plan vary substantially. Some private forecasters anticipate unemployment rates as high as 11% in the absence of action."

    PolitiFact | Mitt Romney says president promised peak of 8 percent unemployment

    The night of his victory in the Nevada caucuses, Mitt Romney used his stump speech to stomp on President Barack Obama Romney said in his speech in ...

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    CliftonHokie09

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Choose better diction than man because it doesn't fit what you are saying.

    My diction is exactly how I feel. I'm not a dem or a repub and feel no need to pull for or protect either one. Anybody that pays attention to anything would feel pause voting for either party.

    But instead we spend our time demonizing the other party because we can't defend our party.

    ReasonableDoubt

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Ok and what were they wrong about?

    I'll give you a hint. It isn't what the stimulus would do.

    *also they were wrong and so was about every other economist at the time. They all underestimated how bad it was.

    LOL, your poly sci professor would be so proud of you. You must be his favorite student.roflmao

    dpfenny

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Ok and what were they wrong about?

    I'll give you a hint. It isn't what the stimulus would do.

    *also they were wrong and so was about every other economist at the time. They all underestimated how bad it was.

    Lol ok

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  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    I always find it sad that people act like welfare checks and food stamps are the biggest drain on national debt.

    We probably spend more on welfare in afghanistan and other countries where we are trying to "spread democracy".

    But it's fun to blame the less fortunate for our problems

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  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    My diction is exactly how I feel. I'm not a dem or a repub and feel no need to pull for or protect either one. Anybody that pays attention to anything would feel pause voting for either party.

    But instead we spend our time demonizing the other party because we can't defend our party.

    See that's more eloquent.

    Incorrectly using the phrases unstable and bleeding aren't.

    By the way, I agree. That's why I'm voting for Jill Stein.

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  • dpfenny said...

    LOL, your poly sci professor would be so proud of you. You must be his favorite student.roflmao

    Wait. So you are saying they weren't wrong about the economy as a whole?

    Do you think unemployment would have peaked at 9% in 2010 without the stimulus?

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    See that's more eloquent.

    Incorrectly using the phrases unstable and bleeding aren't.

    By the way, I agree. That's why I'm voting for Jill Stein.

    You are voting for Obama.

    TroyTide

  • CliftonHokie09 said...

    It doesn't matter which unemployment rate you use, it's all comparative. As long as you use the same one across the board to compare it over time, you'll see the same patterns. If you want to use the 15% rate, fine, but that means when the U3 rate is at 7.8% at the time Obama took office, it was really 14.2%. And that was before all the jobs lost in his first term jumped it up to 17%. My point is its all relative.

    But that doesn't negate the fact that confidence is improving in the job market among those looking for a job. That was shown when 500,000+ entered the job market in October. That is a good sign right now. It remains to be seen if that confidence will continue, but it's a step in the right direction.

    Or it could mean people are starving and desperate.

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  • dpfenny said...

    If Obama is reelected it will be with the highest unemployment rate since FDR

    Really? You expect unemployment to become even worse than it was in January of 2009?

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