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tbdbitl said...
It's more complicated than this...
I will give you a real world example for a company I know.
Huffy Bicycles. Great American made company. Based in Ohio. manufacturing plants in Ohio, Missouri, Mississippi, California and Washington. Sub contracting plants all over. They also owned 5 other related companies.
Walmart was obviously their largest customer. Walmart would not pay Huffy a price that was realistic. If Huffy were to lower the price of a bicycle to the level that Walmart would pay they would have to cut salaries...across the board by 45%. The cost to manufacture (or sub) a bicycle from china, ship the unit, impot taxes was 10% the cost of making that same unit in The U.S.
So really we ALL are to blame.
Walmart for demanding cheap products that are not made in the states The Union for demanding wages beyond what the market could hold The company for allowing the union to take more than they should have You, me, all of us for buying a bike from china because it was so much cheaper
Huffy really had an easy decision. Move manufacturing overseas and save some jobs and the brand. Close the company. Welcome to 2012.
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Baroldonfire said...
Truth is safety issues was another large reason for unions. However now due to news laws and improvement in equip, safety really isn't to much of an issue. We mostly fight over benefits and wages. Local 3990 member. Unions have their place in America.
Has anyone heard of the Unions blocking aide and screwing with non utility power companies coming to assist with Sandy cleanup? Not a pretty situation if the rumors are true
Huntsville, Joe Wheeler utilities deny claims of union discrimination during Sandy response (update)
Two area utility systems - Huntsville Utilities and Joe Wheeler Cooperative - mentioned in media reports claiming their crews were not allowed to help with storm aid in New Jersey because they were non-union said this morning the story is untrue.
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Right, I understand that entire process. I was asking for an explanation of how the unions could possibly be "proud" of sending jobs overseas. If a job goes overseas, nobody wins - unions aren't proud of that.
That being said, thanks for at least providing a detailed explanation to go with your thoughts, that's more than most people on this board will contribute.
This post was edited by tbdbitl on 11/16/2012 at 10:23 PM
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Baroldonfire said...
Truth is safety issues was another large reason for unions. However now due to news laws and improvement in equip, safety really isn't to much of an issue. We mostly fight over benefits and wages. Local 3990 member. Unions have their place in America.
Has anyone heard of the Unions blocking aide and screwing with non utility power companies coming to assist with Sandy cleanup? Not a pretty situation if the rumors are true
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Right, I understand that entire process. I was asking for an explanation of how the unions could possibly be "proud" of sending jobs overseas. If a job goes overseas, nobody wins - unions aren't proud of that.
That being said, thanks for at least providing a detailed explanation to go with your thoughts, that's more than most people on this board will contribute.
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JC Shurburtt said...
Conceptually and 50 years ago, unions were a good thing. Nowadays, just like with nearly everything else political that began with good intentions, it's become a corrupt, problematic strain on the country and its leaders generally make self-serving decisions rather than using common sense.
What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.--Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
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tbdbitl said...
It's more complicated than this...
I will give you a real world example for a company I know.
Huffy Bicycles. Great American made company. Based in Ohio. manufacturing plants in Ohio, Missouri, Mississippi, California and Washington. Sub contracting plants all over. They also owned 5 other related companies.
Walmart was obviously their largest customer. Walmart would not pay Huffy a price that was realistic. If Huffy were to lower the price of a bicycle to the level that Walmart would pay they would have to cut salaries...across the board by 45%. The cost to manufacture (or sub) a bicycle from china, ship the unit, impot taxes was 10% the cost of making that same unit in The U.S.
So really we ALL are to blame.
Walmart for demanding cheap products that are not made in the states
The Union for demanding wages beyond what the market could hold
The company for allowing the union to take more than they should have
You, me, all of us for buying a bike from china because it was so much cheaperHuffy really had an easy decision. Move manufacturing overseas and save some jobs and the brand. Close the company. Welcome to 2012.
What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.--Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
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tbdbitl said...
While I agree with that.
No one forces people to shop at Walmart. If "we" (the big "we" as in The American comsuners) choose not to shop at Walmart then Walmart will have to change their model.
"We" are still shopping at Walmart. They won't change unless "we" change.
I haven't been in a Walmart in over 10 years. A lot of good my boycott did
Supporting Made in the USA has a better effect
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tbdbitl said...
It's more complicated than this...
I will give you a real world example for a company I know.
Huffy Bicycles. Great American made company. Based in Ohio. manufacturing plants in Ohio, Missouri, Mississippi, California and Washington. Sub contracting plants all over. They also owned 5 other related companies.
Walmart was obviously their largest customer. Walmart would not pay Huffy a price that was realistic. If Huffy were to lower the price of a bicycle to the level that Walmart would pay they would have to cut salaries...across the board by 45%. The cost to manufacture (or sub) a bicycle from china, ship the unit, impot taxes was 10% the cost of making that same unit in The U.S.
So really we ALL are to blame.
Walmart for demanding cheap products that are not made in the states The Union for demanding wages beyond what the market could hold The company for allowing the union to take more than they should have You, me, all of us for buying a bike from china because it was so much cheaper
Huffy really had an easy decision. Move manufacturing overseas and save some jobs and the brand. Close the company. Welcome to 2012.
GOP senators block top Obama jobs initiative - CNN.com
Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked the No.1 item on the president's congressional jobs to the U.S. from overseas while eliminating tax deductions for companies that move jobs abroad.
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I'll always support a workers right to organize. My father was a teamster for 40 years. He gave the union more hell than the company he worked for but maintained he'd rather be unionized than not.
Take a look at the asburd increase of CEO pay over the past 30 years. Talk about corrupt and a problematic strain on our country. There it is.
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lestat said...
Hahaha! Typical cmxi explain how unions are sending jobs overseas! I guess the proof is in the pudding. You should know cmxi that companies like Lazyboy, new brunswick, & Comerica are leaving Michigan in droves. Taxes mean something! Do you understand!!!! I guess not! U will need an actual link to tell u the state of Michigan is dying.
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lestat said...
Hahaha! Typical cmxi explain how unions are sending jobs overseas! I guess the proof is in the pudding. You should know cmxi that companies like Lazyboy, new brunswick, & Comerica are leaving Michigan in droves. Taxes mean something! Do you understand!!!! I guess not! U will need an actual link to tell u the state of Michigan is dying.
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