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Unions suck

  • sullkev said...

    In Springfield Ohio there is an International Truck assembly plant. They are union. In the 80s when the Union & the company was strong there were about 4000 employee/jobs. Since then, the company has fought the unions to the point where there are now 400 employees, many are non union, and management is suing to revoke the pensions of retired employees.

    The result of a weak union (among other things) was International moving production & Mfg jobs to Mexico. Not all, just most. There are consequences to Manufacturing Trucks in Mexico. The majority of these new Trucks have quality issues.

    A few years ago Coca-Cola put an order in for 1000 trucks and contractually required them to be made in the USA. International still tried to pull a fast one and delivered TexMex trucks. They got caught and were forced to rehire 200 layed off workers in Springfield and deliver as agreed to.

    Recently Penske ordered 5000 trucks made in Springfield.

    Great example sulkev, of an American company (Coke) demanding American manufacturing. This is where the problem gets solved.

    It's too hard (besides the fact it probably won't work) to have a revolt against the Walmarts of America.

    This is where is starts and there are tons of opportunities.

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  • wps88 said...

    My stepfather is a plant manager. The skunk he says about unions is unbelievable. Unions, for the most part, are nuts.

    Of course he is going to say that, he is in MANAGEMENT. What else would he say?

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  • Penske is another Co demanding made in the USA. I believe they were even offered a cheaper price, but still made the decision in favor of better quality. They are in the business of knowing the difference. However, most consumers aren't and could care little where something is made.

    How many people on this board think Ashley Furniture is quality or made in the USA?

    Unfortunately, most don't know or care. They would rather blame a union.

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  • sullkev said...

    La-Z-Boy was headquartered in Monroe. MI. They still use that office as customer service. That was it.

    Manufacturing is and always has been in Dayton, TN, Neosha, KS, Newton, MS, Siloam Springs, AR.

    BTW, La-Z-Boy moved headquarters to High Point, NC (furniture capital of the world). Had more to with Pat Norton than anything else.

    Yes. The companies I named didn't move out of country, they moved out of state. Comerica went to Texas. New Brunswick, & lazyboy went somewhere other than Michigan. So sad. Why did they leave? Taxes!!!!
    Have fun telling yourself otherwise!!

    lestat

  • lestat said...

    Yes. The companies I named didn't move out of country, they moved out of state. Comerica went to Texas. New Brunswick, & lazyboy went somewhere other than Michigan. So sad. Why did they leave? Taxes!!!! Have fun telling yourself otherwise!!

    La-Z-Boy still has a presence in Monroe. Pat Norton wanted to retire to High Point where his home was back in 2001. The family (Knabush?) let him move management there to keep him even when he got sick. He ran the company until he was like 90. Nothing to do with taxes. Everything to do with location.

    I didn't comment on the other

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  • Also, one more thing about La-Z-Boy and taxes. From 2001 a 2009, La-Z-Boy lost money. Stock went to .50. They sold off and wrote off everything. They probably didn't show much of a profit if any during that period to be taxed in the first place. Monroe was nothing but an office for the last 30 years anyway. AND it is still there.

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  • lestat said...

    Yes. The companies I named didn't move out of country, they moved out of state. Comerica went to Texas. New Brunswick, & lazyboy went somewhere other than Michigan. So sad. Why did they leave? Taxes!!!!
    Have fun telling yourself otherwise!!

    Beauty of a federalism.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Beauty of a federalism.

    What that instead of just leaving states, companies will just leave the country instead? This is 2012, this high tax an union crap doesn't cut it anymore.

    TroyTide

  • sullkev said...

    Also, one more thing about La-Z-Boy and taxes. From 2001 a 2009, La-Z-Boy lost money. Stock went to .50. They sold off and wrote off everything. They probably didn't show much of a profit if any during that period to be taxed in the first place. Monroe was nothing but an office for the last 30 years anyway. AND it is still there.

    Great! Taxes lead to the demise of lazyboy. Used to be a great company, an iconic brand. What part of Michigan taxing companies to move out of state don't you understand.

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  • scinsc5 said...

    I'm a liberal, but I have no problem with what Walmart does. They may have killed some manufacturing , but how much have they saved the consumer?

    How many consumer's are out of a job now though?

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  • CanadianBuckeye said...

    How many consumer's are out of a job now though?

    It's not walmarts fault . It's the low wages outside of America and trade policy

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  • TroyTide said...

    What that instead of just leaving states, companies will just leave the country instead? This is 2012, this high tax an union crap doesn't cut it anymore.

    Huh? No. The beauty of the United States is the competition between the states. A company DOESN'T have to leave the country unless of course it is in their interest to do so.

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  • When did all you conservatives become protectionists?

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  • Mich&RedWingFan said...

    I would bet you are wrong.
    Doesn't say who has degrees but if you aren't a CEO, then I would imagine it is not close.

    I am ok with CEOs making the big money. They make decisions that the knuckle draggers on the assembly line don't understand, or care to understand.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Huh? No. The beauty of the United States is the competition between the states. A company DOESN'T have to leave the country unless of course it is in their interest to do so.

    I misunderstood what you were trying to say. I agree with you then.

    TroyTide

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    When did all you conservatives become protectionists?

    I am not, I realize that with globalization this is going to continue to be a problem for developed nations for some time.

    We need to focus on educating our workforce in advanced areas like technology, science, medicine, and finance/accounting etc.

    Unfortunately not everyone can do these type of things, so for those that can't we need to figure out some way to make them more competitive on the world stage. We can't win on the pay scale, but maybe we can in other areas. We are also going to have to accept that the days of assembly line workers being paid $35 per hour are over. No matter how productive our workforce might be there are too many cheaper and just as productive workers around the world for our citizens to be demanding a premium for their labor. I am not advocating slave wages, just realistic wages.

    Either we accept lower wages for low end manufacturing, or we won't have manufacturing anymore. Optimally we need to replace it with high end manufacturing that requires a an educated work force, but that will take time and will always be a battle.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    I am not advocating slave wages, just realistic wages.

    So much of this.

    Paying someone >$35 to dig a ditch is outrageous.

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  • Globalization isn't the problem, it creates a problem though, but like you said it takes adaptation and innovation, not protectionism.

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  • michagain said...

    Not mine bro. I.B.E.W. Local 17. Google it, you'll understand why "our" jobs will never be sent oversees.

    I get where u r coming from though

    Thing is unions are like gator fans, same are good (IBEW being an example) and some are so bad (automakers being an example) they make you hate the whole fan base smoke

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  • For what is worth I drive dedicated for walmart and I pick up at a lot of small US company's that if it wasn't for walmart they would not be open for business. Walmart makes up anywhere to 50% to 85% of their business.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Conceptually and 50 years ago, unions were a good thing. Nowadays, just like with nearly everything else political that began with good intentions, it's become a corrupt, problematic strain on the country and its leaders generally make self-serving decisions rather than using common sense.

    The voice of reason Lol.

    Nothing wrong with the idea of Unions.

    Most of the people complaining about Unions ITT would be complaining about mandatory 6 day work weeks, no paid vacation, no benefits, etc, if labor unions never existed.

    Its easy to criticize Unions when you are ignorant of the benefits that they have provided.

    Like everything else these days, they are just another broken part in a a broken political system.

    This post was edited by rms02d on 11/17/2012 at 7:45 AM

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  • Mr.Stache said...

    I'd like to see a comparative percentage of salary increases between CEO's and employees with degrees over a 40 year period. I'd bet they're pretty close.

    For someone that says a lot of stupid things on this board.....

    This comment takes the cake.

    Your lack of awareness on this issue combined with all your comments about wages, international trade, economics, Papa Johns, etc., is hilariously ignorant.

    Fcuking Idiot.

    This post was edited by rms02d on 11/17/2012 at 7:50 AM

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    True and respect for all of your points and your father.

    Ditto, brah.

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  • rms02d said...

    The voice of reason Lol.

    Nothing wrong with the idea of Unions.

    Most of the people complaining about Unions ITT would be complaining about mandatory 6 day work weeks, no paid vacation, no benefits, etc, if labor unions never existed.

    Its easy to criticize Unions when you are ignorant of the benefits that they have provided.

    Like everything else these days, they are just another broken part in a a broken political system.

    There was a time and place for Unions. That time is no longer here.

    This post was edited by xxmgobluexx on 11/17/2012 at 8:20 AM

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  • I remember when the auto bailout was happening it came out that something like $ 2,000-2,500 per car went to union retirement pensions. Like JC said years back they served a purpose but now adays all they do is push up the cost of goods and make it harder to do business. The Sandy incident was awful. A state turning down help bc they weren't union workers while people were freezing to death.

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