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  • Ichabod said...

    Yea but rich rod screwed with that dude so I understand why he hasn't had a chance to succeed yet.

    I think our OL vs your DL will tell the tale of this game.

    Best case scenario is y'all score 17 IMO

    I agree. I think you guys wear us down and put the game away late 3rd or early 4th quarter. Don't think it will be an embarassing ugly beat down though.

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    WillyWolverine

  • You guys still debating this? Save your energy. Lots of time between now and then. Hell, Saban could interview for 3 different positions by the time kick off rolls around.biggrin

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    Due51

  • Due51 said...

    You guys still debating this? Save your energy. Lots of time between now and then. Hell, Saban could interview for 3 different positions by the time kick off rolls around.biggrin

    Ok, I laughed at this one. lol

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • ALeasWerNotOhio said...

    I fully agree. But there's always hope.

    That's fair. I think a lot of Big 10 teams would be pretty worried if a true FR DT came in and dominated from day 1. FL had a pair of 5-star DTs sign in 2010 and they're just now coming into their own.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • ALeasWerNotOhio said...

    We also have 5* bust Will Campbell who we r praying can finally do something his senior year.

    Him and Craig Roh deserved to be red-shirted. That's not an insult to either player, but they could have each used an extra year to learn their position. Imagine if both were RS JRs this next year and had a 3rd year with your DL system.

    RichRod really screwed the pooch with your OL and DL recruiting.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • I hate RichRod!!!!!!

    ALeasWerNotOhio

  • Maize&Blue said...

    I agree. I think you guys wear us down and put the game away late 3rd or early 4th quarter. Don't think it will be an embarassing ugly beat down though.

    I don't think the score will reflect how the game will play out.

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  • ALeasWerNotOhio said...

    How much of ur D did u guys lose?

    We lose "7" starters. I say that in quotes because a lot of the guys we have playing next year have a good bit of experience like Nico Johnson, Dee Milliner, Vinnie Sunseri but never started.

    Our D lineup IMO will look like this come Gameday. * denotes returning starter

    DE: Damien Square *
    NT: Brandon Ivory
    DE: Jessie Williams *

    Jack: Adrian Hubbard
    Will: CJ Mosely *
    Mike: Nico Johnson
    Sam: Trey Depriest

    CB: Dee Milliner
    S: Robert Lester *
    S: Hasean Clinton-Dix
    CB: Travell Dixon
    CB: Deion Belue

    I listed 3 CBs because we play a lot of nickel.

    Our goal on D is to make your offense one dimensional. We're gonna stop the run and force you into 3rd and longs where we will become aggressive and bring some blitzes to force TOs.

    I think the stat is since 2008 that our defenses have let 2 rbs gain over 100 yards in rushing against us.

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  • Ichabod said...

    We lose "7" starters. I say that in quotes because a lot of the guys we have playing next year have a good bit of experience like Nico Johnson, Dee Milliner, Vinnie Sunseri but never started.

    Our D lineup IMO will look like this come Gameday. * denotes returning starter

    DE: Damien Square * NT: Brandon Ivory DE: Jessie Williams *

    Jack: Adrian Hubbard Will: CJ Mosely * Mike: Nico Johnson Sam: Trey Depriest

    CB: Dee Milliner S: Robert Lester * S: Hasean Clinton-Dix CB: Travell Dixon CB: Deion Belue

    I listed 3 CBs because we play a lot of nickel.

    Our goal on D is to make your offense one dimensional. We're gonna stop the run and force you into 3rd and longs where we will become aggressive and bring some blitzes to force TOs.

    I think the stat is since 2008 that our defenses have let 2 rbs gain over 100 yards in rushing against us.

    You think Ivory going to start at NT? I thought DS was going to play LE and Stinson at RE with JW at NT. Also always thought that Hubbard would play SAM, and XD would be starting at Jack, with TD rotating in at MLB.

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  • CWEBB said...

    You think Ivory going to start at NT? I thought DS was going to play LE and Stinson at RE with JW at NT. Also always thought that Hubbard would play SAM, and XD would be starting at Jack, with TD rotating in at MLB.

    Ivory is a true NT which is why I said him but JW to the interior is a possibility.

    We have a rotating DL which keeps them fresh and provides a lot of experience.

    Dial and Stinson got a lot of PT last year.

    NT is our biggest question mark on defense IMO and is the most important piece. A lot of Bama fans will point out the DBs as our biggest issue but losing Chapman and Gentry hurts and everyone knows a NT is what makes a 3-4 tick

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  • CWEBB said...

    You think Ivory going to start at NT? I thought DS was going to play LE and Stinson at RE with JW at NT. Also always thought that Hubbard would play SAM, and XD would be starting at Jack, with TD rotating in at MLB.

    Hubbard is a Jack LB

    I say Depriest to Sam just so they get our 4 best on the field.

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  • Ichabod said...

    Ivory is a true NT which is why I said him but JW to the interior is a possibility.

    We have a rotating DL which keeps them fresh and provides a lot of experience.

    Dial and Stinson got a lot of PT last year.

    NT is our biggest question mark on defense IMO and is the most important piece. A lot of Bama fans will point out the DBs as our biggest issue but losing Chapman and Gentry hurts and everyone knows a NT is what makes a 3-4 tick

    I know you rotate the D Line, but the reason I was surprised to see Ivory’s name because he didn’t get much burn for you guys from the games that I saw last year. Saban didn’t recruit any Juco’s for the position either right? Also the reason why I said that I saw Hubbard at SAM instead of JACK, is because he always seemed like a Manny Lawson-type LB to me. A tall, long LB that you would think is a pass rusher based on his size but is more of coverage guy at that position and a runstopper.

    This post was edited by CWEBB on 3/1/2012 at 1:00 AM

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  • CWEBB said...

    I know you rotate the D Line, but the reason I was surprised to see Ivory’s name because he didn’t get much burn for you guys from the games that I saw last year. Saban didn’t recruit any Juco’s for the position either right? Also the reason why I said that I saw Hubbard at SAM instead of JACK, is because he always seemed like a Manny Lawson-type LB to me. A tall, long LB that you would think is a pass rusher based on his size but is more of coverage guy at that position and a runstopper.

    Naw. Hubbards got the frame to become a DE as does Dickson.

    Saban not grabbing a juco DL should tell you his thoughts on Ivory. He's a big boy that's gonna take up space. I see us doing multiple fronts with our DL including Jesse at nose. But ivory is gonna be our run stuffer

    Again this is all my opinion based on what I've read and hear on campus

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Bama ran 508 times out of 865 offensive plays. You ran 58% of the time.

    Yes, and several games we barely attempted any passes in the second half. We didn't have to throw it. We ran it just to kill the clock for the entire 4th quarter multiple times. That skews your numbers, because the games were put to bed after our first/second possessions of the 2nd half. Go back and look up the statistics. Saban could blow the doors off many teams, but he does the classy thing and just kills off the game.

    When AJ needs to throw it, he will pick you apart. Just wait and see.

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  • theProcess said...

    Yes, and several games we barely attempted any passes in the second half. We didn't have to throw it. We ran it just to kill the clock for the entire 4th quarter multiple times. That skews your numbers, because the games were put to bed after our first/second possessions of the 2nd half. Go back and look up the statistics. Saban could blow the doors off many teams, but he does the classy thing and just kills off the game.

    When AJ needs to throw it, he will pick you apart. Just wait and see.

    AJ isn't at that point yet. He's getting there and showing signs he can do it but let's see if he continues the improvement first before we break out the anointing oil

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  • CWEBB said...

    You think Ivory going to start at NT? I thought DS was going to play LE and Stinson at RE with JW at NT. Also always thought that Hubbard would play SAM, and XD would be starting at Jack, with TD rotating in at MLB.

    Look for LaMichael Fanning to show out on the DL. He has an NFL protype body and has been really impressive lately. Also, I too, expected Jesse to move inside to nose but Ivory looked good at the end of the year. They're saying JW is improving technique rapidly. He was already a physical specimen with unreal strength. They expect him to be so dominant at DE that he really changes the game. Therefore, I believe he's right... it looks like Ivory probably will start at Nose.

    The LB's are going to be unreal. Nico Johnson has already made AA and Mosley was freshman AA, although neither have been officially "starters." Hubbard and XD are very good. Depriest is going to be special, and there are some freak frosh guys coming in (Ragland, Anderson, Lee, etc). I would not be surprised to see Ragland and Anderson getting meaningful PT. Athleticism like that is tough to match up with for an OL.

    We lost some great LBs, but the new batch is more athletic. Can they play as disciplined? We will see.

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    theProcess

  • Ragland will start out at Sam. If he sees PT then it's going to be later in the season

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    Ichabod

  • Ichabod said...

    AJ isn't at that point yet. He's getting there and showing signs he can do it but let's see if he continues the improvement first before we break out the anointing oil

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all saying he's 1st team AA material. I'm just saying this guy is greatly undervaluing AJ's talent. The guy can make throws.

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  • theProcess said...

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all saying he's 1st team AA material. I'm just saying this guy is greatly undervaluing AJ's talent. The guy can make throws.

    Rocky wasn't the guy underestimating AJ however.

    He just brought a stat in of overall plays

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  • theProcess said...

    Look for LaMichael Fanning to show out on the DL. He has an NFL protype body and has been really impressive lately. Also, I too, expected Jesse to move inside to nose but Ivory looked good at the end of the year. They're saying JW is improving technique rapidly. He was already a physical specimen with unreal strength. They expect him to be so dominant at DE that he really changes the game. Therefore, I believe he's right... it looks like Ivory probably will start at Nose.

    The LB's are going to be unreal. Nico Johnson has already made AA and Mosley was freshman AA, although neither have been officially "starters." Hubbard and XD are very good. Depriest is going to be special, and there are some freak frosh guys coming in (Ragland, Anderson, Lee, etc). I would not be surprised to see Ragland and Anderson getting meaningful PT. Athleticism like that is tough to match up with for an OL.

    We lost some great LBs, but the new batch is more athletic. Can they play as disciplined? We will see.

    I have heard about Lamike, did he RS last year? Jw looked very impressive last year, there were times last year where he looked dominant and looked like Ngata. I haven’t heard all that much about Eddie Williams lately, but is it a lock that he plays O. Guy could probably a variety of positions on D with that size like OLB,S,or MLB.

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  • CWEBB said...

    I have heard about Lamike, did he RS last year? Jw looked very impressive last year, there were times last year where he looked dominant and looked like Ngata. I haven’t heard all that much about Eddie Williams lately, but is it a lock that he plays O. Guy could probably a variety of positions on D with that size like OLB,S,or MLB.

    Eddie is coming in to play WR.

    Fanning redshirted last year but the coaches are psyched about his potential

    And Jesse got better and better as the year progressed. Should be a playmaker this year

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  • neoavatara said...

    We have to play the perfect game to win. Bama makes a few mistakes, and we could take it.

    But...my opinion...

    Bama 31, Michigan 21.

    Frankly, at this point in the Hoke tenure, a close loss to the likely #1-3 team and defending champion is something I would take happily.

    That's a pretty fair assessment.

    The short of it is this. Bama will stop the run and then run on you. Our run D likely won't be as good as last year, but still a top 5 in the nation. Our running game will likely be better as 4 of 5 on OL are back and McCarron will be given more slack (harder to stack the box).

    Bama will blow some assignments in the secondary (2nd or 3rd CBs will not have much experience and the system is complicated), combine these with DR's scrambling and UM will get a few points that way. Unless Bama turns the ball over (-2 or more), I don't see UM having enough hosses (Bama likely better on OL and DL) to pull it out.

    All that being said, its the first game of the year and you gotta' play. Looking forward to it.

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  • theProcess said...

    Yes, and several games we barely attempted any passes in the second half. We didn't have to throw it. We ran it just to kill the clock for the entire 4th quarter multiple times. That skews your numbers, because the games were put to bed after our first/second possessions of the 2nd half. Go back and look up the statistics. Saban could blow the doors off many teams, but he does the classy thing and just kills off the game.

    When AJ needs to throw it, he will pick you apart. Just wait and see.

    That's a good point. Often winning teams will also have slightly lower pass yardage D #s because opposing teams are forced to throw to try and come back. That's why I prefer to look at things like YPA and passing efficiency D.

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 3/1/2012 at 9:55 AM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • menichols74 said...

    That's a pretty fair assessment.

    The short of it is this. Bama will stop the run and then run on you. Our run D likely won't be as good as last year, but still a top 5 in the nation. Our running game will likely be better as 4 of 5 on OL are back and McCarron will be given more slack (harder to stack the box).

    Bama will blow some assignments in the secondary (2nd or 3rd CBs will not have much experience and the system is complicated), combine these with DR's scrambling and UM will get a few points that way. Unless Bama turns the ball over (-2 or more), I don't see UM having enough hosses (Bama likely better on OL and DL) to pull it out.

    All that being said, its the first game of the year and you gotta' play. Looking forward to it.

    If Michigan had Stonum to pair with Roundtree, I'd start moving this towards a 1-score game. As it is, I don't think UM has enough experienced WRs, combined with Shoelace's downfield inaccuracy, to take advantage of the young Alabama CBs.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Michigan wins BIG

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