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Way too early top 10 for next year.....

  • NigelUno said...

    So, is it still 9? Or have your "facts" changed?

    So, you only count "starters" as the guys that are returning? You don't count the "starters" who have started that are leaving? lol

    So there were only 2 "starters" leaving on both sides of the ball? Which 2 were those again?

    We discussed this earlier, 9 starters on O returning. 8 starters on D returning, Kicker, Punter, PR and KR all coming back. I was wrong about one guy on D and admitted it. Keep fishing. shrug

    xxmgobluexx

  • FSU should honestly easily be in the top 10. FSU has so many good players returning and they will be much better. Only hard teams we play are wvu and clemson and those defenses suck which means our much improved offense will be able to score a ton. other than that there are no hard games and we could easily go undefeated if not 1 loss.

    2012FSUCHAMPS

  • mriderblue12 said...

    Roundtree, and Stonum both have started more consistently and more frequently then either of the two. And considering Michigan's base alignment does not include 3 WR's I fail to see why a slot guy is a loss of a starter.

    Uno good to see your back and your butt is still sore. Even the Spartan's players were more rattled about Michigan's Sugar Bowl win then happy over their own bowl win. Just check their twitter accounts.

    Your base alignment in the game notes for your bowl game, where it tracks the starters for each position during the year, has 3 WR, 1 RB and 1 TE as the skill players. I believe in 2 games you started a 2nd TE and once a 4th WR as a starter.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Receptions and yards, yep.

    TDs and YPC? Nope.

    He's been pretty darn good, but Cunningham was only MSU's #1 target for 1 year (2011). MSU has had some pretty good WRs roll through over the past 3 decades, to the point that I can state confidently that the Spartans will see someone with around Cunningham's single season production within the next few years.

    Next year? Probably not though.

    And I guess Dantonio hasn't proven that he can replace Cousins and Cunningham because, well, he's never had the opportunity to make the attempt lol. As I've said repeatedly, the QB/WR situation is an unknown going into next year.

    The last time he had to replace a starter at QB MSU went 6-7. I know, JohnLs players, but that is as close as we get. MSU has a better D so I wouldn't such a drastic drop off.

    xxmgobluexx

  • 2012FSUCHAMPS said...

    FSU should honestly easily be in the top 10. FSU has so many good players returning and they will be much better. Only hard teams we play are wvu and clemson and those defenses suck which means our much improved offense will be able to score a ton. other than that there are no hard games and we could easily go undefeated if not 1 loss.

    Preseason? Not at all. I don't think FSU has earned the right to be a pre-season top 10 team with the faceplant they did this season.

    End of the year? Sure, win 11 games and you'll be there.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    I see your blind homerism is overlooking the fact that an 11-2 Michigan team is returning 9 of 11 starters on Defense, 9 of 11 starters on Offense, punter, kicker, KR, and PR.

    We discussed this earlier, 9 starters on O returning. 8 starters on D returning, Kicker, Punter, PR and KR all coming back. I was wrong about one guy on D and admitted it. Keep fishing. shrug

    lol

    NigelUno

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Your base alignment in the game notes for your bowl game, where it tracks the starters for each position during the year, has 3 WR, 1 RB and 1 TE as the skill players. I believe in 2 games you started a 2nd TE and once a 4th WR as a starter.

    No man, they are straight pro style with their straight pro style quarterback. Screw the game notes.

    Sp4rt4ns

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Your base alignment in the game notes for your bowl game, where it tracks the starters for each position during the year, has 3 WR, 1 RB and 1 TE as the skill players. I believe in 2 games you started a 2nd TE and once a 4th WR as a starter.

    I'm not really concerned about what we started the game with, or even this season. Michigan is a I-Form team, that is running spread tendencies right now. Too make use of our players on the roster they used a slot guy this year, but the players we are recruiting tells the story IMO. TE's, pocket passers, FB's, big RB's, big WR's. Slot guys are not a loss for this team.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    I'm well aware of Charles Rogers and Burress etc... That's neither here nor there.

    lol

    NigelUno

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    You going to try and hammer the Spartan fans who "think he'd do just fine replacing him" in regards to Maxwell for Cousins?

    i'm not saying that there's not going to be some growing pains, but Maxwell has much more natural talent. if anyone's seen him throw the ball, they know he has much more zip on the ball and can put the ball into those tight spaces. he has much better footwork and is a much better runner than Cousins. he clearly is lacking the experience, but he has more than Cousins originally had coming in in 09 and he we pretty good outside of a few mistakes that cost us a game. i'd honestly expect him to be around where Cousins was his first year starting.

    300+ Attempts, 60% Completions, 2,500 Yards, 20 TDs, 10 INTs

    the thing is, we're hopefully not going to have to rely on him nearly as much as we had to rely on Kirk this year. we have unproven talent at WR and proven talent with our RBs and OL. this year we had unproven talent at OL and proven talent at WR and QB.

    we had a lot of growing pains with the OL early on this year but once things got in place, they started to get better. i'd expect our WRs to unfold in the same way. We have returning Fowler and Mumphery who coaches rave about as being impact players. only problem is Fowler's been cursed by the injury bug and Mumphery never really had a shot with the older guys in front of him.

    We also have Tony Lippett who is a monster of a skill player who can go both ways, but he's going to have a shot at full time WR in the spring. We also have a stable of new guys: Andre Sims Jr and Juwan Caesar are two guys that have routinely been mentioned as impact scout players (both true freshman, red-shirting).

    Incomers we have Burbridge who everyone knows and MacGarrett Kings who is a Keshawn Martin type player who our coaches believe can come in day 1 and replace Martin. not to mention the fact we could still have Arnett who is an absolute play maker.

    the nice thing with this is we don't need all of them to be great. if two of them emerge and separate themselves from the rest, that's great. if we need to have constant rotation with 4-5 guys who get 30+ catches each, that's fine.

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  • your wrong. recruiting class brings hype, our defense is top 3, offense much improvved. experts will see this and see we are easily top 10

    - Jimbo fisher too will bring hype.

    2012FSUCHAMPS

  • NigelUno said...

    You check twitter accounts of MSU players? lol

    No. Message boards cut out a lot of research, not everything I know is from personal research. Tough to believe I know.

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    mriderblue12

  • mriderblue12 said...

    No. Message boards cut out a lot of research, not everything I know is from personal research. Tough to believe I know.

    I'll save you the time of responding and just write what you would have:

    lol

    Your responses are so well thought out, and aren't flame attempts at all.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    The last time he had to replace a starter at QB MSU went 6-7. I know, JohnLs players, but that is as close as we get. MSU has a better D so I wouldn't such a drastic drop off.

    There are enough differences to make that a poor comparison. You highlighted the JLS players, but it was more about indecision on the part of the coaches on picking starters in the secondary, at RB and at QB. As for indecision, 3/4 of the starting established starting secondary returns, with the starting nickelback and back-up SS (Drummond and Jones respectively) fighting for the FS spot vacated by Robinson. Running back is established. Only similarities are the new QB, and anyone that watched MSU in 2009 knows that QB was far from the biggest problem on the field. Cousins threw for nearly 2700 yards (2680) with 19 TDs and 9 INTs as a RS Soph that year, and that's with Nichol throwing for another 700 yards as well. FWIW, Cousins had 43 attempts going into that season.

    Maxwell has 51 attempts in his career, or 8 more than KC.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • NigelUno said...

    lol

    I was wrong about the D, 8 return not 9, and I admitted it. shrug So, what is the issue? Is this how you act at trcmb?

    xxmgobluexx

  • mriderblue12 said...

    I'm not really concerned about what we started the game with, or even this season. Michigan is a I-Form team, that is running spread tendencies right now. Too make use of our players on the roster they used a slot guy this year, but the players we are recruiting tells the story IMO. TE's, pocket passers, FB's, big RB's, big WR's. Slot guys are not a loss for this team.

    Oh wow. No man, you guys are much more a shotgun team than an I-formation team. I watched the entire game last night, Dennard lined up under Center much much less than in the shotgun.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • mriderblue12 said...

    No. Message boards cut out a lot of research, not everything I know is from personal research. Tough to believe I know.

    Not everything?

    NigelUno

  • SpartanRocky said...

    There are enough differences to make that a poor comparison. You highlighted the JLS players, but it was more about indecision on the part of the coaches on picking starters in the secondary, at RB and at QB. As for indecision, 3/4 of the starting established starting secondary returns, with the starting nickelback and back-up SS (Drummond and Jones respectively) fighting for the FS spot vacated by Robinson. Running back is established. Only similarities are the new QB, and anyone that watched MSU in 2009 knows that QB was far from the biggest problem on the field. Cousins threw for nearly 2700 yards (2680) with 19 TDs and 9 INTs as a RS Soph that year, and that's with Nichol throwing for another 700 yards as well. FWIW, Cousins had 43 attempts going into that season.

    Maxwell has 51 attempts in his career, or 8 more than KC.

    Not sure why it's relevant that Maxwell had 8 more throws then KC coming into this year.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    I was wrong about the D, 8 return not 9, and I admitted it. shrug So, what is the issue? Is this how you act at trcmb?

    Only when people say stuff that isn't true, and act like know-it-alls.

    NigelUno

  • 2012FSUCHAMPS said...

    your wrong. recruiting class brings hype, our defense is top 3, offense much improvved. experts will see this and see we are easily top 10

    - Jimbo fisher too will bring hype.

    I think pollsters are aware of the faceplant this year, and it'll offset the fact that you're bringing in a great class (again).

    What good is hype if your team can't back it up?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Oh wow. No man, you guys are much more a shotgun team than an I-formation team. I watched the entire game last night, Dennard lined up under Center much much less than in the shotgun.

    Denard is our QB for 1 more year. Again Hoke is making use of Rich Rod's players. I just don't think replacing a slot receiver when Hoke is transitioning away from that offense is all that big of a deal. Especially since Dileo has seen a lot of time himself at the slot.

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  • NigelUno said...

    Only when people say stuff that isn't true, and act like know-it-alls.

    roflmao

    xxmgobluexx

  • how did we faceplant? we loss to OKALAHOMA and a hot CLEMSON team!

    then we make one mistake against wake forest and lose which barely counts.

    virginia has a awesome defense that is underrated.

    fsu finished strong with its season with an impressive showing over ND.

    2012FSUCHAMPS

  • 2012FSUCHAMPS said...

    how did we faceplant? we loss to OKALAHOMA and a hot CLEMSON team!

    then we make one mistake against wake forest and lose which barely counts.

    virginia has a awesome defense that is underrated.

    fsu finished strong with its season with an impressive showing over ND.

    Not sure if serious. Troll or just massive homer?

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  • Sheriff Bart said...

    i'm not saying that there's not going to be some growing pains, but Maxwell has much more natural talent. if anyone's seen him throw the ball, they know he has much more zip on the ball and can put the ball into those tight spaces. he has much better footwork and is a much better runner than Cousins. he clearly is lacking the experience, but he has more than Cousins originally had coming in in 09 and he we pretty good outside of a few mistakes that cost us a game. i'd honestly expect him to be around where Cousins was his first year starting.

    300+ Attempts, 60% Completions, 2,500 Yards, 20 TDs, 10 INTs

    the thing is, we're hopefully not going to have to rely on him nearly as much as we had to rely on Kirk this year. we have unproven talent at WR and proven talent with our RBs and OL. this year we had unproven talent at OL and proven talent at WR and QB.

    we had a lot of growing pains with the OL early on this year but once things got in place, they started to get better. i'd expect our WRs to unfold in the same way. We have returning Fowler and Mumphery who coaches rave about as being impact players. only problem is Fowler's been cursed by the injury bug and Mumphery never really had a shot with the older guys in front of him.

    We also have Tony Lippett who is a monster of a skill player who can go both ways, but he's going to have a shot at full time WR in the spring. We also have a stable of new guys: Andre Sims Jr and Juwan Caesar are two guys that have routinely been mentioned as impact scout players (both true freshman, red-shirting).

    Incomers we have Burbridge who everyone knows and MacGarrett Kings who is a Keshawn Martin type player who our coaches believe can come in day 1 and replace Martin. not to mention the fact we could still have Arnett who is an absolute play maker.

    the nice thing with this is we don't need all of them to be great. if two of them emerge and separate themselves from the rest, that's great. if we need to have constant rotation with 4-5 guys who get 30+ catches each, that's fine.

    If you are going to try the "more natural talent" route, then don't get on the Michigan fans who think highly of Gardner like you think highly of Maxwell. Gardner is a 5* with "more natural talent" according to some.

    xxmgobluexx