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Week 1 predictions

  • jimtom27486 said...

    If you do not want to see a blow out then you should turn the channel at half time.

    Yawn.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    By fine he means replacing 3 of 4 starters and the 4th, the only returning starter, is switching to a new position.. then yes.. UM's DL is fine

    Upset that I banned your multiple accounts from the Michigan site?

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  • Peterklima said...

    A "possibility?" Fine. But, you also have to admit it is a possibility that Michigan wins. Neither of those things is likely though.

    The Bama OL might be the best in the country. They are good, but they are still an OL and they still have weaknesses. Do you think bama is getting 5 yards a carry or more on each carry all season against every team. Michigan's DL will be as "technically sound" as any other Bama faces, so it is unlikely they look like the Middle Tenn State line that you seem to be describing.

    It's a possibility that the game stays somewhat close on the scoreboard and Bama wins. There is the tiniest of possibilities that Michigan wins the game.

    I did't say Michigan would look like Middle Tenn St or not have their technique down. I don't think you have the horses up front to hang physically. Is William Campbell going to finally live up to hype? Are Black and Brink big enough to hold their ground or get penetration? Is Craig Roh strong enough to hold the edge? How about Beyer? I don't see it man. LSU has speedy ends that were held in check most of 2 games last season (return 4 starters from last years oline) and they're better than the ones on your roster.

    Do you think Bama avg's more than 4.5 yards per carry against Michigan? I do. They did it 9 times last season so it's not that far out of the norm.

    What's your take on the backup QB, Gardner? Is he serviceable in the passing game if called upon? How about the RB's- Rawls or Smith? Can they absorb a punishment and hold onto the football? Do they have the ability to break a tackle and take one to the house?

    I'm not trying to be arrogant and think we'll steam roll you because we're Bama. I think we're going to steam roll you because our team is better than yours from a physical talent standpoint. We have a team full of #1 recruiting class type players that are competing against some of the best in country just to get on the field. There are players on Bama's sidelines that would start for the majority of the teams out there. Not all teams, but many. Saban is no slouch either. I could be nice and pretend that Michigan has a chance in this one but what good would that do you really? It would just make you more disappointed on Sep 1st.

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    Upset that I banned your multiple accounts from the Michigan site?

    I think that's a legit post. What is so crazy about it?

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    Upset that I banned your multiple accounts from the Michigan site?

    Yea, but doesn't surprise me

    Any time any other fan base goes in there to even have a normal conversation with stated facts, it upsets the UM fan base and you mods ban us because we all don't drink the Hoke koolaid

    If a poster doesn't think UM is the greatest of all time in everything football- you throw a ban..

    It is what it is.. though not sure why you're so sensitive over there..

    copemoney0

  • star69 said...

    I think that's a legit post. What is so crazy about it?

    Some UMers get really sassy and sensitive if you don't believe they are the best at everything and issue bans just so they don't have to hear anything negative about their team

    fail

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    Some UMers get really sassy and sensitive if you don't believe they are the best at everything and issue bans just so they don't have to hear anything negative about their team

    fail

    I post on Michigan board all the time and have never been banned..

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  • star69 said...

    I post on Michigan board all the time and have never been banned..

    Have you gotten into discussion/argument with them before?

    Even if you provide facts- they get pissy or maybe it's just with MSU fans

    copemoney0

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  • *crazylegs* said...

    It's a possibility that the game stays somewhat close on the scoreboard and Bama wins. There is the tiniest of possibilities that Michigan wins the game.

    I did't say Michigan would look like Middle Tenn St or not have their technique down. I don't think you have the horses up front to hang physically. Is William Campbell going to finally live up to hype? Are Black and Brink big enough to hold their ground or get penetration? Is Craig Roh strong enough to hold the edge? How about Beyer? I don't see it man. LSU has speedy ends that were held in check most of 2 games last season (return 4 starters from last years oline) and they're better than the ones on your roster.

    Do you think Bama avg's more than 4.5 yards per carry against Michigan? I do. They did it 9 times last season so it's not that far out of the norm.

    What's your take on the backup QB, Gardner? Is he serviceable in the passing game if called upon? How about the RB's- Rawls or Smith? Can they absorb a punishment and hold onto the football? Do they have the ability to break a tackle and take one to the house?

    I'm not trying to be arrogant and think we'll steam roll you because we're Bama. I think we're going to steam roll you because our team is better than yours from a physical talent standpoint. We have a team full of #1 recruiting class type players that are competing against some of the best in country just to get on the field. There are players on Bama's sidelines that would start for the majority of the teams out there. Not all teams, but many. Saban is no slouch either. I could be nice and pretend that Michigan has a chance in this one but what good would that do you really? It would just make you more disappointed on Sep 1st.

    I don't know about the final YPC average. I predict Bama's big rushing yardage will only come late in the game though, if it comes.

    To answer some questions, Campbell is better this year, but how good, we do not know. He should be able to hang physically though, his problem has been more about technique. THAT is how important technique is compared to strength. Keep that in mind on the next set few comments.

    Black is definitely quick enough to get penetration. he might be SLIGHTLY on the small side, but his speed could easily make up for it. OL generally have the hardest time with speed DL. THAT is one of the reasons the SEC has done so well recently....the speed of their front 7. Brink is probably going to be a back-up and we can run the 2 deep later if you want.

    Roh is strong. I know that the coaches say the outside of our defense is going to be fine. I think if bama has to run outside the tackles alot, Michigan will be in a very good position on the scoreboard.

    I would also be remiss if I didn't point out that Center is not the same position as Tackle. They are very different. Center is a much more cerebral position. Michigan moved a guy over from Guard who was very accustomed to the center spot. He is called a "natural center." How about Bama's switch? Are there going to be missed snaps and assignments? That probably didn't happen much late last year to Bama.

    Gardner will be more a factor while catching than passing.

    Aside from the usual issues (for each team) of who replaces whom and how talented is that kid, you should also be aware of two significant differences from last year that effect most of the Michigan players:

    1. They have started to internalize the playbook. they can expect a jump in speed on offense and defense from not having to "think" so much out there. This is something above and beyond the typical improvement you see from one year to the next with returning guys.

    2. The strength staff has moved away from RichRod's svelte speed look. The players are being coached to be stronger and bigger than they were under the previous regime. It is less likely that the team suffers from getting "pushed around" IF their technique fails. it is more than just overall weight gain. It is strength too. They will be more bruising throughout the roster.

    Rawls is apparently Ingram 2.0 according to his coaches. he will run through you. Hopkins too. We don't rely on scatbacks and slot receivers as much any more.

    Peterklima

  • Peterklima said...

    I would also be remiss if I didn't point out that Center is not the same position as Tackle. They are very different. Center is a much more cerebral position. Michigan moved a guy over from Guard who was very accustomed to the center spot. He is called a "natural center."

    I'm sure he's improved since the Spring Game, but the dude hasn't played competitive Center since HS..

    Ricky Barnum still adjusting to center, Michigan football offensive line 'not good enough' yet

    http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/ricky-barnum-still-adjusting-to-center-michigan-football-offensive-line-not-good-enough-yet/

    www.annarbor.com

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Have you gotten into discussion/argument with them before?

    Even if you provide facts- they get pissy or maybe it's just with MSU fans

    0-4 is not a "fact." Neither UM (Hoke) nor MSU (Dantonio) are 0-4. Neither is your comment that UM only beat the SEC a generation ago. That was just a baseless comment by you.

    When you make false statements like implying Dantonio is 4-0 versus Michigan or that Michigan hasn't beaten the SEC since our father's generation.....well that is why you get banned. Spreading misinformation and passing it off with the implication of fact.

    Peterklima

  • copemoney0 said...

    I'm sure he's improved since the Spring Game, but the dude hasn't played competitive Center since HS..

    Working hard to spread misinformation again?

    We all know there is SOME adjustment. Just not as much for him. That was my point.
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    "He fits that position better than he did playing guard," offensive coordinator Al Borges said. "He can play guard in a minute, but he fits the center well. He's a smart kid, and that's huge for that position because a lot goes into it with the calls and all that. He's done well."

    There are more components to center than any other spot on the line, but Barnum has been working on one of the essentials the past four years.

    Even while playing guard, he would snap with the centers regularly in practice, just to be available if necessary.
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    You still have anything to add to my point that he should have an easier transition than your typical tackle?

    Weak buddy.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Peterklima on 8/15/2012 at 1:36 PM

    Michigan's Ricky Barnum a good fit to replace David Molk at center | Michigan Wolverines | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

    Ricky Barnum insists he's not trying to be David Molk. That would be quite a challenge for the easygoing Barnum.

    www.freep.com

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  • star69 said...

    I post on Michigan board all the time and have never been banned..

    Cope is just upset because I banned him Nigel and DWags for consistently trolling. I gave them all multiple warnings. We have plenty of posters from other fanbases that come and discuss with us.

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    Cope is just upset because I banned him Nigel and DWags for consistently trolling. I gave them all multiple warnings. We have plenty of posters from other fanbases that come and discuss with us.

    You gave me one warning

    And the warning consisted of basically saying don't argue with the UM posters

    copemoney0


  • Peterklima said...

    I don't know about the final YPC average. I predict Bama's big rushing yardage will only come late in the game though, if it comes.

    To answer some questions, Campbell is better this year, but how good, we do not know. He should be able to hang physically though, his problem has been more about technique. THAT is how important technique is compared to strength. Keep that in mind on the next set few comments.

    Black is definitely quick enough to get penetration. he might be SLIGHTLY on the small side, but his speed could easily make up for it. OL generally have the hardest time with speed DL. THAT is one of the reasons the SEC has done so well recently....the speed of their front 7. Brink is probably going to be a back-up and we can run the 2 deep later if you want.

    Roh is strong. I know that the coaches say the outside of our defense is going to be fine. I think if bama has to run outside the tackles alot, Michigan will be in a very good position on the scoreboard.

    I would also be remiss if I didn't point out that Center is not the same position as Tackle. They are very different. Center is a much more cerebral position. Michigan moved a guy over from Guard who was very accustomed to the center spot. He is called a "natural center." How about Bama's switch? Are there going to be missed snaps and assignments? That probably didn't happen much late last year to Bama.

    Gardner will be more a factor while catching than passing.

    Aside from the usual issues (for each team) of who replaces whom and how talented is that kid, you should also be aware of two significant differences from last year that effect most of the Michigan players:

    1. They have started to internalize the playbook. they can expect a jump in speed on offense and defense from not having to "think" so much out there. This is something above and beyond the typical improvement you see from one year to the next with returning guys.

    2. The strength staff has moved away from RichRod's svelte speed look. The players are being coached to be stronger and bigger than they were under the previous regime. It is less likely that the team suffers from getting "pushed around" IF their technique fails. it is more than just overall weight gain. It is strength too. They will be more bruising throughout the roster.

    Rawls is apparently Ingram 2.0 according to his coaches. he will run through you. Hopkins too. We don't rely on scatbacks and slot receivers as much any more.

    Thanks for the detailed reply. Our center transition with Jones is expected go to well because he's one of the more intelligent players on Bama's squad. He should get it mentally with ease but I am concerned about a bad snap here or there. There are 3 guys on the Bama Oline that may go 1st round this year.

    The speed of the Dline in the SEC is key but it's not only speed. The size at which they play with this speed is the difference. The coaches here don't have to go smaller on the DL to get the speed.

    Your ends being around 245 and 265 or so seems like it will be an issue imo. Not speedy enough to get around the edge consistently to cause problems and not big enough to hold the point of attack. We will see soon enough though I suppose.

    I was asking about Gardner because if Denard runs the ball too much he may not finish the game. The LB's for Bama are big and fast.

    Any receiving threats that excel in taking the short route to the house? On the Dline, you'll definitely have to rotate players. Can't have much of a drop off. Bama puts together some pretty long drives offensively.

    Appreciate the confidence and enjoyed the discussion.

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  • yellowfin said...

    NCSU vs UT.... Tough one, but I will go with coaching and Obrien is a very good one. 30-27 or smething like that

    Aub v CU ..... I think Aub as CU is going to rake against weaker teams putting up massive numbers but weak lines will make them more pedestrian versus quality teams. Aubbie is a year or two away from peaking again, but still very solid team

    Mich v Bama.... No contest. Hoke is doing wonderful job, but they dont match versus the elite yet

    You do know our DL is one of the best in the SEC... right?

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  • CptAUmerica21 said...

    You do know our DL is one of the best in the SEC... right?

    Clearly based on Auburn being 94th vs the run in 2011 and 77th in sacks

    shrug

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    Clearly based on Auburn being 94th vs the run in 2011 and 77th in sacks

    shrug

    facepalm_msu

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Clearly based on Auburn being 94th vs the run in 2011 and 77th in sacks

    shrug

    Look at it. Now looks at our new philosophy.

    If you can't cover anyone, and your LB's suck, how are you supposed to be good "clogging holes"

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Clearly based on Auburn being 94th vs the run in 2011 and 77th in sacks

    shrug

    Ssshhh.. don't tell them. They think are competing for the Western Division. It's more fun watching them lose when they thought they had a chance.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Have you gotten into discussion/argument with them before?

    Even if you provide facts- they get pissy or maybe it's just with MSU fans

    Dude all you do is troll Michigan. There's a good percentage of MSU posters on this board that are ridiculously obsessed with UM. You even came in this thread with a full rundown of why our D line is gonna be terrible this year. UM fans hate ND and OSU way more than spartys yet both of those fan bases have posters who are regulars on the UM board because they show respect first. They don't come with the intent of fighting with every UM poster on our own board. Sparty's obsession with UM is crazy.

    As for the D line I'm really not too worried. It won't be good enough to hang with Bama but no ones arguing that. If I came on here this time last year saying Van Bergen and Heininger were in line for huge years I'd be laughed at because they hadn't shown it yet on the field. Neither has this group but based on last year I'm really not that worried.

    This post was edited by mac1992 on 8/15/2012 at 2:26 PM

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Clearly based on Auburn being 94th vs the run in 2011 and 77th in sacks

    shrug

    I thought we were referring to the line for this upcoming season, you know the one that has a new scheme, more experience, and, for now, is injury free.(knock on wood) not last year? Confusing....

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  • *crazylegs* said...

    Ssshhh.. don't tell them. They think are competing for the Western Division. It's more fun watching them lose when they thought they had a chance.

    rumor

    no we don't.

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  • CptAUmerica21 said...

    You do know our DL is one of the best in the SEC... right?

    My bad, wasnt trying to say aub was going to be pedestrian vs better teams cause of their lines(didnt qualify that I meant CU there)

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