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What Exactly is the Big 12 Waiting On?

  • joe1776p said...

    MarineMountie... here's a bit of info, this comes from collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com website..

    Stefan Stevenson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram writes that TCU will “gradually slide into the conference’s revenue-sharing structure over the next four years. TCU will earn 50 percent of the normal $17 million payout in the 2012-13 academic year, 67 percent in 2013-14, 84 percent in 2014-15, and 100 percent in 2015-16.”

    So based on this info that 30 million you say WVU is going to get is way off target. Can't imagine WVU is getting any sweeter of a deal than TCU.

    Yes, WVU is on the same payment scale as TCU. I was giving the numbers for after WVU starts getting 100% payment. We have to pay back some of that money the Big 12 gave us to pay off the Big East. Its only fair. That $17 Million payout was the old TV deal, BTW. It has since been revised to $20 Million.

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  • MarineMountie said...

    Who cares about travel? NFL teams do it every week. ACC teams travel up and down the east coast. They have these things called airplanes these days. I went from eastern NC to California in 6 hours. How long do you think it takes to get from Morgantown, WV to Texas? Not that long.

    Many teams get right around $7 Million tier 3, and they aren't independents. Not sure what you are thinking with that one.

    Yes, WVU, and the other teams in the Big 12 will be right around $30 Million after you add up $20 Million tier 1 and 2 TV deal, tier 3, Champions Bowl with $4 Million per school, other Bowl revenue, ect...

    Its simple math. Hell, I'm not even counting beer sales, which netted around $1.7 Million for WVU last season.

    How about travel for the non-revenue sports? Is there a toll there?

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  • sf2k4 said...

    How about travel for the non-revenue sports? Is there a toll there?

    You are looking too much into travel. Look at Washington and Arizona State in the PAC. Miami in the ACC. Missouri in the SEC. Hell, Penn State in the Big 10. Boston College in the ACC. Travel happens. WVU still gets 7 home games per year. Its not like we travel 12 times during a football season. Non-revenue? I'm sure the beer sales cover itbiggrin

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  • MarineMountie said...

    You are looking too much into travel. Look at Washington and Arizona State in the PAC. Miami in the ACC. Missouri in the SEC. Hell, Penn State in the Big 10. Boston College in the ACC. Travel happens. WVU still gets 7 home games per year. Its not like we travel 12 times during a football season. Non-revenue? I'm sure the beer sales cover itbiggrin

    I'm was just sayin' that there are only a few sports that actually turn a profit but all of them have to travel. Hell, even with the ridiculous athletic budget we have at Alabama, I was still slightly amazed they chartered 3 planes to take the Million Dollar Band from Tuscaloosa to L.A. and back in '09. Rather than splitting us amongst a few other flights, I mean.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I agree, but the real problem with the B12 is it is inherently unstable. Everything hinges on UT. Everything. And UT has made it abundantly clear they will always do whatever is in their own best interests. That might be a tolerable risk for a school like Iowa State, which has no other real alternatives, but it can't be seen as an acceptable situation by schools like Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. We've already seen Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri and A&M leave. Trust me, no school in the B12 feels safe and secure right now as far as the long-term survival of the B12 is concerned.

    Also, I know everyone in the B12 likes to throw around the Grant of Rights as the great solution to everything. It is no such thing. It is a temporary fix. UT agreed to the GOR because it needed time to get LHN up and running. It wanted a 5 year GOR and ended up getting pushed into a 13 year GOR, but either way every year that passes reduces the cost of exit from the B12 until that cost evaporates entirely when the GOR expires. In effect, the GOR has put the other nine B12 schools on the clock to find a long term solution before the GOR runs out or before some group of smart lawyers finds a way around it. If UT ever decides it is in their best interests to leave the B12 to go to another conference or to go independent, it will do so. And at that point the B12 will collapse.

    UT won't leave. Just stop. Going independent in the new playoff format will make it difficult to get a shot at the title, unless you are Notre Dame. Since the Big12/SEC agreed to play in the Champions Bowl, the conference is even more stable. If UT goes independent, they have to change the whole playoff format.

    I know you're almighty Michigan but the B1G just adding Maryland and Rutgers just further sets up the conference for BCS game disappointments year in and year out.

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  • To answer the OP,

    There is no hurry for the Big12 to expand at the moment. We aren't the B1G and add UMD and RU, who depress the quality opponents in the conference. RU has never beaten WVU and WVU has owned UMD recently in our series.

    I just don't see a rush for the next round to expansion as of yet. The next round will be about what works for each school looking to leave. I don't see Texas going to the Pac12 or independent like Mr.Woodson seemed confident about. Texas leaving the Big12 for the Pac12 or independent will hurt their recruiting more than Texas A&M leaving for the SEC. The problem at Texas right now is Mack Brown. He needs to go. Once that job opens, they'll hire anyone.

    I expect the Big12 will be looking to add these schools in the next round: FSU, Clemson, GT and VT (I expect the SEC to look hard at VT too.) For Mr.Woodson to assume the Big12 is as unstable as it was before the additions of TCU and WVU is plain B1G ignorance. However, the next round of expansion for every conference is probably 5-7 years down the road.

    If the Big12 adds 2 of the 4 teams I mentioned, it becomes stable and set for the long-run.

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    ChipperWestB ●

  • just my opinion,

    Big12 is waiting to see what the playoff format will be, and how the selection committees are formed.

    If it seems like the committee will factor in the extra losses round robins brings, we will stick with 10.

    Otherwise you can bet that the Big12 guys are watching how the SEC is using scheduling to give advantages to its teams , and will follow in suit.

    horned_lurker

  • In the next 5 years I would be shocked if the Big 12 wasn't the Big 16 and looked as follows:

    WEST: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas & Kansas State

    EAST: FSU, Miami, West Va., Iowa State, Clemson, Louisville, and 2* of (Ga. Tech, N.C. State, Duke, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, or Boston College).

    *If Notre Dame gets the Texas treatment they would probably consider jumping on board.

    This post was edited by hines011 on 1/4/2013 at 5:39 PM

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