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joetheogre said...
The NCAA is a voluntary association and thus can do whatever the hell they want to. The member institutions and board gave Emmert this power for only this situation.
You are free to leave at any time if you want to. Go NAIA and knock yourself out.
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Could it help reduce it? What purpose does shutting down the football program serve. If you just step back and think for a second. It is the biggest money maker on campus. We are getting federal funding cut for Cleary Act violations, we are getting civil suits and may lose more than 200 million. Now you want to cripple the biggest money maker and punish the actual school, when they have fired the individuals solely responsible, and they will all be in jail soon? The criminal penal system is just that. It punishes crimes. The NCAA is punishing financially on top of GOVERNMENT AGENCIES and actual LEGAL REMEDIES FOR THE ACTUAL VICTIMS... Where they have NO JURISDICTION to do so. Over-step their boundaries and pile on to basically cripple the school as a whole. You act like what the Feds are going to do and what the survivors will get from civil suits is not enough? It will be the biggest pay out a school has ever done, and federal funding will be cut to a STATE SCHOOL. That is very significant. What the NCAA is doing in NO way helps the actual victims, future victims of child abuse elsewhere, or current students of the school or faculty/staff/teachers that had nothing to do with any of this. It is excessive and fueled by public opinion. The school will be punished. The NCAA has no grounds and has no business in criminal matters. They can't even get right what they are charged to do- regulate competitive balance and collegiate sports. Now they want to play police, judge and jury? All the while not even conducting their own investigation. Lazy, power-hungry, and short sighted. Do you think the survivors will actually want to punish Penn State students when the totality of all these sanctions taken together (feds/Cleary Act, Victim civil trial damages, and NCAA sanctions) increase tuition, decrease enrollment and shut down satellite campuses? Do you think this in any way benefits any current of future victims of child abuse? Or do you think that playing in a major bowl and dedicating 25-30 percent of the millions of dollars would be a bigger help? Seriously think about it for a second.
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And you don't think that this will be appealed? There is still due process in the contract. Contract violations and violations of a collective bargaining agreement can be appealed in court or arbitration... Not giving Penn State the opportunity to go through due process can be tried and will be tried in court. If the President of PSU did not have any role in these sanctions, it violates due process. For those that do not use logic, Joe Schad recently reported the same on ESPN, so it must be true.
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chasfcd11 said...
I'm not a lawyer, so I hope you don't expect me to answer your question. Google Michael Buckner's statement on possible NCAA sanctions for PSU and it comes up. It's a well thought-out legal analysis of the situation written by a sports lawyer. It basically says that Emmert may be making a big mistake. If you don't want to read it, so be it, but you can't really object to what I say since I did read it and I am now informed!
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joetheogre said...
Good luck with that. You will only piss off more of the public in general.
I don't think I can stress enough how little most Americans want to hear excuse making. It's would be the equivalent of hearing James Holmes mother talk about what a sweet boy he was. No one wants to hear that shit
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I don't give a shit about due process.
No one wants to hear this shit. Just STFU and deal with this. Your school is a blight on college athletics. The more your protest the less people will respect your school.
The NCAA is going to announce crippling sanctions. They will not be overturned. Penn State is going to lose a lot of prestige. Deal with it.
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LaBornNRaised said...
Hey loon,
Your school(the leaders of the SCHOOL) harbored a pedophile for over a decade. Do u not see how fucked that is? Think about it for a second. Don't dare say it was just 5 people. It was 5 people that were in control at your university, IN CONTROL AT YOUR UNIVERSITY AND THEY HELPED A PEDOPHILE CONTINUE TO BE A PEDOPHILE. You are a sick individual defending this shit.
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I don't give a shit about due process.
No one wants to hear this shit. Just STFU and deal with this. Your school is a blight on college athletics. The more your protest the less people will respect your school.
The NCAA is going to announce crippling sanctions. They will not be overturned. Penn State is going to lose a lot of prestige. Deal with it.
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WillyWolverine said...
The more people try to blame the alums, students, faculty, staff member and basically the university as a whole the less I respect them. I have lost so much respect for the posters of tBB and college football fans as a whole.
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GoingLightBarny said...
i really don't get this one.
so, because people on tBB think the alums, and fans are creepy for standing up for a man that knew about a situation and did virtually nothing to stop it... well, you see, right?
and the staff, well, you do understand that the staff that was in place at the time basically just all handed off the responsibility of the issue to someone else...
ha ha ha ha... i guess the sensibilities of the masses do not agree with your higher ethical stance.
is your stance some new form of relativism that i have not seen yet?
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Well I don't believe all alums and fans are standing up for the people who covered this up. I believe most understand how horrible this is. By staff I was referring to the ones not involved in the cover up.
What I am talking about is the hundreds of thousands of PSU fans, alums, etc... that had no idea this was going on. Why are they being blamed for this? Why does everyone want their blood? The leadership that covered this up basically failed these people as well and now everyone wants to blame those people. I don't get the hate and bloodlust for the people who had nothing to do with the cover up.
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Well I don't believe all alums and fans are standing up for the people who covered this up. I believe most understand how horrible this is. By staff I was referring to the ones not involved in the cover up.
What I am talking about is the hundreds of thousands of PSU fans, alums, etc... that had no idea this was going on. Why are they being blamed for this? Why does everyone want their blood? The leadership that covered this up basically failed these people as well and now everyone wants to blame those people. I don't get the hate and bloodlust for the people who had nothing to do with the cover up.
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GoingLightBarny said...
so, you think that ALL of the alum, fans, and everyone else is being blamed for this?
the only thing i can think of is that you are arguing against the punishment?
i think you are misunderstanding the fact that everyone hates penn state much like everyone hated germany.
not everyone in germany was in the SS, or even a Nazi... but they were all equally reviled during the war... why is that?
thanks, and goodbye
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Maybe because this wasn't a war and the elimination of a million jewish people (or whatever the number was)? Maybe people need to direct more anger at the men and not at the university?
But no, it's easier to just hate a Name.
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so, you think that ALL of the alum, fans, and everyone else is being blamed for this?
the only thing i can think of is that you are arguing against the punishment?
i think you are misunderstanding the fact that everyone hates penn state much like everyone hated germany.
not everyone in germany was in the SS, or even a Nazi... but they were all equally reviled during the war... why is that?
thanks, and goodbye
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WillyWolverine said...
Yes. I have read numerous threads where different posters are blaming alum, fans, etc...
Yes i would prefer the NCAA to stay out of it. I want the legal system to handle this. Prison time for the people who covered this up is what i want to see. Civil suits against the university and individuals involved in the cover up.
But why does everyone hate Penn State? I can understand the hate for the individuals involved but the hate for all of Penn State is illogical. So I should hate some kid from Penn State that i have never met because the leadership at his University covered up child rape? That just makes no sense to me.
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GoingLightBarny said...
this is funny.
you are taking the behavior of EVERY fan base, for EVERY team, for EVERY situation... hell, fan bases do it so much that each person ends up taking the whole program, fan base, school, institution, and EVERYTHING about a school, as a whole.
this is not a new phenomenon, but i get it... everyone expects it to change when it for whatever reason, but then they go right back to the illogical behavior of lumping everyone in with everything else.
you think the hate for Penn State is so illogical, what about your hate for Michigan State, and all the rest of the rivalry crap?
oh, and unfortunately, when you do something wrong, as an institution, you don't get to choose your punishment. That's just not how it works.
and i just told you why everyone hates penn state. so stop being simple and just understand
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