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This post was edited by BamaBornDukie on 5/10/2012 at 12:50 PM
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Shaq discusses Hakeem and Ewing - NBA Open...
The Open Court panel weighs in on two of the top centers of the 1990s
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goldfd said...
I'll just do Centers.
1. Wilt 2. Kareem 3. Shaq 4. Russell 5. Hakeem
Ranking Russell #1 because of his rings is ridiculous. It's a team sport and he had by far the most talent on his team throughout his entire career. He was consistently dominated by Wilt every time they matched up against each other. 3-5 could go in any order IMO.
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BamaBornDukie said...
Really wonder if people have truly watched the game and know the numbers when Hakeem "The Dream" is NOT among the top 3 Centers. Dude played in the "Age of The Center" and was absolutely the best of the era as he dominated them all. Not to mention being the top shot blocker in NBA History and being in the top 10 for All-Time Steals.
For icing on the cake....he's one of the "few" athletes that has become richer after his sports career. Thinking A.I. and TO should ask "Dream" for some advice.
Shaq was more "dominant".......but Dream was the better basketball player.
Posted before and will post again......Dream is the DEAL.
I can only shake my head when I hear my younger brother's friends saw Dwight Howard is better than Dream....No WAY IN H*LL.
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AlwaysMore said...
Thats all balogna.
You know how many championships the Celtics won the year before Russell came along?
Its the same number that Charles Barkley and Karl Malone won in their careers. Zero. All that supposed talent, and thats how much they were winning. When Russell came to the Celtics they were a franchise that had never been to an NBA finals, much less win one. They had never won their division.
Russell gets there, and all that changes. The single greatest winner in the history of major American sports. Not only does he take an also ran program like San Francisco to not one but TWO national titles, not only does he then go over and win a gold medal in the Olympics, he also gives Boston its first title in his rookie year.
Russell was the single greatest defensive player and rebounder in the history of the game. The ENTIRE history of the NBA. Thats why hes the greatest winner.
O'Neal is a great example of a player that was as good as he was ever going to be the day he arrived in the league. He never developed a single aspect of his game, beyond what raw talent and size gave him. You want proof of this? Here are two things.
1-He never did anything about his free throw shooting.
2-His best year as a rebounder? His freaking rookie year. He never used his size or athleticism to become a great rebounder, and he was always a bad defender and mediocre shot blocker.
He spent more than half his career completely out of shape, making no effort to better himself or evolve as a player.
Its ridiculous the love this lazy idiot gets from modern fans. There is a reason that he got traded not once, not twice but THREE times in his career. He was worth more as potential trade bait than on the floor.
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AlwaysMore said...
Yeah...and Shaq the fat was still a bad defender and mediocre rebounder.
Dennis Rodman was a stick figure when compared to Shaq, but he was ten times the rebounder.
O'neal was one dimensional, and never improved. Not one iota in any facet of his game.
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eastcoastghost said...
This is why I dont like to compare eras. Im sure Bill Russell would have lifted more and put on more weight in todays game. I think Wilt is the greatest. 7'0, 275 pure muscle. Incredible athlete. Would have dominated today
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AlwaysMore said...
Hes actually sixth. And his scoring average is less than anyone in the top five. He played more than 200 more games than Wilt Chamberlain, and scored 3000 fewer points. Thats two and a half more seasons.
Tell people what they want to hear, they will like you. Tell them the actual truth...they may not.
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BamaBornDukie said...
He also played against players that were physically superior to those Wilt played against.
No really a fair comparison between guys that played so many years apart in a "different" game. So personally I don't think either of you can win or lose this argument.
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AlwaysMore said...
In what way?
Who are the centers O'Neil played against at the height of his career? Lets look at those physically superior players.
From 2000 to 2006, the years when O'Neil was at the height of his powers, here were the second team centers in the league. The second best players at O'Neails position.
2000-Alonzo Mourning 2001-Dikembe Motumbo 2002-Chrs Webber 2003-Ben Wallace 2004-Ben Wallace 2005-Amar'e Stoudamire 2006-Ben Wallace
Only one of these guys was a seven footer.......(Motumbo) Ben Wallace is the same height as Bill Russell, except Russell was about ten times the athlete as Wallace, who won a couple of defensive players of the year awards.
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eastcoastghost said...
I loved watching Shaq. Freak player, incredible size, strength, and athleticism. Loved the way would pivot and throw it down. He wasnt the most dedicated athlete, but so what. Theres a good chance well never see another guy like him. He would have put up the same numbers as Wilt if he played in the 60s
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IrishImpact said...
We will never see another player like Shaq...exactly. The league has nobody like Shaq. Kobe gave us some of what we missed when Jordan left, and LeBron gives us some of Magic's flair. But there's no facsimile to Shaq, no big, young, prodigiously talented youngster who rattles rims and flattens 7-footers with his rump backing into the basket. Nineteen years is a long, long time to do anything that requires that much physicality, and Shaq's time as a player of consequence has been done for a minute or two. Howard (I guess) has the potential to be dominant. But I don't think he ever will be.
Is the center position truly dead?
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BamaBornDukie said...
Shaq came into the league in 1992. So you conveniently omitted that info in terms of the Centers that were in the league at that point.
I think I remember you from RIvals.....Always spitting out GIBBERISH. Replying to your comments is a waste of my calories. You were a CLOWN then....and you're still a CLOWN!
Folks like you are why I left Rivals.
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ilovelamp51 said...
I just want Sir Charles to nail him in the face again with a basketball.... Classic Chuck.
Here is the one thing I do know......if they let that fight go on, Sir Charles, after the masterful takedown of the 7 footer, would have finished him off with some serious ground and pound.
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