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theFightingtide said...
2. Just because someone works longer doesn't mean it is harder, so there really isn't all that much correlation between work length and difficulty. Could it be stressing to the brain? Most likely, that doesn't mean people could not squeeze in time for some exercise.
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You shouldn't speak in absolutes. Are there some people who have the power to change it? Of course. Are their some people who, because of circumstances beyond their control, are powerless to make meaningful changes? Yes.
I've noticed a disturbing overraction to the perceived lack of "personal accountability" in our country. On the one hand, we, as a society, do need more personal accountability. The overrraction to it is really irritating, though. We have huge portions of the population who look down on people because of their life circumstances, with no knowledge or understanding of the factors that lead someone into those circumstnaces.
Poverty begets more poverty. And poverty also leads to obesity, because healthy food is expensive and in most poor neighborhoods, doesn't even exist. We have thousands of "food deserts" in the poorest neighborhoods in our country, where the closest grocery store is more than 3 miles away. What are those people supposed to do to get healthy food?
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I know this isn't exactly what you said, and I'm also a proponent of finding time to exercise, but why is it if a job is intellectually taxing but not physically taxing people think it's not hard work?
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theFightingtide said...
congrats on all that good work man. No doubt there was a lot of times you wanted to quit, but you persevered.
I think people are misunderstanding me in this thread. I think parenting does have an influence, but at some point you choose to continue down that path or stray away from it.
i would say Parenting- 35-40%
Self choice 60-65%
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theFightingtide said...
Unless someone is physically or mentally handicapped I just believe there can be a change.
You name some scenarios and I will provide a possible solution. If I cannot then i will admit that I am wrong.
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The Coleman Kid said...
What about circumstance? What percentage is that? And is it purely coincidence that there is powerful correlation between poverty and obesity?
Too many people in this world were born on third base and act like they hit a triple. And they all say the same things: My dad tought me personal responsibility; I had to work hard; I had a paper route, blah, blah, blah. Was the power ever turned off when you got home? Did you have to take a minimum wage job at McDonald's when you were 14 to help pay for your baby sibling's diapers? Were you ever the victim of gang violence? Did you have to try to make it in school without any textbooks?
There have been dozens of studies that show that in extremely poor neighborhoods, more than half of the women will be the victim of sexual assault before their 16th birthday. And it's also no surprise that there is a stasticial correlation between female obesity and having been the victim of sexual abuse. So what percentage does that play in your little "65% self choice" conclusion?
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theFightingtide said...
I made that up off of the top of my head.
I know that it is VERY unfortunate for those kids, but you don't have to stay their your whole life. Go join the military, get out and apply every single place you can.
If you absolutely cannot get a job, well I guess that is possible and outside of my calculations.
I never said it would be a road full of fun and happiness, it could be the most challenging thing that someone has ever done, but that DOES NOT change the fact it is possible. I wish I had the means to help all those unfortunate kids, as you said the statistical data is not in their favor, but the fact is their will always be poverty.
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Okay. Here goes. And this is not a rare situation. This is pretty typical for a girl born into poverty.
Girl is born into a single family home. Mom sometimes works at a burger joint; sometimes works as a hooker. She turns her tricks in the house. Dad is not known. Girl drops out of high school at age 14 to get a full time job to help pay bills. Lights are on in the house, maybe 60% of the time. By 15, she is being routinely raped by boys in the neighborhood. She begins to self loathe and despises the fact that she has apretty figure, which she begans to try to lose. She has a terrible body image.
At 18, she has 2 children, perhaps the product of a rape. She works two full time jobs to try to provide for her children. She lives in a neighborhood where the closest grocery store is 3.5 miles away. She doesn't have a car, of course, and taking the bus would require her to take a 25 minute bus ride downtown, change buses, and take another 15 minute bus ride, and then walk 3 blocks to a grocery store, buy groceries, and then carry them back to the bus stop.
Two blocks away, in her neighborhood, there is a convenience store that sells cheap crap to eat.
Your turn.
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The Coleman Kid said...
We agree on a lot of what you said. And 1 out of 100 of those kids will make it out that situation. It just drives me crazy when people act like thw problem with the other 99 is that they just don't have and "personal accountability" or work ethic.
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As someone who grew up dirt f'ing poor and obese, I am all about accountability and personal responsibility. I also have spent the last 3yrs studying and doing primary research on this specific topic from an epidemiological standpoint. Be careful about speaking in absolutes.
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Till a certain point yes, but if those kids got jobs they would have money to spend on better food. You can always change it around, but they choose not to, because of laziness.
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My bad, Retreaded.
Still nothing to say? I guess that is a sign of someone who doesn't like what someone else has to say, but has nothing really to refute it.
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