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What is Sandusky's jury debating.....

  • A lot of ignorance is this thread for sure.

    Easy to see how Dan Bernstein has an audience.

    F the NCAA F the BOT F ESPN F Sandusky

    PSU42Fan

  • shavisimo2 said...

    We hid it right in plane sight. You idiots should see the criminals we openly harbor up here. 110,000 people certainly don't visit on football weekends to watch the games.

    Dude, just listen to the name. Happy Valley sounds gay as hell

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  • PSU42Fan said...

    A lot of ignorance is this thread for sure.

    Easy to see how Dan Bernstein has an audience.

    FVCK YOU

    LScootU

  • aumajorpain said...

    Dude, just listen to the name. Happy Valley sounds gay as hell

    Happy valley where kids come and get a$$ raped

    LScootU

  • PSU42Fan said...

    A lot of ignorance is this thread for sure.

    Easy to see how Dan Bernstein has an audience.

    Ignorance? The fact some of you even try to justify this is baffling

    BELLEFONTE, Pa. -- Jurors will return Friday to deliberate in the child sex abuse trial of former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky.

    The jury talked about the case for more than eight hours Thursday before ending deliberations at about 9:30 p.m.

    Earlier in the evening, the jurors asked to rehear testimony from two witnesses.

    They want to listen again to the testimony of Mike McQueary, a onetime Penn State graduate assistant who reported seeing Sandusky assault a boy in a shower. They also want to rehear the testimony of Dr. Jonathan Dranov, who testified that McQueary gave him a different account of what he saw.

    They'll rehear the testimony Friday.

    Sandusky is accused of sexual abuse of 10 boys over a 15-year period, allegations he's denied.

    The jurors deliberating child sex abuse charges against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky have asked to rehear testimony from two witnesses.

    The jurors want to listen again to the testimony of Mike McQueary, a onetime Penn State graduate assistant who reported seeing Sandusky assault a boy in a shower. They also want to rehear the testimony of Dr. Jonathan Dranov, who testified that McQueary gave him a different account of what he saw.

    The jurors made the request of Judge John Cleland on Thursday evening, more than seven hours after they began their deliberations.

    Cleland suggested they might want to adjourn for the evening. They exited the court room to talk about it.

    Sandusky is accused of sexual abuse of 10 boys over a 15-year period, allegations he's denied.
    Copyright 2012 by STATS LLC and The Associated Press. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of STATS LLC and The Associated Press is strictly prohibited.

    Coastal Eer

  • Coastal Eer said...

    They just said on the news the jury asked to hear Mcqueary and Dr. Jonathan Dranov's testimony again before they broke for the night and will he hear it in the morning

    McQueary the defense caught him on some timeline stuff even though the victims confirmed what happened, McQueary didnt know the exact timeline

    Dr. Jonathan Dranov' testified McQueary gave him a different account to what he told the jury

    They are ignoring the victims and setting up the few holes to let him off

    This case never should have happened in happy valley. Fans of College football let this happen for years and they will let him off

    Uhh... I don't think you understand how this is done. Each count is decided on separately. The McQueary testimony is important to that victims' charges only. And since they don't have a victim, they have to decide if McQueary's testimony is legit. Dranov giving a different account of what MM told them certainly produces doubt as does the fact that MM didn't actually *see* sex. I do not think there is enough there to find Sandusky guilty on the charges *FOR THAT VICTIM ONLY*.

    There are stronger charges than others. He won't get convicted of them all, but should get convicted of enough to keep his ass in jail for the rest of his life. How about you guys let the verdict come out before vilifying the jurors with PSU ties?

    getmyjive11

  • aumajorpain said...

    Dude, just listen to the name. Happy Valley sounds gay as hell

    It may be the gayest place I have ever heard of, and I live in Orlando, FL

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    Uhh... I don't think you understand how this is done. Each count is decided on separately. The McQueary testimony is important to that victims' charges only. And since they don't have a victim, they have to decide if McQueary's testimony is legit. Dranov giving a different account of what MM told them certainly produces doubt as does the fact that MM didn't actually *see* sex. I do not think there is enough there to find Sandusky guilty on the charges *FOR THAT VICTIM ONLY*.

    There are stronger charges than others. He won't get convicted of them all, but should get convicted of enough to keep his ass in jail for the rest of his life. How about you guys let the verdict come out before vilifying the jurors with PSU ties?

    Standing in a shower with a boy holding him while other victims have testified that pattern..its obvious without a doubt what was happening. They are looking for a loop hole- why else ask to only rehear those specific testimonies?

    The defense played on Penn State in the closing remarks and if he gets off we all know why.

    Keep justifying kids being raped because you like a football team

    Coastal Eer

  • Coastal Eer said...

    Standing in a shower with a boy holding him while other victims have testified that pattern..its obvious without a doubt what was happening. They are looking for a loop hole- why else ask to only rehear those specific testimonies?

    The defense played on Penn State in the closing remarks and if he gets off we all know why.

    Keep justifying kids being raped because you like a football team

    Ok, just stop. Do you want to have a real discussion about this or say BS like "Keep justifying kids being raped because you like a football team"?

    When you don't have a victim and the account of the star witness is disputed by a family friend who he confided with that night, you are going to have a hard time convicting someone of a crime in that instance. Now do I think he did it to that boy? Yeah, I do. But that is not how the legal system works.

    getmyjive11

  • Coastal Eer said...

    Keep justifying kids being raped because you like a football team

    You should go to our board. I love the thread we have going titled "It helped the football team, and it's only child rape"

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    shavisimo2

  • ezel4 said...

    It may be the gayest place I have ever heard of, and I live in Orlando, FL

    its called happy valley because the great depression barely touched in state college, so they werent depressed... they were happy...

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    Ok, just stop. Do you want to have a real discussion about this or say BS like "Keep justifying kids being raped because you like a football team"?

    When you don't have a victim and the account of the star witness is disputed by a family friend who he confided with that night, you are going to have a hard time convicting someone of a crime in that instance. Now do I think he did it to that boy? Yeah, I do. But that is not how the legal system works.

    But do you take the fiends word over the accounts from 8 people abused? How do you know the friend didn't remember it right?

    I haven't followed the trial, I'm just asking.

    ButchCassidy

  • Understand it just worries me. his testimony is what started it all and gave all these victims the strength to step forward. Makes me sick they would let him off of that charge in particular. But if he was found guilty of the rest ok

    Its just if you play devils advocate and say how would you get him off if you want to- its starts with those two testimonies

    Coastal Eer

  • shavisimo2 said...

    You should go to our board. I love the thread we have going titled "It helped the football team, and it's only child rape"

    Yeah, that one is good. I'm personally enjoying the "Little Liars" thread as well.

    getmyjive11

  • Coastal Eer said...

    Understand it just worries me. his testimony is what started it all and gave all these victims the strength to step forward. Makes me sick they would let him off of that charge in particular. But if he was found guilty of the rest ok

    Its just if you play devils advocate and say how would you get him off if you want to- its starts with those two testimonies

    because mcqueary is the only witness and he has changed his story 4 times, it isnt that hard to comprehend.... don't worry jerry sandusky only needs a 15ish year sentence for it to be a life sentence and he will get much much more than 15 years

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  • ejb5212 said...

    its called happy valley because the great depression barely touched in state college, so they werent depressed... they were happy...

    Good enough for me

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    ezel4

  • shavisimo2 said...

    You should go to our board. I love the thread we have going titled "It helped the football team, and it's only child rape"

    most upvoted thread on our board IIRC

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  • ButchCassidy said...

    But do you take the fiends word over the accounts from 8 people abused? How do you know the friend didn't remember it right?

    I haven't followed the trial, I'm just asking.

    I don't know what exactly happened because McQueary changed his story several times, and the family friend testified that McQueary was too distraught to say exactly what he saw. Also, McQueary testified that he did not see the actual act of sex and he was making an assumption as to what was going on.

    Again, what I believe and what the eyes of the law see are two different things. I believe that Sandusky was having sex with that boy. But I also think that there is enough inconsistencies and vagueness with that victim that he will not be found guilty (ONLY WITH THAT VICTIM).

    getmyjive11

  • getmyjive11 said...

    I don't know what exactly happened because McQueary changed his story several times, and the family friend testified that McQueary was too distraught to say exactly what he saw. Also, McQueary testified that he did not see the actual act of sex and he was making an assumption as to what was going on.

    Again, what I believe and what the eyes of the law see are two different things. I believe that Sandusky was having sex with that boy. But I also think that there is enough inconsistencies and vagueness with that victim that he will not be found guilty (ONLY WITH THAT VICTIM).

    shame on you, putting your football team before those kids... youre such a cult member soapboxgrumble

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  • Coastal Eer said...

    Understand it just worries me. his testimony is what started it all and gave all these victims the strength to step forward. Makes me sick they would let him off of that charge in particular. But if he was found guilty of the rest ok

    Its just if you play devils advocate and say how would you get him off if you want to- its starts with those two testimonies

    Actually, that is wrong. It started with victim number one reporting that Sandusky molested him. The McQueary/PSU shower thing came after the investigation started.

    getmyjive11

  • ejb5212 said...

    shame on you, putting your football team before those kids... youre such a cult member soapboxgrumble

    Sorry bro, but my life is not complete if football isn't competing at a high level. We can't let a couple of little tattle tales get in the way of our road to football glory. stache

    getmyjive11

  • getmyjive11 said...

    Actually, that is wrong. It started with victim number one reporting that Sandusky molested him. The McQueary/PSU shower thing came after the investigation started.

    I thought the investigation started after an anonymous email stating what happened and directing LE to McQueary.

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  • MsnBama said...

    I thought the investigation started after an anonymous email stating what happened and directing LE to McQueary.

    No, the investigation started when victim #1 told his school that there was an issue with Sandusky. Then in private sessions with his psychologist, it came out as to what happened.

    getmyjive11

  • Here's some interesting points. keep in mind I don't give a rip about the outcome of this trial, Sandusky will meet his fate with the man above.

    One is why in the world would his wife stick with him and defend him after all of this came out? You think she would have left him long ago, no way she didn't know.

    Second is so all of a sudden Sandusky becomes a pedo at age 55? Something doesn't add up there.

    THE "FELLS ACRE" RITUAL ABUSE CASE

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    cuznchips28

  • cuznchips28 said...

    Here's some interesting points. keep in mind I don't give a rip about the outcome of this trial, Sandusky will meet his fate with the man above.

    One is why in the world would his wife stick with him and defend him after all of this came out? You think she would have left him long ago, no way she didn't know.

    Second is so all of a sudden Sandusky becomes a pedo at age 55? Something doesn't add up there.

    That was basically Sandusky's lawyer's closing argument, but then you would have to ask "why have so many people, some with zero to gain in all this, have it out to get Jerry?" What is the gain for McQueary? What is the gain for the police? What is the gain for the janitor (or in this case, the janitor's co-worker who was allowed to testify what the janitor told him)?

    getmyjive11