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What is wrong with ND Football?

  • Your coach is a very good X and O coach but him yelling at people on national tv hurts.

    Players probably walk on eggshells to be honest and when you're tight, you lose games. Plus I'm sure other schools use stuff like that to recruit negatively.

    Weis was terrible too, not much else needs to be said there.

    Willingham was terrible.. Good recruiter but not a good coach.

    For a stretch it's def coaching, IMO.

    Also, not in a racist way at all but ND is not a "sexy" school to the black athlete right now.

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  • CWEBB said...

    Assuming BK is gone after this year, who’s got the best shot at this job? Would Pete Carroll give it a look if the Seahawks decide to get rid of him after this season?

    Petrino

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  • stoptothink said...

    Petrino

    lol Nah I’m thinking Skip Holtz.

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  • Coaching and program...As a Wisconsin fan I know Notre Dame gets "better" kids than Wisconsin on average. However, since 2008, ie kids Weis either recruited or developed, 10 were drafted from Notre Dame. Wisconsin had 15. The difference is not their talent when they were 17, it's bad coaching/development. A few studs and hard workers will succeed despite bad coaching, but collage coaches do need to have a program, both on and off the field, of developing players. A culture in which the juniors tell the freshmen that they need to work because that's what makes a winner. That sort of thing.

    You need a football culture and good coaches. Maybe Kelly is the guy, it's a the third year so sign should start this year.

    "We don't care about anything but winning. No one cares about ethical standards thats for losers..." BUCKNUTS 21 self trolling.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Bingo. You need to find your Pat Fitzgerald or Jim Harbaugh or Brady Hoke. Brian Kelly is just not the right coach.

    We need to find our Fitzgerald or Hoke? Are you kidding me? How about Meyer and Saban?

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  • gonoles2011 said...

    Fixed it for you...

    mr funny man nice. Nice. Nice had to say it tripletime.

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  • IrishImpact said...

    We need to find our Fitzgerald or Hoke? Are you kidding me? How about Meyer and Saban?

    Harbaugh would have been perfect. Saban doesn't like bringing a program back from the dead...and meyer...............no don't need a coach swooning on the sidelines, clutching his chest.

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  • IrishImpact said...

    We need to find our Fitzgerald or Hoke? Are you kidding me? How about Meyer and Saban?

    Say what you want about Hoke he's got the job done. I know it's hard to admit, but ND hasn't seen that level of success in a long time on the field, or in recruiting.

    You need to find a guy who loves ND, knows what it stands for and sells that well. Fitzgerald has been a great hire for NW, Dantonio for MSU. All these guys don't have the egos and are in it for the kids as opposed to themselves.

    Kelly doesn't care about ND, he cares about his reputation and thought ND would be a good platform for him. ND is a sleeping giant, get someone in there who is blue collared loves the school and they will go to work IMO.

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    Harbaugh would have been perfect. Saban doesn't like bringing a program back from the dead...and meyer...............no don't need a coach swooning on the sidelines, clutching his chest.

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    Harbaugh to Coach at ND? Please. If he goes anywhere in the midwest it's Michigan, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    slap

    Harbaugh to Coach at ND? Please. If he goes anywhere in the midwest it's Michigan, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

    Don't slap a girl, lol.

    Harbaugh is doing just fine in the NFL, but he would have been perfect at Notre Dame. I thought he burned his bridges at Michigan? No?

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    slap

    Harbaugh to Coach at ND? Please. If he goes anywhere in the midwest it's Michigan, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

    Doesn't Mike Hart have to reinstate Harbaugh's Michigan Man status first? What the the odds of him refusing to do so?

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    Don't slap a girl, lol.

    Harbaugh is doing just fine in the NFL, but he would have been perfect at Notre Dame. I thought he burned his bridges at Michigan? No?

    Some Michigan fans like to convince themselves of that, at the end of the day I'm darn sure if he was hired Michigan fans would go nuts (in happiness). He made a totally ridiculous and hypocritical comment about Michigan academics, but fans would get over it.

    I think Michigan fans say he burned the bridges just to ease the sting of him turning us down. I dunno what the deal was 2 years ago, but there was some smoke he and our AD had a handshake agreement from after tOSU game he would be coach. Then he blew up, and we had no shot.

    Harbaugh still idolizes Bo, and uses a lot of his phrases etc. for his teams. If he comes back to college if the timing is right he will be at Michigan. I think that ship has sailed though, he's an amazing coach I don't think he ever leaves the NFL.

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  • a2brutus said...

    this....

    wow! thats a tough schedule (no sarcasm)

    It also shows the importance of coaching in general, and that no program is truly "idiot proof".

    Look at LSU under DiNardo, Bama post-Bryant, Texas under McWilliams/Mackovic, Oklahoma under Blake (plus Schnellenberger and Gibbs before that), Ohio State in their 1 year under Fickell, and quite frankly, the John Cooper era, Michigan under RichRod, Paul Hackett at USC . . . the list goes on and on.

    All major schools that suffered major slumps.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    It also shows the importance of coaching in general, and that no program is truly "idiot proof".

    Look at LSU under DiNardo, Bama post-Bryant, Texas under McWilliams/Mackovic, Oklahoma under Blake (plus Schnellenberger and Gibbs before that), Ohio State in their 1 year under Fickell, and quite frankly, the John Cooper era, Michigan under RichRod, Paul Hackett at USC . . . the list goes on and on.

    All major schools that suffered major slumps.

    C'mon man! Cooper had some damn good teams ie. 95 & 98

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    Some Michigan fans like to convince themselves of that, at the end of the day I'm darn sure if he was hired Michigan fans would go nuts (in happiness). He made a totally ridiculous and hypocritical comment about Michigan academics, but fans would get over it.

    I think Michigan fans say he burned the bridges just to ease the sting of him turning us down. I dunno what the deal was 2 years ago, but there was some smoke he and our AD had a handshake agreement from after tOSU game he would be coach. Then he blew up, and we had no shot.

    Harbaugh still idolizes Bo, and uses a lot of his phrases etc. for his teams. If he comes back to college if the timing is right he will be at Michigan. I think that ship has sailed though, he's an amazing coach I don't think he ever leaves the NFL.

    Thanks, I wasn't sure, so I asked.

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  • IrishImpact said...

    We need to find our Fitzgerald or Hoke? Are you kidding me? How about Meyer and Saban?

    Saban would be a disaster at ND. He could never run the ND program the way he runs the Alabama program. That's not a knock on Alabama, it's just a fact. But naming a specific coach who would be succesful at ND wasn't my point. My point was that ND needs to find the right fit. Michigan found that out the hard way when we hired RR. You can't just pluck a successful coach from one program and drop him into any other and expect the same results. It has to be the right fit.

    Kelly was a very good fit for GVSU and Cincy but he's a bad fit for ND. Pat Fitzgerald is perfect for NW. Harbaugh was perfect for Stanford. Tressel was perfect for OSU. Holtz was perfect for ND. And Hoke is perfect for UM. Frankly, I think Alvarez or Barnett would have been perfect replacements for Holtz, but you went with Davie and then Willingham instead. IMO that's when you got off track. Urban Meyer might have worked out, but we'll never know because he went to UF and now OSU. And if you could ever get Pat Fitzgerald to leave NW (which I doubt, btw), I believe he would be perfect for ND. IMO Brian Kelly is simply a bad fit.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 4/18/2012 at 11:27 PM

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    It also shows the importance of coaching in general, and that no program is truly "idiot proof".

    Look at LSU under DiNardo, Bama post-Bryant, Texas under McWilliams/Mackovic, Oklahoma under Blake (plus Schnellenberger and Gibbs before that), Ohio State in their 1 year under Fickell, and quite frankly, the John Cooper era, Michigan under RichRod, Paul Hackett at USC . . . the list goes on and on.

    All major schools that suffered major slumps.

    Rocky is 100% right. Hell, you can even look at Stanford. With the right coach, it has everything to compete at the highest level. But without the right coach, it quickly slips to being a .500 program.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 4/18/2012 at 11:32 PM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Saban would be a disaster at ND. He could never run the ND program the way he runs the Alabama program. That's not a knock on Alabama, it's just a fact. But naming a specific coach who would be succesful at ND wasn't my point. My point was that ND needs to find the right fit. Michigan found that out the hard way when we hired RR. You can't just pluck a successful coach from one program and drop him into any other and expect the same results. It has to be the right fit.

    Kelly was a very good fit for GVSU and Cincy but he's a bad fit for ND. Pat Fitzgerald is perfect for NW. Harbaugh was perfect for Stanford. Tressel was perfect for OSU. Holtz was perfect for ND. And Hoke is perfect for UM. Frankly, I think Alvarez or Barnett would have been perfect replacements for Holtz, but you went with Davie and then Willingham instead. IMO that's when you got off track. Urban Meyer might have worked out, but we'll never know because he went to UF and now OSU. And if you could ever get Pat Fitzgerald to leave NW (which I doubt, btw), I believe he would be perfect for ND. IMO Brian Kelly is simply a bad fit.

    Notre Dame running a spread is just wrong. Just like seeing names on the backs of their jerseys last year in their bowl game. I can't think of a particular ND coach atm, but I know it's not Kelly. They need to get their act together and become relevant. I wonder if Mike Singletary would be interested in coaching college, though not necessarily ND. shrug

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Saban would be a disaster at ND. He could never run the ND program the way he runs the Alabama program.

    Could you elaborate on this a little further?

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    Say what you want about Hoke he's got the job done. I know it's hard to admit, but ND hasn't seen that level of success in a long time on the field, or in recruiting.

    You need to find a guy who loves ND, knows what it stands for and sells that well. Fitzgerald has been a great hire for NW, Dantonio for MSU. All these guys don't have the egos and are in it for the kids as opposed to themselves.

    Kelly doesn't care about ND, he cares about his reputation and thought ND would be a good platform for him. ND is a sleeping giant, get someone in there who is blue collared loves the school and they will go to work IMO.

    ^^^^ 100% THIS ^^^^

    MrWoodson

  • Notre Dame will be an afterthought if they dont join a conference soon.

    Michigan and OSU will leave them behind, in that region, with Meyer and Hoke.

    CRgator1

  • CRgator1 said...

    Notre Dame will be an afterthought if they dont join a conference soon.

    Michigan and OSU will leave them behind, in that region, with Meyer and Hoke.

    They're already an afterthought, but it's not because they're not in a BCS conference. It's mainly coaching incompetence, tough scheduling, and stricter policies. The Domers will be all right when they get their HC.

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  • zabba said...

    They're already an afterthought, but it's not because they're not in a BCS conference. It's mainly coaching incompetence, tough scheduling, and stricter policies. The Domers will be all right when they get their HC.

    They're still relevant, imo.

    I agree about the scheduling, man, they kill themselves repeatedly.

    Its recruiting, which would be solved by a) A coach thats a household name, or b) joining a bcs conf.

    Its gonna get tougher and tougher to pull kids if USC's rivalries pick up with Oregon/Stanford, likewise with Meyer vs Hoke.

    Kids, nowadays, will more than likely follow the story, or in football sense, the media hype.

    Recruiting nationally is gonna get tougher against bigger bcs confefences.

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  • CRgator1 said...

    They're still relevant, imo.

    I agree about the scheduling, man, they kill themselves repeatedly.

    Its recruiting, which would be solved by a) A coach thats a household name, or b) joining a bcs conf.

    Its gonna get tougher and tougher to pull kids if USC's rivalries pick up with Oregon/Stanford, likewise with Meyer vs Hoke.

    Kids, nowadays, will more than likely follow the story, or in football sense, the media hype.

    Recruiting nationally is gonna get tougher against bigger bcs confefences.

    Oregon and Stanford are not our rivals, nor will they ever be...just opponents like the other pac programs that flow in and out of relevance.

    It is time for them to step it up, if not for anything else but to shut you people up.

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    Oregon and Stanford are not our rivals, nor will they ever be...just opponents like the other pac programs that flow in and out of relevance.

    It is time for them to step it up, if not for anything else but to shut you people up.

    I know they aren't USC's "natural" rival.

    Bama and LSU arent natural rivals either.

    By importance where would you rank the gms then?

    You would have it Notre Dame #1?

    In and out of relevancy as they are they (Stanford and Oregon) are relevant at the moment. And significantly more relevant than ND, at the moment.

    Like I said, especially with the Pac 12 having a conf championship gm, as well as the Big 10, it is more appealing for recruits to follow those in confetence gms.

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