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ErnieMcCracken said...
ND has an identity crisis. Somehow they have this vision of being an East coast school while stuck in South Bend Indiana which is hardly a cultural mecca at that. Northwestern located in Evanston is a way cooler and culturally diverse town. In some ways Pat Fitzgerald has the better job. Run a clean program, be competitive and have a job for life at a place where quality of life is through the roof.
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TerpsSoccer said...
ND Irish ate amazing every Saturday their on NBC. They almost make me dislike NBC that's kinda hard to do. If I were a 3* recruit living in Ohio.
And my only offers were Irish, Ohio university, Hawaii, Houston. I would pick Houston university.
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But its truthfully many factors, I wouldn't even focus on recruiting
Fact is ND campus lifestyle isn't a football players dream in most cases
Most want sweet weather and tons of chicks with a program that will give them a major that is code for show up and get a C, don't sleep and get a B+....
ND just needs to get with the times and I have heard they have made strides in updating their facilities, that is a good start for imo that always helps
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mriderblue12 said...
Where exactly was my hate in that post?
And perhaps you should get yourself educated with the tOSU vs Michigan rivalry before making ridiculous claims. HBO did a documentary on the best rivalry in college football, and to say there is a lack of respect in the rivalry is dumb as hell.
Woody on Bo: "If 'Bo' is not a winner, I never saw one and I should know. He beat me the last three games we played. We've fought and quarreled for years but we're great friends."
Woody and Bo hated each on the field, great friends off it. There is tremendous respect between the schools. Get educated.
I honestly think you are hands down the touchiest most homer person on this board. Anything about USC that can be construed as negative you write an essay about how great USC is, and how much better they are than everything out there.
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usctrojan1 said...
I was shown a letter, on Michigan letterhead, sent out to alums that warn of driving a car with Michigan license plates into Ohio..warning of property damage. No different than any in state or regional rivalry.
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You point out the respect between great coaches, in spite of the passionate hate between the fanbases. Do Wolverines and Buckeyes sit side by side and celebrate your rivalry?I was shown a letter, on Michigan letterhead, sent out to alums that warn of driving a car with Michigan license plates into Ohio..warning of property damage. No different than any in state or regional rivalry.
I have just as ardently defended other programs, or disputed points made that are contrary to fact.
You cannot really use Bucknuts as an example for a logical discussion....
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usctrojan1 said...
I have seen the HBO documentary, and read numerous books on the history of CFB, and of all the conferences in the country, the PAC and the BIG-10 have a strong shared history..beginning with the Rose Bowl.
You point out the respect between great coaches, in spite of the passionate hate between the fanbases. Do Wolverines and Buckeyes sit side by side and celebrate your rivalry?
I was shown a letter, on Michigan letterhead, sent out to alums that warn of driving a car with Michigan license plates into Ohio..warning of property damage. No different than any in state or regional rivalry.
I have just as ardently defended other programs, or disputed points made that are contrary to fact.
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IrishImpact said...
The head coaching at lowly Northwestern is a better job? You must be insane. Maybe because Northwestern has no expectations of its football team every year? Northwestern is a football program that is mired in mediocrity and relative obscurity. While ND some still refer to as the ''University of College Football in America''. As far as history goes that's like comparing the Lakers to the Bobcats. The Red Wings to the Blue Jackets. Yankees to Pirates... only thing that makes sense here is that ND has an identity crisis.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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usctrojan1 said...
I remember all the glorious victories, and all those years of horrible losses and opposing fans shouting "Over-Rated U" "USC will never be anything again" "USC will never be relevant in football again" "USC is done"
Well, it's not done. Remember that Domers.
I'm sure we'll be back sometime, when that is I have no idea.
, Also need to remember that USC had one huge advantage we don't. California is and will always be loaded with top notch talent. Indiana not so much. Good post though!
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getmyjive11 said...
Good point. No wonder ND wants to keep that NBC deal. Their viewership would go down by 50% as all the old fans wouldn't shell out the extra cash.
Of course, they are dying off fast anyways. Maybe ND should just bite the bullet and join a conference already.
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IrishImpact said...
Honesty. The truth. That is all I want in responses to this thread. And before you are quick to say ''academic standards'' remember the Irish have basically had a top 10 recruiting class every cycle for the past 25 years. So in my honest opinion that is really not to blame. Coaches since '96? Yes, we have completely missed the mark. I think our coaching hires have been highly suspect since the 4th age. It's almost as if the board has no balls anymore.
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usctrojan1 said...
This. Nortre Dame is the second most valuable football program in the country, per Forbes...it fluctuates between #1 and #2 every year in their survey. Texas is the most valuable CFB program in the country.
It is worth noting though...the size of the universities. That tiny school in the middle of nowhere, with no local recruiting base, that does not belong to a conference...is very wealthy and valuable indeed. Entitled? Maybe, but they certainly have strong competition from those that must band together as a conference to coattail on their need to boast of glory in numbers.
As for opponents some of you wish to label as potential "rival" of USC....when someone, anyone from the PAC who beats us, actually wins big outside the conference, wins more than two Rose Bowls in their history and a National Championship or contend for one over a span of a few decades...then they may be a rival.
Notre Dame is the only program we play on our regular schedule that has beaten USC more than anyone else in our history...and gone on to win National Championships and Heisman Trophies, etc. "Rival" is a respected word, not used lightly - maybe not to you people, but it is to us. That is my objection.
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ErnieMcCracken said...
It must suck to be a SC fan when you feel like you have only 1 real rival. A rival who has been down for 20 years.
This post was edited by usctrojan1 on 4/19/2012 at 8:54 PM
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