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Dreadnought said...
I agree. The whole lottery thing still puzzles me. The hope Scholarship has provided countless kids with a free education and it never cost te Taxpayers a dime. I couldn't believe Alabama residents didn't want it. The old blue hairs just couldn't stand a form of Gambling. I guess they were to busy heading to the local bingo hall to pay attention.
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BetterOff said...
I agree. The leaders in Jefferson County also are not conservative. I am a democrat, but the logic that this is a conservative/liberal argument is stupid.
Anyone that is blind in their support of either party is part of the problem. That is what is wrong with the 2-party system. We are given 2 candidated for each office that are usually the extreme in either way and we don't get many moderates. The days of the Reagans and Clintons (moderate candidates) is over.
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BetterOff said...
Try being a teacher in California.
Starting salary of about $35,000 with the cost of living in that state.
My dad is a retired teacher in Alabama (moved from California) and he always thought teachers were paid pretty well. Of course, he had is PhD so he was maxed out on the scale as well, but the benefits that come with being a teacher is where it's at. Insurance, 401K, and everything else is very cheap and as he always said, remember, you are being paid for working 9 months out of the year for the most part.
As everything though, it depends a lot more about what school system you are in more than the state. Plus, if you are at a private school, you have a chance to make even more and don't have to fit into any of the pay scales. Private school teachers are paid what they are worth based on performance and is a reason why most private schools are much better than public schools.
Education would be much better off if we got the government out of it.
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Grand Slam said...
Totally agree. People treat politics like sports now. They have their team. That team is always right, and never wrong. Until that changes, we're all screwed. I do believe that at the present time, only the Democrats appear willing to compromise and meet in the middle. That's not to say there isn't plenty of bitching that can be done on both sides. I still don't understand why NOTHING has been done with Simpson Bowles. This shit isn't rocket science. Spending has to be steadily cut over the next few years and taxes on some are going to have to go up a few percentage points.
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wild pony714 said...
I prefer a performance based approach over tenure but even that is difficult in terms of measurement and it's clear that when you threaten income, people are drawn to cheat and misrepresent numbers. Add in all the stupid laws that get passed here and it can drive you nuts. Sometime next year, public schools will begin to introduce curriculum highlighting the accomplishments of gay people in history. And as a result of a massive lawsuit, schools are no longer allowed to ask students/parents to pay for things like field trips, science classes, etc. If everyone can't have it, then nobody can. So rather than 3/4 of a class going on a field trip, they will all sit in class and listen to some kids learn how to speak English.....in 5th grade.
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Big A said...
The problem with a performance based approach is that all teachers aren't teaching the same caliber kid. And, as you say, cheating eventually would come into play. Atlanta Public Schools is currently going through a cheating scandal that has caused numerous teachers/administrators to lose their jobs.
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wild pony714 said...
I read about that story. I think what stuck out to me was that teachers were told that they would absolutely be fired if their students didn't hit a specific number improvement. I don't condone cheating in any way but really, what results do people expect when you tell a person that the thing that puts food on the table will be removed if they don't perform the impossible? And that's exactly because, as you say, not all teachers have the same students, the same support systems, or the same resources.
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BetterOff said...
That is the problem with Bush's No Child Left Behind Program.
It was a good thought and there were good reasons to implement, but unfortunately there are some kids and parents that could care less if they are left behind or not. It drags down those that want to excel. There are a bunch of other problems with it as well that I don't have time to get into, but a lot of that is on the people administering the program. I am not trying to Bush bash on this one as it was a good idea, but it is just not practicle to implement.
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Dreadnought said...
Alabama is and always will be home but when the lottery got voted down in Bama I knew that state was stuck in mediocrity.
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