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What's wrong with my state?

  • Big A said...

    Jefferson County is literally the biggest municipality failure in the history of our country. The people that sit in high places in that state are some of the dumbest people in government across the country.

    I agree. The leaders in Jefferson County also are not conservative. I am a democrat, but the logic that this is a conservative/liberal argument is stupid.

    Anyone that is blind in their support of either party is part of the problem. That is what is wrong with the 2-party system. We are given 2 candidated for each office that are usually the extreme in either way and we don't get many moderates. The days of the Reagans and Clintons (moderate candidates) is over.

    BetterOff

  • Dreadnought said...

    I agree. The whole lottery thing still puzzles me. The hope Scholarship has provided countless kids with a free education and it never cost te Taxpayers a dime. I couldn't believe Alabama residents didn't want it. The old blue hairs just couldn't stand a form of Gambling. I guess they were to busy heading to the local bingo hall to pay attention.

    When I was at Alabama, if you went to the Silverstar Casino in MS, you always saw church buses from Alabama in the parking lot. That used to drive me crazy.

    I don't think the Hope Scholarship is a great idea as it is also starting to bleed the economy in Georgia, but it was a step in the right direction. Something a little less burdensome needs to be found. I know many in the State Legislatures in Georgia are trying to come up with something to help solve the problems, so we'll see what happens there.

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    I agree. The leaders in Jefferson County also are not conservative. I am a democrat, but the logic that this is a conservative/liberal argument is stupid.

    Anyone that is blind in their support of either party is part of the problem. That is what is wrong with the 2-party system. We are given 2 candidated for each office that are usually the extreme in either way and we don't get many moderates. The days of the Reagans and Clintons (moderate candidates) is over.

    Totally agree. People treat politics like sports now. They have their team. That team is always right, and never wrong. Until that changes, we're all screwed. I do believe that at the present time, only the Democrats appear willing to compromise and meet in the middle. That's not to say there isn't plenty of bitching that can be done on both sides. I still don't understand why NOTHING has been done with Simpson Bowles. This shit isn't rocket science. Spending has to be steadily cut over the next few years and taxes on some are going to have to go up a few percentage points.

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  • BetterOff said...

    Try being a teacher in California.

    Starting salary of about $35,000 with the cost of living in that state.

    My dad is a retired teacher in Alabama (moved from California) and he always thought teachers were paid pretty well. Of course, he had is PhD so he was maxed out on the scale as well, but the benefits that come with being a teacher is where it's at. Insurance, 401K, and everything else is very cheap and as he always said, remember, you are being paid for working 9 months out of the year for the most part.

    As everything though, it depends a lot more about what school system you are in more than the state. Plus, if you are at a private school, you have a chance to make even more and don't have to fit into any of the pay scales. Private school teachers are paid what they are worth based on performance and is a reason why most private schools are much better than public schools.

    Education would be much better off if we got the government out of it.

    California is as messed up a public education system as there is. There are so many problems. Teachers paid for tenure and after about 10 years, it seems a vast majority quit trying and just show up to do a minimal job. Part of that equation is the ESL programs rampant in Southern California. Teachers have to spend time on the lowest common denominator in the classroom while the other students suffer.

    I prefer a performance based approach over tenure but even that is difficult in terms of measurement and it's clear that when you threaten income, people are drawn to cheat and misrepresent numbers. Add in all the stupid laws that get passed here and it can drive you nuts. Sometime next year, public schools will begin to introduce curriculum highlighting the accomplishments of gay people in history. And as a result of a massive lawsuit, schools are no longer allowed to ask students/parents to pay for things like field trips, science classes, etc. If everyone can't have it, then nobody can. So rather than 3/4 of a class going on a field trip, they will all sit in class and listen to some kids learn how to speak English.....in 5th grade.

    I know a lot of teachers locally who pad their income with tutoring and spend some of their own money on classroom supplies. It's bass ackwards. Administrators are top heavy and make waaaay too much money. They consistently vote to protect their salaries over guaranteeing a 22:1 ratio in class. On that annexation, perhaps just South Orange County could be spared.

    wild pony714

  • Grand Slam said...

    Totally agree. People treat politics like sports now. They have their team. That team is always right, and never wrong. Until that changes, we're all screwed. I do believe that at the present time, only the Democrats appear willing to compromise and meet in the middle. That's not to say there isn't plenty of bitching that can be done on both sides. I still don't understand why NOTHING has been done with Simpson Bowles. This shit isn't rocket science. Spending has to be steadily cut over the next few years and taxes on some are going to have to go up a few percentage points.

    Pragmatism doesn't drive ratings on Fox, CNN, or MSNBC. Pragmatism doesn't get candidates the buzz and money they need to run. Until the American public actually wants to balance the budget they will keep handing out entitlements and raising the debt ceiling.

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  • wild pony714 said...

    I prefer a performance based approach over tenure but even that is difficult in terms of measurement and it's clear that when you threaten income, people are drawn to cheat and misrepresent numbers. Add in all the stupid laws that get passed here and it can drive you nuts. Sometime next year, public schools will begin to introduce curriculum highlighting the accomplishments of gay people in history. And as a result of a massive lawsuit, schools are no longer allowed to ask students/parents to pay for things like field trips, science classes, etc. If everyone can't have it, then nobody can. So rather than 3/4 of a class going on a field trip, they will all sit in class and listen to some kids learn how to speak English.....in 5th grade.

    The problem with a performance based approach is that all teachers aren't teaching the same caliber kid. And, as you say, cheating eventually would come into play. Atlanta Public Schools is currently going through a cheating scandal that has caused numerous teachers/administrators to lose their jobs.

    Big A

  • Big A said...

    The problem with a performance based approach is that all teachers aren't teaching the same caliber kid. And, as you say, cheating eventually would come into play. Atlanta Public Schools is currently going through a cheating scandal that has caused numerous teachers/administrators to lose their jobs.

    I read about that story. I think what stuck out to me was that teachers were told that they would absolutely be fired if their students didn't hit a specific number improvement. I don't condone cheating in any way but really, what results do people expect when you tell a person that the thing that puts food on the table will be removed if they don't perform the impossible? And that's exactly because, as you say, not all teachers have the same students, the same support systems, or the same resources.

    wild pony714

  • wild pony714 said...

    I read about that story. I think what stuck out to me was that teachers were told that they would absolutely be fired if their students didn't hit a specific number improvement. I don't condone cheating in any way but really, what results do people expect when you tell a person that the thing that puts food on the table will be removed if they don't perform the impossible? And that's exactly because, as you say, not all teachers have the same students, the same support systems, or the same resources.

    That is the problem with Bush's No Child Left Behind Program.

    It was a good thought and there were good reasons to implement, but unfortunately there are some kids and parents that could care less if they are left behind or not. It drags down those that want to excel. There are a bunch of other problems with it as well that I don't have time to get into, but a lot of that is on the people administering the program. I am not trying to Bush bash on this one as it was a good idea, but it is just not practicle to implement.

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    That is the problem with Bush's No Child Left Behind Program.

    It was a good thought and there were good reasons to implement, but unfortunately there are some kids and parents that could care less if they are left behind or not. It drags down those that want to excel. There are a bunch of other problems with it as well that I don't have time to get into, but a lot of that is on the people administering the program. I am not trying to Bush bash on this one as it was a good idea, but it is just not practicle to implement.

    NCLB was a disaster and so is Obama's Race to the Top which has been singled out for plenty of corruption including the Atlanta situation.

    "In Atlanta, teachers who confessed to cheating told investigators they felt inordinate pressure to meet targets set by the district and faced severe consequences such as a negative evaluation or termination if they didn’t. The behavior was reinforced by a district culture of fear and intimidation directed at whistle-blowers.

    Targets were primarily based on the state’s annual Criterion-Referenced Competency Tests. Schoolwide bonuses up to $2,000 were given to employees at schools that met prescribed targets, and according to the state investigation, former APS Superintendent Beverly Hall also benefited financially from the bonus system.

    Georgia, as one of several winners of the federal Race to the Top grant, pledged to change its teacher and principal evaluation system so performance is more heavily weighted on a student’s academic growth on tests. Evaluations will soon play a role in who gets certified to teach, who gets promoted and, eventually, who gets the biggest paycheck.

    Race to the Top is one of the cornerstones of President Barack Obama’s education policy and has been a catalyst for reform across the nation. Central to the policy is the insistence on tying educator evaluations to student test scores to provide more substantial evidence of good teaching. "

    Test scores can be lied about just as easily. Ask the administrators at Claremont McKenna.

    wild pony714

  • Think he'd take a pay cut to prove he's not just some greedy politician?

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  • 1. Anyone who takes this guy to represent a great number of outstanding Christian people deserves just to remove themselves from society. Name one group of people that has never had someone identify with a group and have a small group that is heretic.

    2. The education system is VERY, VERY top heavy and the teachers who do it as a calling aren't moving to the top of that chain. The teachers who don't care are actually growing into the top positions. This just contributes to an already corrupt system.

    3. Our education system is designed on teaching to a test and dumbing down education. Education starts in the HOME before it ever starts in a school. If the home is weak in education, the school has very little chance of success with that child.

    4. The education system could easily be torn down and built up in a more efficient and effective manner, but no one wants to do it. Everyone complains, but no one changes it. It's simply a way for politicians to get the parental vote.

    5. Politicians are politicians. Most of them jump into politics because they can't sell used cars or have already been to prison.

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  • Dreadnought said...

    Alabama is and always will be home but when the lottery got voted down in Bama I knew that state was stuck in mediocrity.

    Yup.

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