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Which School Is Quarterback U?

  • SteveHelwagen said...

    USC was Tailback U and PSU was Linebacker U and so on.

    We know Iowa and Wisconsin are big on O-line production, SEC schools produce those war daddy DTs and so on.

    That's what is going to be fun as we go through and see what school has produced what at each position.

    USC is more in the conversation for offensive linemen...even down, Tyron Smith and Matt Kalil were drafted in the first round the past few years, played well and started from day one.

    Four of USC's 11 Pro HOFers were offensive linemen, including two of the GOAT, Anthony Munoz and Bruce Matthews...if not for injury, Tony Boselli would be in the conversation as well.

    Our QBs have not produced in the NFL, but at least we got them there...and they all appear to be smart enough to invest their money wisely, give back to their communities, and will leave the pros with money in the bank and homeowners in prime California real estate.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    His top 15 all had at least 2 QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds. I thought the same thing as you though, and I still think Purdue holds more weight at QB with recruits than most of those schools.

    Orton was a fourth rounder in 2005, so he missed the survey by a round. Brees was a second rounder in 2001. Agreed, all-time with Griese and others, Purdue has been a really good QB school. Orton is also the backup now in Dallas, so that's why his name didn't come up in the look at the 35 guys who played a lot in 2012.

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  • Nole of 16 said...

    FSU will lead this list in a couple years.
    Jimbo is one of the best QB coaches in the country IMO.

    Sent Ponder first round in 2011

    EJ will go 1st/2nd in 2013

    Then Coker in 2015/2016

    Winston 2016/2017?

    JJ in 2019? (LOL now I am really dreaming)

    Ponder was not and is not first round talent at QB. EJ 1st round? I lol'd. Coker? That to be determined. Winston might never play QB at FSU.

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  • I don't think anyone should be called "QB U" at this point.

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  • WillieMuffcramp said...

    Ponder was not and is not first round talent at QB. EJ 1st round? I lol'd. Coker? That to be determined. Winston might never play QB at FSU.

    Ponder went first round and is starting in the NFL.

    EJ will go in the top 40 picks, I will back a ban bet on that.

    Winston is staying at FSU even if Coker starts over him, that means he will have 1-2 years to play no matter what.

    Nole of 16

  • Nole of 16 said...

    Ponder went first round and is starting in the NFL.

    EJ will go in the top 40 picks, I will back a ban bet on that.

    Winston is staying at FSU even if Coker starts over him, that means he will have 1-2 years to play no matter what.

    Thanks for letting me know Ponder was a first round pick and starts. Still doesnt mean he was worthy, cause he wasn't and isn't. Tebow was a first round and started and he sucks too. I say Winston because I think baseball will end up winning. Just my opinion.

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  • Nole of 16 said...

    Ponder went first round and is starting in the NFL.

    EJ will go in the top 40 picks, I will back a ban bet on that.

    Winston is staying at FSU even if Coker starts over him, that means he will have 1-2 years to play no matter what.

    Ponder sux bro..

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  • MasonHurricane said...

    Alabama is QB U Greg McElroy and AJ McCarron are two of the best QB's I've ever seen in my life...imo

    This... Alabama is the one, McCarron is the GOAT

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  • Lol at this list... it has homer written all over it. Oregon and USC at the top... lol

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  • buckeye_mikey69 said...

    IMO, "position U" should, without exception, always refer to college production, not NFL production. This site (along with the fan passion) is about college football after all. You could use draft selection as a very small piece of the equation, but it shouldn't be the be all/end all of debate. After all, some successful college QB's will not be or have not been drafted high because they don't have the prototypical size or fit the prototypical scheme that most NFL teams run.
    That said, without any doubt in my mind, USC is QB U. They've had great production from their guys.

    In that case-its all about the NCs. That settles it! its Alabama IMNSHO

    bigwilly64

  • bigwilly64 said...

    In that case-its all about the NCs. That settles it! its Alabama IMNSHO

    YOu can thank the BCS for riding your jock two of those NC's you had one loss..

    jmsmooth33

  • getmyjive11 said...

    The list is terrible. Why should draft position mean anything? IMO, you have to look at QBs with post season success first and then it goes to starters and then backups. How could you not have Tennessee even mentioned? Why is Michigan so low? (I don't care where Brady was drafted). Pudue should be on the list. Stanford with two legit starters should be higher up. Where's Delaware (Flacco and Pat Devlin)?

    The author of this article is obviously extremely smart, the guy quoted above, not so much.

    I knew USC had taken over as LB U, but it's nice to see the Trojans called QB U !
    Fwiw Imo- If using NFL production as the determining factor (a different way than what Steve used in his article), then QB U. from an all-time perspective = Purdue.

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    The author of this article is obviously extremely smart, the guy quoted above, not so much.

    I knew USC had taken over as LB U, but it's nice to see the Trojans called QB U ! Fwiw Imo- If using NFL production as the determining factor (a different way than what Steve used in his article), then QB U. from an all-time perspective = Purdue.

    lol Whatever helps you sleep at night. Nobody's "taken over as LB U." There's one Linebacker U and always will be.

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  • psubills62 said...

    lol Whatever helps you sleep at night. Nobody's "taken over as LB U." There's one Linebacker U and always will be.

    Lol at USC LBU - first, it's based on present and historical, which PSU wins both (
    Current LBs in the NFL (in alphabetical order):
    Allen Bradford (I think he has 0 career tackles)
    Brian Cushing (Very good, unfortunate injuries though, banned substances - 1 pro bowl, 1 2nd team all pro (rescinded))
    Kaluka Maiva (meh, averages like 30 tackles and a sack a season)
    Clay Matthews (stud - 4 pro bowl, 2 all pro (1 first team))
    Rey Maualuga (starting to improve, decent stats in first 4 years, 0 pro bowls, averages like 50 tackles and a sack a year)
    Mike Morgan (barely any stats)
    Nick Perry (rookie, barely any stats)
    Keith Rivers (meh, 30ish tackles a year, no sacks really)
    Malcolm Smith (done little in 2 years)

    Penn State
    NaVorro Bowman (stud - 1 pro bowl, 2 first team all pro)
    Dan Connor (meh, avg like 30 tackles a year, no sacks really)
    Tamba Hali DE/LB (3x pro bowl, 1 second team all pro, one of the sack leaders in the nfl a couple of different years)
    Josh Hull (done nothing)
    Sean Lee (been a stud when healthy, but major injury problems)
    Aaron Maybin (done little, had 6 sacks one year, but that's it)
    Paul Posluszny (averages 90-100 tackles a year, consistently very good)
    Bryan Scott (decent, averages 50 some tackles a year)
    Tim Shaw (hasn't done too much)
    Nate Stupar (rookie didn't do anything)
    Cameron Wake DE/LB (2x pro bowl, 2x all pro (1 first team), 14+ sacks x2)

    USC Total - 2 who have stats better than just meh (5 pro bowls and 3 all pros between them) and one of those two was suspended for banned substances and stripped of his all-pro, knocking that down to 2.
    PSU Total - 5 who have stats better than just meh (6 if you include Scott, but I wouldn't). 6 pro bowls, 5 all pro season (3 first team).

    Yeah PSU wins current LB's. USC has obviously taken over as LBU. And PSU should have 2 more LB's drafted this year compared to none for USC I think?

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  • I need more sleep.

    shav, I thought you were somehow Assassin responding to my post. Didn't make much sense at first.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Lol at USC LBU - first, it's based on present and historical, which PSU wins both ( Current LBs in the NFL (in alphabetical order): Allen Bradford (I think he has 0 career tackles) Brian Cushing (Very good, unfortunate injuries though, banned substances - 1 pro bowl, 1 2nd team all pro (rescinded)) Kaluka Maiva (meh, averages like 30 tackles and a sack a season) Clay Matthews (stud - 4 pro bowl, 2 all pro (1 first team)) Rey Maualuga (starting to improve, decent stats in first 4 years, 0 pro bowls, averages like 50 tackles and a sack a year) Mike Morgan (barely any stats) Nick Perry (rookie, barely any stats) Keith Rivers (meh, 30ish tackles a year, no sacks really) Malcolm Smith (done little in 2 years)

    Penn State NaVorro Bowman (stud - 1 pro bowl, 2 first team all pro) Dan Connor (meh, avg like 30 tackles a year, no sacks really) Tamba Hali DE/LB (3x pro bowl, 1 second team all pro, one of the sack leaders in the nfl a couple of different years) Josh Hull (done nothing) Sean Lee (been a stud when healthy, but major injury problems) Aaron Maybin (done little, had 6 sacks one year, but that's it) Paul Posluszny (averages 90-100 tackles a year, consistently very good) Bryan Scott (decent, averages 50 some tackles a year) Tim Shaw (hasn't done too much) Nate Stupar (rookie didn't do anything) Cameron Wake DE/LB (2x pro bowl, 2x all pro (1 first team), 14+ sacks x2)

    USC Total - 2 who have stats better than just meh (5 pro bowls and 3 all pros between them) and one of those two was suspended for banned substances and stripped of his all-pro, knocking that down to 2. PSU Total - 5 who have stats better than just meh (6 if you include Scott, but I wouldn't). 6 pro bowls, 5 all pro season (3 first team).

    Yeah PSU wins current LB's. USC has obviously taken over as LBU. And PSU should have 2 more LB's drafted this year compared to none for USC I think?

    Slight edge to USC for current players if you count only performance while playing LB.

    Penn St might have the edge if you count all the years at
    DB and DE into the total like you did, but we are talking about LB)

    Current Resumes (Info from Pro-Football Reference.com)
    AV or Approx Value = the higher the #, the better

    PENN ST
    ====================
    10 Current NFL LB's / DE
    2 All-Pro LB seasons / 3 overall (1 as DE)
    4 Pro Bowl LB seasons / 5 overall (1 as DE)
    17 seasons as primary starter / 23 overall (3 at DB, 3 at DE)
    178 AV Rating as LB / 225 overall (47 AV while playing DB & DE)
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    Penn St leads 0 of 5 categories and is tied in 2 of 5.

    USC
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    10* Current NFL LB's (*I'm still counting Lofa Tatupu because he signed a 2 yr deal
    before last season but then got hurt/released = still could/ might play this coming year)
    2* All-Pro seasons (w/ Cushing it would be 3)
    8 Pro Bowl seasons
    20 seasons as primary starter
    188 player rating AV
    --------------------------
    USC leads in 3 of 5 categories and is tied in the other 2.

    But as far as all-time, Penn St comes up far shorter in the LB comparison vs USC

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  • psubills62 said...

    Whatever helps you sleep at night. Nobody's "taken over as LB U." There's one Linebacker U and always will be.

    As for all-time, USC took over as LB U. a few years back.
    In fact, I'm not even sure why they used to call Penn St LB U?

    All info from Pro-Football Reference.com (their approx value ratings start from 1950)

    USC
    =====
    60 LB's who registered an approx value score
    12 - 1st rd NFL Draft Picks
    12 All-Pro seasons (13 counting Cushing 1 yr)
    43 Pro Bowl seasons
    224 Seasons as primary starter
    1,627 total points AV rating
    27.1 avg per LB

    PENN ST (Counted everything possible for Penn St, even when not playing LB)
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    54 LB's who registered an approx value score
    5 - 1st rd NFL draft picks
    10 All-Pro seasons
    26 Pro Bowl seasons
    152 Seasons as primary starter
    1,290 total points approx value rating
    23.9 Avg AV per LB
    ================

    A clean sweep of all 7 categories by the Trojans.
    Penn St at least is still the 2nd best LB producing school.

    USC = the real LB U ! flex

    This post was edited by NcaaAssassinG13 on 3/8/2013 at 5:32 PM

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  • My alma mater....Purdue. Dawson, Griese, Brees, Hermann, Everett...

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  • The next assignment will be the defensive line ... the floppy bellied DTs we all love so much and those bone crushing, speed-of-light defensive ends that kill quarterbacks. Can't wait! Look for that next Thursday.

    SteveHelwagen

  • SteveHelwagen said...

    The next assignment will be the defensive line ... the floppy bellied DTs we all love so much and those bone crushing, speed-of-light defensive ends that kill quarterbacks. Can't wait! Look for that next Thursday.

    Canes. Jerome Brown, Sapp and Tez in the middle. Not to mention a slew of others. Wilfork doesn't even make top three. biggrin Absolutely sick. and for those that don't remember, Jerome Brown was the best there ever was...

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  • I love that so many schools feel the need to "take" Linebacker U from Penn State. It's always been and always will be Linebacker U. There's no need to defend it because everyone knows, and there's good reason for that. I could cherry pick categories and years that Penn State would "win" too, but it doesn't matter. Penn State is Linebacker U.

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Slight edge to USC for current players if you count only performance while playing LB.

    Penn St might have the edge if you count all the years at DB and DE into the total like you did, but we are talking about LB)

    Current Resumes (Info from Pro-Football Reference.com) AV or Approx Value = the higher the #, the better

    PENN ST ==================== 10 Current NFL LB's / DE 2 All-Pro LB seasons / 3 overall (1 as DE) 4 Pro Bowl LB seasons / 5 overall (1 as DE) 17 seasons as primary starter / 23 overall (3 at DB, 3 at DE) 178 AV Rating as LB / 225 overall (47 AV while playing DB & DE) ------------------------------------ Penn St leads 0 of 5 categories and is tied in 2 of 5.

    USC ===== 10* Current NFL LB's (*I'm still counting Lofa Tatupu because he signed a 2 yr deal before last season but then got hurt/released = still could/ might play this coming year) 2* All-Pro seasons (w/ Cushing it would be 3) 8 Pro Bowl seasons 20 seasons as primary starter 188 player rating AV -------------------------- USC leads in 3 of 5 categories and is tied in the other 2.

    But as far as all-time, Penn St comes up far shorter in the LB comparison vs USC

    Oy vey, it's Friday night and I don't have an hour to find stats to come up with to say why this is ludicrous. But, for example on why AV is ridiculous to best linebackers currently in the NFL, NaVorro Bowman is rated a 34. Lofa Tatupu is a 48. So, a top 5 LB in the game today (as rated by most people, many argued last season that he's the best ILB right now) is significantly lower than a guy who hasn't played since 2010. Ridiculous. 45/188 of your points (about 25%) are in a guy who last played a snap of professional football in 3 years - and that's how you justify your "current players are better for USC" argument.

    Also, HOF is 2-0 all time, which you conveniently left out (pretty significant notch on a belt for "position U" designation, wouldn't you agree).

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  • Oy vey..

    Regardless of arguments, stats or other current measurables, Penn State remains Linebacker U..till another program knocks them off their perch, over a sustained period of time. Who is doing that?

    They have earned the distinction of the name "Linebacker U" by consistently producing quality linebackers, in college and the pros - it is their TRADITION.

    This post was edited by usctrojan1 on 3/9/2013 at 11:05 AM

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  • I tend to agree with the idea that Quarterback U, or any position U for that matter, shouldn't be about NFL success or failures. It's about talent and production at the college level and hype going into the draft. From there, there is no college affiliation.

    This post was edited by NDGuyinFL on 3/9/2013 at 3:03 PM

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