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While I think LSU and Bama are #1 and #2, respectively...

  • wlu4tide said...

    Rest is actually a disadvantage when you are talking about the gigantic layoff each team will have. I can't argue with the extra opportunity for LSU to lose being a disadvantage, but for years, the SEC and Big 12 were the only teams with the extra game, and other teams from other conferences weren't knocked for not playing it.

    LSU's reward for winning the game is that they will have a chance to add another title, the SEC title, to their season, and perhaps more importantly, they control their own destiny to make the game. It'll take a few fortunate occurrences for Bama to even make it. I don't think LSU would trade positions with Bama, so feeling sorry for them is retarded. They have to play somebody in the Championship game. Why shouldn't they have to play the best team?

    Winning the SEC title and then (possibly) losing the national title to an SEC team seems a bit odd, don't you think?

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  • T I G E R said...

    Winning the SEC title and then (possibly) losing the national title to an SEC team seems a bit odd, don't you think?

    LSU would drop to #2 if they lost to arky or Georgia. They still go to the National Championship Game But Bama couldn't anymore.
    Why do you think they wouldn't?? who would go if they Lost one of the Games?

    Dankydank

  • T I G E R said...

    Winning the SEC title and then (possibly) losing the national title to an SEC team seems a bit odd, don't you think?

    I am not going to bitch about the game, because we lost and that's that. HOWEVER, for the people bitching about the rematch and asking "what did this game even mean if they just play again for the championship", what you (Tiger) are talking about is what it means. The second that Bama lost that game and LSU won it, LSU controlled their destiny for the NC. All LSU has to do is win out and they are playing for all the marbles. Bama on the other hand has to rely on several teams losing for them to be considered again. That game meant that the loser did not control their destiny, and so there is still a pretty good chance that we will never even sniff the BCS championship trophy this year. So while I'm not saying that Bama is the best team in the country or that we should automatically get a rematch, the idea that any other team should get it if Okie St loses is ridiculous. We are the best one-loss team (if you disagree, please find someone who says otherwise, because I've read 2-3 articles since this weekend that say the same thing) and I think it would be unfair to put Oregon or OU in there over us just because we play in the same division.

    This post was edited by Jcrick on 11/15/2011 at 4:53 PM

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  • T I G E R said...

    I think it would be one of, if not THE, greatest travesty in all of sports if LSU had to play a +1 to even make the game while Bama got to sit home and rest. Essentially, LSU should've thrown the game in Tuscaloosa and they would've had an easier path to the championship. I don't believe it would be right to penalize the winner of that game, but that's exactly what would happen if the rematch occurs.

    For the record, I don't believe voters will allow this as everyone outside of Alabama seems to be toting this same line. The play-in for the national championship was on November 5th.

    Well hell, get the SEC to let us take UGA's spot and we will take it.

    jimtom27486

  • T I G E R said...

    It is completely fair and balanced for Bama to have to beat LSU twice if they get to the BCSCG.

    Hell, why not make LSU 07' go back and play Arkansas and Kentucky again after they beat Ohio St? Essentially they got to take off 2 weeks and still waltzed into the championship game. Fact of the matter is you can make just about any scenario sound bad. So who should play LSU assuming they win out? The team that barely stayed on the same field as them earlier this year, the team that failed to win at home against a now 5-5 team that just lost by 60 at home, or a team that took the #1 team in the country to OT? It may not be the most obvious situation in the history of the BCS, but it ain't that tough of a call now is it?

    This post was edited by manley0702 on 11/15/2011 at 6:55 PM

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  • T I G E R said...

    I think it would be one of, if not THE, greatest travesty in all of sports if LSU had to play a +1 to even make the game while Bama got to sit home and rest. Essentially, LSU should've thrown the game in Tuscaloosa and they would've had an easier path to the championship. I don't believe it would be right to penalize the winner of that game, but that's exactly what would happen if the rematch occurs.

    For the record, I don't believe voters will allow this as everyone outside of Alabama seems to be toting this same line. The play-in for the national championship was on November 5th.

    I'm sympathetic to an aspect of your post, but all things considered I don't think following your reasoning to its full conclusion solves any real problems.

    Let's assume LSU wins out (thus immediately eliminating Arkansas from discussion). IF Oklahoma St. loses then a one-loss team will play for the national title. So the issue is how to decide who is the most deserving one-loss team. If, according to your reasoning, Alabama does not deserve to qualify because they lost at home to the #1 team in OT by 3, then that same logic would also seem to disquality Oregon for losing by 13 albeit on a neutral field. Moreover, if those two teams are disqualified, then the case is even worse for Oklahoma, who laid an egg at HOME to a mediocre Texas Tech (2-5 conf., 5-5 overall). How how can anyone disqualify Alabama and Oregon based on high-and-mighty principles and then give Oklahoma a free pass to the NCG after such a monstrosity. Whom do you want LSU to play, Clemson?(!)

    I'm sorry, but if all the contenders are one-loss teams then, as you admit, Alabama (assuming they win out) is by all accounts the most worthy one-loss team. While I grant that LSU would get a rawl deal by the circumstances, your solution is to shift the raw deal from LSU to Alabama. But that creates two problems: not only does it (1) do nothing to solve the fact that someone is going to get a raw deal (merely shifting the burden from LSU to Alabama), but it also (2) gives LSU the further privilege of playing against the not-second-best team in the nation for the title. So LSU gets a double-deal based on this policy.

    I can see why you think if anyone is going to get screwed by circumstances then it needs to be Alabama rather than LSU (victor's spoils as it were), but my problem is that it not only shifts who gets screwed, but also confers even more advantage on LSU by letting them play not-the-next-best-team for the national title, which is what I thought the point of the BCS was. Your argument boils down to: We deserve to play the third best team in the nation because playing the second best team in the nation would be a travesty.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Owen1611 on 11/15/2011 at 7:06 PM

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  • Owen1611 said...

    I'm sympathetic to an aspect of your post, but all things considered I don't think following your reasoning to its full conclusion solves any real problems.

    Let's assume LSU wins out (thus immediately eliminating Arkansas from discussion). IF Oklahoma St. loses then a one-loss team will play for the national title. So the issue is how to decide who is the most deserving one-loss team. If, according to your reasoning, Alabama does not deserve to qualify because they lost at home to the #1 team in OT by 3, then that same logic would also seem to disquality Oregon for losing by 13 albeit on a neutral field. Moreover, if those two teams are disqualified, then the case is even worse for Oklahoma, who laid an egg at HOME to a mediocre Texas Tech (2-5 conf., 5-5 overall). How how can anyone disqualify Alabama and Oregon based on high-and-mighty principles and then give Oklahoma a free pass to the NCG after such a monstrosity. Whom do you want LSU to play, Clemson?(!)

    I'm sorry, but if all the contenders are one-loss teams then, as you admit, Alabama (assuming they win out) is by all accounts the most worthy one-loss team. While I grant that LSU would get a rawl deal by the circumstances, your solution is to shift the raw deal from LSU to Alabama. But that creates two problems: not only does it (1) do nothing to solve the fact that someone is going to get a raw deal (merely shifting the burden from LSU to Alabama), but it also (2) gives LSU the further privilege of playing against the not-second-best team in the nation for the title. So LSU gets a double-deal based on this policy.

    I can see why you think if anyone is going to get screwed by circumstances then it needs to be Alabama rather than LSU (victor's spoils as it were), but my problem is that it not only shifts who gets screwed, but also confers even more advantage on LSU by letting them play not-the-next-best-team for the national title, which is what I thought the point of the BCS was. Your argument boils down to: We deserve to play the third best team in the nation because playing the second best team in the nation would be a travesty.

    Um we already played the second best team and won. So apparantly bama isn't the second best team, they were beat at home. Deal with it

    LScootU

  • Super Scooter said...

    Um we already played the second best team and won. So apparantly bama isn't the second best team, they were beat at home. Deal with it

    Let's recap. "Um we already played the second best team and won.(You're saying Alabama is the second best team) So apparantly(misspelled might I add) bama isn't the second best team, they were beat at home(contradicting your first sentence). Deal with it (no problems with sentence 3).

    manley0702

  • manley0702 said...

    Let's recap. "Um we already played the second best team and won.(You're saying Alabama is the second best team) So apparantly(misspelled might I add) bama isn't the second best team, they were beat at home(contradicting your first sentence). Deal with it (no problems with sentence 3).

    Yeah makes absolutely no sense lol

    bamadvm

  • Super Scooter said...

    Um we already played the second best team and won. So apparantly bama isn't the second best team, they were beat at home. Deal with it

    One issue is that some of you want to conceive of the regular season as some sort of de facto playoff system. But this just doesn't make good sense IF there aren't two undefeated contenders at the end of the season.

    Alabama and Oregon would be disqualified, fine. But this would perversely not penalize Oklahoma for losing at home to a team that could very well finish the season 5-7. So Bama and Oregon are disqualified for one loss to LSU, while Oklahama suffers no harm for losing at home to Texas Tech, who very well might finish 5-7? This "soluton" is at least as unfair as the "travesty" of LSU potentially having to play Bama twice.

    If there aren't two undefeated contenders at the end of the season, the best one-loss team deserves to play. You simply cannot treat the regular season as some sort of de facto playoff *if* there are not two undefeated teams standing at the end of it; if you're going to think of the regular season as a de facto playoff, then in cases where there is only one undefeated team at the end of the regular season that team should just be awarded the title outright, which will happen only in your fantasies. The best one-loss team at the end of this may be Bama, in which case you must defeat them to be national champs. Deal with it.

    This post was edited by Owen1611 on 11/15/2011 at 8:52 PM

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  • It's not like UGA is a good team. They're very mediocre and would get blown out by LSU, Bama, and Arky.

    bama100

  • bhiley77 said...

    Agreed. I'm vehemently anti-playoff and feel its used as a way for fans to try to rationalize regular season losses.

    I think that a lot of us get it including you, the whole season is a playoff system. My team may not make it and if they don't I understand why.

    oufisherman

  • T I G E R said...

    Winning the SEC title and then (possibly) losing the national title to an SEC team seems a bit odd, don't you think?

    Odd, yes, but it's also odd that there are two teams in the SEC almost unanimously considered the two best, and they wouldn't be playing each other for the SEC crown. If the SEC champ isn;t good enough to beat the 2nd best team in the country in a bowl game, then regardless of that second best team's conference affiliation, it should be the champ. What is this sense of entitlement for the regular season #1 team? Did the rules change to crown the National Champs AFTER the bowls more than 30 years ago for a reason?

    This "they had their their chance" argument would stand against Alabama if there was a team that was remotely close to presenting as strong of a challenge. Just as Alabama is the only team good enough to beat LSU, perhaps even moreso, LSU is the only team good enough to beat Alabama. We'll see if LSU takes care of Arkansas. Also see the link below:

    "We still have LSU and Alabama power rated as the top two teams in the nation," said Las Vegas Hilton Race and Sports assistant manager Jeff Sherman.
    ...
    Although LSU won the first matchup -- and despite the fact that the game will be played in New Orleans -- the Crimson Tide would likely be a two-point favorite over LSU.
    ...
    Said Todd Fuhrman, senior race and sports book analyst for Caesar's Entertainment: "The Crimson Tide looked like the superior team with their ability to consistently move the ball on LSU's defense. It's cliché to say this, but the game really could have gone either way."

    LSU-Alabama rematch for BCS national championship is realistic scenario - ESPN

    LSU-Alabama rematch is a realistic BCS title scenario.

    espn.go.com

    wlu4tide

  • I didn't read the whole thread, but if you can't win your conference, then you can't win the MNC in my opinion.

    xxmgobluexx

  • Also, I would rather see an Oregon rematch with LSU than the missed fg fest Alabama put on display in their own stadium.

    xxmgobluexx

  • I'm an avid Bama fan and don't care how we get into the NCG as long as we get there. That said, I completely agree w/ the poster. It isn't entirely fair for LSU. However, I don't think LSU will lose and either team will still have multiple weeks to rest prior to the NCG. So the resting thing isn't a big point to be made.

    VegasTide