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Who has the most tradition of any team in college football?

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Let's all chip in and buy this guy a hug. Poor fella.

    USC sure gets a lot of grief for teaching the south how to play nice with other races, you really should be thanking them, rather than all this hate.

    You know all the guilt and hate is like a large brick (or mullet) on your shoulder weighing you down. Just push it off and let it all go, little buddy.

    It's just this type of smug arrogance and condescension that allowed your state, and more specifically Los Angeles, to devolve into the squalid and putrid pit of hate and racism that they were for so many long decades.

    I see those attitudes haven't faded much over the years, hey?

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  • Action Figure said...

    When I said "better late than never" I was specifically talking about the Alabama football team and how they were late (relative to other programs) with allowing blacks to play. Nothing more, nothing less. He's the one that got all sensitive and went off on a totally different tangent. I was also being sarcastic, hence the biggrin at the end of the statement.

    Ummm, seems to me you were referencing California's long fought battle to treat blacks like human beings when you said "better late than never."

    If that was the case, I agree, it certainly was better late than never. Sorry to hear about Rodney King dying.

    This post was edited by CtrlAltDel on 7/1/2012 at 9:01 PM

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  • TheT12 said...

    Like the "fact" that Coach Bryant took Cunningham to our locker room to "show our players what a football player looked like"? (also false)

    You're right, it is what it is. It isn't pertinent to the discussion, nor is your own state's bloody history on the matter. If Syracuse mattered in the situation, Ernie Davis' account of his treatment wouldn't be pertinent to this discussion, either. The bottom line is that most of our country has an unfortunate past in these matters, none of which have anything to do with the OP. Nor do they have anything to do with me, since I was born in 1977 and have never held ill feelings toward a man for his skin color. I find it ironic that you judge us collectively on these matters. Not only because of your state's issues with it up to the 60's, but because of your own hypocritical prejudice.

    The 60's? More like the 70's and 80's and into the 90's also.

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  • TheT12 said...

    Okay, then please accept my apologies. But I must ask, when a guy like CtrlAltDel shows an obvious interest and knowledge in the plights of black people from a sympathetic perspective, how can you assume that HE just arrived at the equality party? I don't have my head in the sand, there are plenty of racists here and everywhere else, but he seems to be an unlikely target for your condescension.

    Mainly, I would assume, it's because I am from Alabama. People in California are taught from an early age by both their parents and teachers, that being regionally bigoted is a form of higher intelligence.

    People from California are extremely provincial and don't travel much or experience the world around them. They only know what they are taught by equally ignorant teachers/parents/movies/television shows.

    They honestly can't fathom, it would literally make their closed minds explode, if they realized that cities like Birmingham and many others in the South have achieved levels of racial harmony that they, in California, could only hope to dream of.

    Blacks and whites in the South interact more, socialize more, attend more integrated schools, have more interracial marriages, etc... just about everything, than states like California do. They could never, ever fathom that though, because they are only fed their ideas by people who don't know any better.

    I would venture to say that none of the people slamming Alabama have ever been to the state but, they imagine they know exactly what it is like because they have seen movies and television shows about it.

    This post was edited by CtrlAltDel on 7/1/2012 at 9:21 PM

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  • I've been to the state of Alabama many times.

    I have an in-law who worked for the state government for over twenty years. He's racist as hell by the way.

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  • devidee said...

    I've been to the state of Alabama many times.

    I have an in-law who worked for the state government for over twenty years. He's racist as hell by the way.

    Well, that sure settles it.

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  • Well, there's so many different ways to rank them when you only have a generic term like "tradition." I'd probably do it based on titles, using only major poll titles so all the B/S is removed.

    Alabama- 9 AP or Coaches Poll titles
    ND- 8
    USC & OU- 7
    Miami, Neb, OSU- 5

    That's a solid group imo

    RTR22

  • RTR22 said...

    Well, there's so many different ways to rank them when you only have a generic term like "tradition." I'd probably do it based on titles, using only major poll titles so all the B/S is removed.

    Alabama- 9 AP or Coaches Poll titles ND- 8 USC & OU- 7 Miami, Neb, OSU- 5

    That's a solid group imo

    The only team that is suspect on that list is Miami, they had a few great runs but, tradition?? I think not. Tradition is about sustainability as well as conference and national titles.

    Yeah, I said it.

    shalvoy

  • CtrlAltDel said...

    It's just this type of smug arrogance and condescension that allowed your state, and more specifically Los Angeles, to devolve into the squalid and putrid pit of hate and racism that they were for so many long decades.

    I see those attitudes haven't faded much over the years, hey?


    Another one, good, let's get it all out tonight
    nice, together as one....

    "No fault, none to blame, it doesn't mean I don't desire to
    point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over,
    to bring the pieces back together, rediscover
    communication..........

    cold silence has, a tendency to
    atrophy
    any sense of compassion,
    between supposed brothers" MJK
    peace

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●

  • CtrlAltDel said...

    We don't claim anything from '73, the UPI awarded us a championship and gave us a particularly beautiful trophy that season to commemorate it. Your angle is the same as saying that a team "claimed" a NC just because the BCS gave it to them, well, sure they would.

    Your mistake is believing that, throughout history, there was only one team each season who were national champions. You imagine that because we think like that today, it was always that way.

    Alabama did not dictate to the UPI how to run their business or their poll. We were just a humble football team that was awarded their very prestigious national championship trophy.

    It would have been a bit presumptuous, a bit better-than-thou, for Alabama to have denied acceptance of the UPI's trophy wouldn't it? That would have been pretty low-class, actually. I mean, why should Alabama, out of all team's in the sport's history, have had the audacity to refuse to accept the AP poll or UPI poll championship.

    Except you forgot to mention the fact that the UPI awarded it before the bowl game, where you beat by a team with a legitimate claim to a national championship. I know multiple seasons have multiple champions, that usually occurs when teams have the same/similar records and did not play each other. And schools do claim National Championships, not every school claims an NC when someone grants it to them. The BCS is a totally different system.

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  • CtrlAltDel said...

    And you have the nerve to compare Alabama to the Shula and Mike Price eras. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    Your a joke

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  • Notorious URB said...

    Your a joke

    Wanna hear a good joke? Rich Rod turned down Alabama.

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  • Wendel Clark said...

    Except you forgot to mention the fact that the UPI awarded it before the bowl game, where you beat by a team with a legitimate claim to a national championship. I know multiple seasons have multiple champions, that usually occurs when teams have the same/similar records and did not play each other. And schools do claim National Championships, not every school claims an NC when someone grants it to them. The BCS is a totally different system.

    I can't honestly believe that you are of the opinion that Alabama should have turned down the AP and UPI trophies just to teach the AP or the UPI a morality lesson about when they should have or should not have awarded their trophies.

    Can you list another team in this country that has ever refused to accept or acknowledge an AP or a UPI trophy based on high ideals or any other ideal? I don't know of one.

    You imagine Alabama should have rebuked the UPI and it's determination of when it decided to award it's trophy to teach the UPI a lesson?

    Come on. Let's not let animosity cloud our judgment. If it wasn't Alabama that was awarded their title that season, '73, before bowl games, it would have been another team that they awarded it to BEFORE the bowl games.

    That Alabama subsequently lost to Notre Dame makes the UPI's trophy no less valid and as far as I know, they have not, nor did they ever, request that it be returned. That the UPI changed their system afterwards is of little concern to Alabama or any other team in years past that was awarded a trophy before the bowl games.

    Would you also like to invalidate, just cause you say so and think it's a good idea, all the other UPI national championship seasons that occurred before they switched up their system to after the bowl games?

    A lot of teams are going to lose a lot of NC's but, that would be the only fair way to play it if you wish to take Alabama's away.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by CtrlAltDel on 7/2/2012 at 5:22 AM

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  • Wendel Clark said...

    Wanna hear a good joke? Rich Rod turned down Alabama.

    Thank god!! lol

    wrightman1

  • RTR22 said...

    Well, there's so many different ways to rank them when you only have a generic term like "tradition." I'd probably do it based on titles, using only major poll titles so all the B/S is removed.

    Alabama- 9 AP or Coaches Poll titles ND- 8 USC & OU- 7 Miami, Neb, OSU- 5

    That's a solid group imo

    Wow, give up pretty easy don't you. I assume you will be the guy that, 30 years from now, will be arguing that no AP or UPI or BCS/Pre-Playoff NC's are valid either and it's just too much trouble trying to keep all the B/S straight, so you don't really consider any of those titles valid.

    If Alabama wasn't NC in 1925, after winning the Rose Bowl against the best team in the nation, Washington, and going 10-0, who exactly was?

    Dartmouth played only 8 games, and out of those 8 teams, 4 of them were elementary schools and Dartmouth didn't do bowl games. Out of the four legit teams they did defeat, three were having horrible seasons.

    1925- Dartmouth (Independent)

    9/26 vs. Norwich (non-IA) W 59 0
    10/3 vs. Hobart (non-IA) W 34 0
    10/10 vs. Vermont (non-IA) W 50 0
    10/17 vs. Maine (non-IA) W 56 0
    10/24 @ Harvard (4-3-1) W 32 9
    10/31 @ Brown (5-4-1) W 14 0
    11/7 vs. Cornell (6-2) W 62 13
    11/14 @ Chicago (3-4-1) W 33 7

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by CtrlAltDel on 7/2/2012 at 4:04 AM

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  • Wendel Clark said...

    Except you forgot to mention the fact that the UPI awarded it before the bowl game, where you beat by a team with a legitimate claim to a national championship. I know multiple seasons have multiple champions, that usually occurs when teams have the same/similar records and did not play each other. And schools do claim National Championships, not every school claims an NC when someone grants it to them. The BCS is a totally different system.

    What baffles me is why we don't claim the 1966 title.

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  • Wendel Clark said...

    Wanna hear a good joke? Rich Rod turned down Alabama.

    Can't lie, was shocked...and soooo happy about it. But to set the record straight, I think it was Rita that turned us down. Her hair couldn't take the humidity around here.

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  • Notorious URB said...

    I think the 4 or 5 made up national titles that bama claims takes them out automatically.

    I don't think it should take Alabama out completely, because they still do have about 7-9 titles that they for the most part earned. What does take Alabama out the equation, is how weak Alabama has been when it comes to playing the big boys compared to the elite teams traditionally.

    My top 2 is USC & Notre Dame. In no particular order after that
    I feel the other 6 in the elite 8 would be; Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, & Nebraska,

    Now this is only 1 of several factors that should go into judging who has the
    greatest tradition of all-time but I think it is an important one.

    Some stats to consider when judging all-time programs
    Head-2-Head between the Elite 8 Programs
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    1-Texas (79-60-6) 57%
    2-Notre Dame (88-70-7) 55%
    2-Michigan (88-70-8) 55%
    4-USC (69-64-8) (52%)
    5-Oklahoma (94-110-10) 46%
    6-Ohio State (60-80-7) 43%
    6-Nebraska (55-74-6) 43%
    6-Alabama (15-20-2) 43%

    Total games played vs the other Elite 8 Programs
    Oklahoma -214
    Michigan -166
    Notre Dame -165
    Ohio State -147
    Texas -145
    USC -141
    Nebraska -135
    Alabama- 37

    Series W-L (Between the 8)
    USC...5-2
    Texas 5-2
    ND......4-3
    Mich...4-3
    OU.....3-3-1
    Bama.3-4
    OSU...2-4-1
    Neb....1-6

    The bottom 3 teams in winning pct% (Ohio State, Nebraska, & Alabama are the only 3
    out of the 8 teams who haven't dominated at least 1 of the 8 opponents to the tune of
    at least a series lead of 4 or more games. To be fair, Alabama does have a 3 game lead
    on USC and Ohio St. Michigan is the only school that hasn't doesn't have a -4 series margin
    against any of their opponents.

    +/- 4 or larger in series
    Michigan- +14 over Ohio State, +5 over Notre Dame. (only school not - 4 or more vs any of the 8)
    ND- +4 over Alabama, +6 over Texas, +8 over USC. (- 5 vs Michigan)
    USC- +4 over Oklahoma, +4 over Ohio State, (- 8 vs ND)
    Texas +14 over Oklahoma, +6 over Nebraska, +6 over Alabama, ( - 6 vs ND)
    Oklahoma +7 over Nebraska (- 4 vs USC, - 14 vs Texas, - 7 vs ND)

    Alabama ( no +4 or better) (- 4 vs ND, - 6 vs Texas)
    Ohio State (no +4 or better) (- 14 vs Mich, - 4 vs USC)
    Nebraska (no +4 or better) (- 7 vs OU, -6 vs Texas)

    Texas & Michigan do well, but the don't have as many titles. Alabama has the titles, but is
    under .500 against the Elite 8, and hasn't played nearly as many games or their record may be worse.

    It comes down to USC and Notre Dame, 2 teams that have both -- the titles and
    the abiltiy to win against the big boys.

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●


  • The SEC is an illusion, hiding behind clever scheduling and scam computer rankings
    that tell everyone how the south is the best. However, this magic trick looks anything but amazing,
    when you know how the trick is performed.

    Just take a look at Alabama's all-time resume against non-southern AQ teams and see how they
    look a lot less like USC, Notre Dame, etc, and a lot more like Iowa, Purdue, or Cal. Just hovering around .500.

    Alabama vs
    Top Tier Non-Southern AQ Schools
    ============================
    5-2 USC
    3-2 Nebraska
    1-2-1 Oklahoma
    1-7-1 Texas
    1-2 Michigan
    0-1 Wisconsin
    3-0 Ohio State
    10-5 Penn State
    1-5 Notre Dame
    --------------------
    Total (25-26-2)

    2nd Tier Non-Southern AQ Schools
    ============================
    Oklahoma St 0-1
    UCLA 1-2
    CAL 1-1
    Washington 4-0
    Stanford 1-0-1
    Colorado 2-1
    Utah 0-1
    TCU 2-3
    Michigan St 1-0
    Minnesota 0-1
    Boston College 1-3
    Syracuse 1-1
    ------------------
    Totals (14-14-1)

    Non Southern Non-AQ Schools
    =========================
    BYU 1-0
    Hawaii 2-1
    Rice 0-3
    SMU 2-0
    N. Illinois 0-1
    ----------------
    Total (5-5)

    Alabama vs Non-Southern AQ Schools
    Overall (44-45-3)

    Compared to:
    USC vs Non-Southern AQ Schools
    (148-84-9) 63%
    USC also whipped the South AQ schools winning nearly 70% of approx 60 games.

    Alabama vs Southern AQ Schools (Non-Conference games only)
    77-19-4 (79%)

    Wow, what a difference a region makes as Alabama wins nearly 80% of their games
    vs Southern AQ teams and yet struggles to be .500 vs the Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12
    & non-southen Big East teams.

    So that's the magic trick, beat up on lousy little brother basketball conference ACC, and people won't notice that you are just average against everybody else in the east, north and west. Eventually, you will hardly ever play any road games against AQ schools not in the south and fix it so they can go a whole season without beating anyone good outside of the south and still call themselves champion.
    Oh wait, that already happened last year.

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