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RabidWolverine said...
I just looked up the stats of Namath, Stabler, Starr, and compared them to the Heisman winners.. The voters got it right, Namath, Stabler, and Starr were outperformed by the actual Heisman winners. So no, they didn't deserve to win one. Anybody else you got for me that you think was "robbed"?
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Nope.
Shaun Alexander 1999 season = 302 carries, 1383 yds, 4.6 YpC, 19 TD's Ron Dayne 1999 season = 303 carries, 1834 yds, 6.1 YpC, 19 TD's
Still didn't get robbed. FYI, I picked the 1999 season because it was his best one, and the season I assume you think he got robbed.
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Raw stats have nothing to do with who wins the Heisman Trophy, you are misinformed. It has to do with what player on a very successful team helped contribute to that team's success in the most viable way.
Being a freak of nature has absolutely nothing to do with winning a Heisman.
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Raw stats have nothing to do with who wins the Heisman Trophy, you are misinformed. It has to do with what player on a very successful team helped contribute to that team's success in the most viable way.
Being a freak of nature has absolutely nothing to do with winning a Heisman.
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Raw stats have nothing to do with who wins the Heisman Trophy, you are misinformed. It has to do with what player on a very successful team helped contribute to that team's success in the most viable way.
Being a freak of nature has absolutely nothing to do with winning a Heisman.
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You truly believe that Alexander was more deserving than Dayne? Wisconsin finished #8, Bama finished #9, it's not like either led their team closer to a NC than the other, so the most logical indicator of who should win the Heisman would be individual stats, no?
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The following is a compilation of all the interesting Alabama football stats that are scattered around on different websites, in a myriad of books, football programs, etc... all coalesced into one .txt file for easy viewing.
Enjoy!
Overall, the Alabama Crimson Tide is the best team to ever put
on helmets and cleats in the history of American Collegiate Div. 1-A football.Very few institutions in American sports can match the enduring excellence of the
University of Alabama football program. Across a wide swath of the last century, the
tradition-rich Crimson Tide has claimed fourteen national championships, captured
twenty-six conference titles, finished thirty-six times among the country's top ten, and
played in 59 bowl games.The #1 Overall Most Successful Div. 1-A Football Team
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_team_rankings.php14 National Championships
All Time Football Record (814-320-43)
34 Bowl Wins - Best in the nation.
59 Bowl Games - Best in the nation.22 SEC Championship Titles - More than any team in the SEC.
4 Southern Conference Championships
26 Total Conference Championships50 Top 25 Finishes
38 Top 10 Finishes
93 Winning Seasons
10 Undefeated Seasons
17 Undefeated Regular Seasons
24 double digit winning streaks. Best in the nation.
814 Total Wins
8th All-Time In The Nation in outright wins at 0.710.
7th All-Time in winning percentage at 0.709.(This total does not include 29 wins nullified by the NCAA)
Official Overall Record (814-320-43)--0.710
Unaltered Overall Record(843-311-44)--0.722Southern Conference Record/1921-1932 = (89-23-6)--0.780
Official Southeastern Conference Record - (609-236-26)--0.714
Unaltered Southeastern Conference Record - (638-227-27)--0.73031 Ten Win Seasons - 2nd best in nation
15 Eleven Win Seasons - 3rd best in nation.All Time Record at Bryant-Denny Stadium:
236-48-3All-Time Record at Legion Field:
160-52-12All-Time Record at Rickwood Field:
23-12-5All Time Record at Denny Field:
43-3All-Time Record at The Quad:
42-11================================
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Conference Championships:SEC Titles - 22
1933 - '34 - '37-'45 - '53 - '61 - '64 - '65 - '66 - '71 - '72 - '73 -
'74 - '75 - '77 - '78 - '79 - '81 - '89 - '92 - '99 - 2009Southern Conference Championships - 4
1924,'25,'26 &'30.
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================================Alabama vs. SEC Opponents - All-Time
Winning % - 0.695
Games Played - 563
Won - 381
Lost -161
Tied - 21Alabama - 15 Wins Arkansas - 7 Wins Ties - 0
Average score: Alabama 26.3 - Arkansas 17.6Alabama - 41 Wins Auburn - 34 Wins Ties - 1
Average score: Alabama 19.5 - Auburn 16.0Alabama - 49 Wins Tennessee-37 Wins Ties - 8
Average score: Alabama 17.2 - Tennessee 13.8Alabama - 12 Wins S. Caro. - 3 Wins Ties - 0
Average score: Alabama 26.9 - South Carolina 10.8Alabama - 23 Wins Florida - 14 Wins Ties - 0
Average score: Alabama 25.0 - Florida 14.8Alabama - 36 Wins Georgia - 25 Wins Ties - 4
Average score: Alabama 16.3 - Georgia 11.9Alabama - 46 Wins LSU - 25 Wins Ties - 5
Average score: Alabama 19.0 - LSU 12.1Alabama - 35 Wins Kentucky - 2 Wins Ties - 1
Average score: Alabama 25.2 - Kentucky 7.3Alabama - 49 Wins Mississippi - 8 Wins Ties - 2
Average score: Alabama 29.2 - Mississippi 11.1Alabama - 61 Wins Vanderbilt - 18 Wins Ties - 4
Average score: Alabama 23.6 - Vanderbilt 12.1Alabama - 76 Wins Ms. State - 17 Wins Ties - 3
Average score: Alabama 22.4 - Mississippi St 9.5Alabama - 3 Wins Texas A&M - 1 Win Ties - 0
Average score: Alabama 24.5 - Texas AM 15.3Alabama - 1 Win Missouri - 2 wins Ties - 0
Average score: Alabama 18.3 - Missouri 25.0================================
================================Bowls:
The team has played in 59 bowl games, the most of any college team.
(34 wins, 22 losses, and 3 ties)The Crimson Tide has played in 17 different bowl games, this includes the newly created BCS Bowl Championship game.
Alabama has played in one out of every 10 Cotton Bowl games.
Bama has won more Sugar Bowls than any other team with 13
appearances and 8 wins.The Tide has played in eight Orange Bowls.
The Crimson Tide has participated in six Rose Bowls. Out of these, they won four, lost one, and tied one.
21 Major Bowl Victories & 1 Tie:
'26 Rose - Won
'27 Rose - Tie
'31 Rose - Won
'35 Rose - Won
'42 Cotton - Won
'43 Orange - Won
'46 Rose - Won
'53 Orange - Won
'62 Sugar - Won
'63 Orange - Won
'64 Sugar - Won
'66 Orange - Won
'67 Sugar - Won
'75 Sugar - Won
'78 Sugar - Won
'79 Sugar - Won
'80 Sugar - Won
'81 Cotton - Won
'93 Sugar - Won
2010 BCS - Won - '09 Champions
2012 BCS - Won - '11 Champions================================
================================10+ Win Seasons:
Year Record
1920 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-1
1925 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-0
1930 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-0
1934 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-0
1945 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-0
1952 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-2
1961 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11-0
1962 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-1
1964 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-1
1966 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11-0
1971 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11-1
1972 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-2
1973 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11-1
1974 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11-1
1975 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11-1
1977 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11-1
1978 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11-1
1979 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .12-0
1980 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-2
1986 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-3
1989 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-2
1991 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11-1
1992 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .13-0
1994 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .12-1
1996 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-3
1999 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-3
2002 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-3
2005 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-2
2008 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .12-2
2009 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .14-0
2010 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10-3
2011 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .12-1================================
================================Dominating Decades:
School (Decade) Overall Record
ALABAMA (1960s) 90-16-4
ALABAMA (1970s) 103-16-1
Oklahoma (1970s) 102-13-3
Nebraska (1980s) 103-20
BYU (1980s) 102-26
Florida State (1990s) 109-13-1
Nebraska (1990s) 108-16-1
Florida (1990s) 102-22-1================================
================================College and Pro Football Hall of Fame:
Alabama has 17 college football hall-of-famers, and 104 players honored 121 times as first team All-Americans (44 consensus) in its history, including 12 players honored twice and two players (Cornelius Bennett and Woodrow Lowe) who were honored three times.
Alabama has 3 College Football Hall of Fame coaches.
There are players and coaches from every single decade from the 1920's forward from Alabama that have been inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame.
The Crimson Tide have seven former players in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the third highest total among college football programs. The elite list includes Don Hutson (1963), Bart Starr (1977), Joe Namath (1985), John Hannah (1990), Dwight Stephenson (1998), Ozzie Newsome (1999) and most recently Derrick Thomas (2009).
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================================Alabama's '09 National Championship Season
Alabama became the first team in major college football history to defeat the last three previous national champions in the same season. (24-15 vs '07 champion LSU, 32-13 vs '08 & '06 champion Florida and 37-21 vs '05 champion Texas)
Alabama became the first team in major college football history to defeat two straight opponents with at least a 12-0 record.
(defeated 12-0 Florida in SEC title game and 13-0 Texas in BCS title game)Alabama placed six players on the Associated Press All-American first team. That's the most ever selected from one team. (previously five by Oklahoma in '87 & '03)
Alabama defeated 10 bowl opponents in 2009. That's the most ever recorded in major college football history.
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================================Best Defense To Ever Exist:
The Alabama Crimson Tide's 1961 defense allowed a mere 25 points all season, compiling six shutouts, five of them coming consecutively. No defense, in collegiate 1-A football, has fared better on paper than the 1961 Crimson Tide defense led by Leroy Jordan. While the defense held opponents to a combined total of 25 points, the Tide's offense scored 297 points throughout the season.
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================================Miscellaneous:
Coach Paul Bear Bryant posted a remarkable 72-2 (.973) record in Tuscaloosa, losing only to Florida (1963) and Southern Miss (1982).
During the decade of the '60s Alabama compiled a record of 90-16-5 with eight of those
losses coming in the final two years of the 1960s.During the decade of the 1970s, 'Bama compiled a 103-16-1 record. Five of
these losses coming in the year 1970, alone.Overall, from the year 1960 through the year 1979 the Crimson Tide managed a staggering 193-32-5 (0.850) record. During this same time span, the Crimson Tide was 59-1 (0.983) at home.
From 1963-82, Alabama posted an NCAA record 57-game home winning streak. Miami has since beaten this record, with 58 straight home wins, but 3 of their wins came in bowl games at their home stadium. All of 'Bama's wins were during the regular season.
On November 16, 1968, Alabama defeats Miami, 14-6, in a nationally televised night game from the Orange Bowl Stadium. It is the first ever-prime time regular season game televised. ABC had the rights to the game.
On October 3, 1969, Alabama defeats Ole Miss 33-32 on ABC television in the first ever prime time telecast of an SEC football game.
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================================Academics:
The USA Today All-USA College Academic Team honors the best of the best undergraduate academic all-stars from across the nation. The team recognizes college students who not only excel in scholarship but also extend their intellectual abilities beyond the classroom to benefit society.
With seven team members, UA students account for more than 10 percent of the 60 students nationwide named to USA Todays First, Second and Third Teams. UA has the most team members of any school. Yale comes in second with five team members.
This years team brings UAs total for the last six years to 31, a figure that tops all other colleges and universities. In addition to this year, UA had the most students on the list in 2006 with six and in 2005 and 2003, both with five. In 2007, UA tied with Washington University-St. Louis for the most team members with four. In 2004, with four students on the team, UA came in second only to Harvard.
Alabama consistently fields student-athletes who excel in the classroom as well as on the field. The University of Alabama is tied for fifth in the nation for the number of Academic-All Americans since 2000 from all universities.
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Jack Daniels said...
I was laughing when I saw CtrlAltDel try to use academics as an example of his school's "superiority". Give us a break, your school's academics are trash compared to most B1G schools. Having several Academic All-Amercans does not mean a lot considering the difficulty of their courses. Also, everyone can have their own opinion, so you should stop trying to shove your Alabama Propaganda down everyone's throats.
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Although I recognize that it is literally impossible to quantify tradition, I understand what people are getting at. In light of the fact that this is a completely subjective question, here is my answer:
All-Time: 1. Michigan 2. Notre Dame 3. Oklahoma 4. Alabama 5. USC Honorable Mention: Yale
Since WW2: 1. Oklahoma 2. Alabama 3. USC 4. Ohio St 5. Michigan Honorable Mention: Miami, FSU
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Although I recognize that it is literally impossible to quantify tradition, I understand what people are getting at. In light of the fact that this is a completely subjective question, here is my answer:
All-Time:
1. Michigan
2. Notre Dame
3. Oklahoma
4. Alabama
5. USC
Honorable Mention: YaleSince WW2:
1. Oklahoma
2. Alabama
3. USC
4. Ohio St
5. Michigan
Honorable Mention: Miami, FSUSlugjuice
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