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Who has the talent to stop the SEC?

  • http://247sports.com/Article/Ohio-State-FSU-USC-have-the-best-shot-at-stopping-the-streak-110390

    Which programs are in the best position from a roster-building, raw talent standpoint to stop the Southeastern Conference's seven-championship streak?

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  • "...it’s officially a dynasty for the league and the Crimson Tide."

    LULZZZZZZZ

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  • Didn't read yet but going off coaching staffs, schedules, and talent being brought in I'd say Oregon, FSU, and Ohio St. in that order.

    Gary Dodson

  • devidee said...

    "...it’s officially a dynasty for the league and the Crimson Tide."

    LULZZZZZZZ

    Seven straight national titles and three of four national titles for Alabama. That's a dynasty in this era of college football.

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  • Gary Dodson said...

    Didn't read yet but going off coaching staffs, schedules, and talent being brought in I'd say Oregon, FSU, and Ohio St. in that order.

    1. Ohio State, 2. Florida State, 3. USC

    I do think Oregon wins one in the near future, though, if that makes sense.

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  • Nobody. Time to crown the SEC champs NC's. Everyone else can battle for 2nd.

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  • "Geography works to the advantage of those programs compared to the rest of the country and the other leagues (like the Atlantic Coast Conference) located in the same region have gotten the perception of being a second-rate league considering the success of their neighbors."

    I don't understand this statement. Why are the ACC teams in the south not great when they have the same geographical accessibility to players as the SEC?

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  • 7 in a row isn't enough?

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  • devidee said...

    "Geography works to the advantage of those programs compared to the rest of the country and the other leagues (like the Atlantic Coast Conference) located in the same region have gotten the perception of being a second-rate league considering the success of their neighbors."

    I don't understand this statement. Why are the ACC teams in the south not great when they have the same geographical accessibility to players as the SEC?

    Falcons?

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Seven straight national titles and three of four national titles for Alabama. That's a dynasty in this era of college football.

    That's the product of two great coaches.

    I don't see UGA or South Carolina or Arkansas or Auburn (sans buying a great player) doing much in the BCS era.

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  • devidee said...

    "Geography works to the advantage of those programs compared to the rest of the country and the other leagues (like the Atlantic Coast Conference) located in the same region have gotten the perception of being a second-rate league considering the success of their neighbors."

    I don't understand this statement. Why are the ACC teams in the south not great when they have the same geographical accessibility to players as the SEC?

    They used to be more competitive. With the championship streak, though, a lot of good recruits when it comes to going to say a North Carolina or an Ole Miss, they are going for the Ole Miss simply because of ACC vs. SEC.

    I am sure that played a part in Ryan Jenkins decision to flip from Clemson to Tennessee and DeMarcus Robinson's decision to flip from Clemson to Florida.

    Clemson and Florida State are the only two ACC programs that currently can win out-of-state recruiting battles vs. the SEC at a consistent rate and you look at the state of North Carolina and the players they've funneled to Florida and Georgia the last two classes. There was a time those kids were staying in-state or heading to Florida State. Now, the SEC gets a hunk of them.

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  • "The Buckeyes went out and got themselves a successful SEC football coach and though the schedule this year did leave a lot to be desired (it wasn’t that weak, though), Urban Meyer posted a 12-0 mark during his first season."

    Meyer was successful before he ever got to the SEC. The SEC didn't create his success. Meyer is a big reason for the so called "SEC dynasty."

    This article reads like it was written by Clay Travis.

    Awful.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    They used to be more competitive. With the championship streak, though, a lot of good recruits when it comes to going to say a North Carolina or an Ole Miss, they are going for the Ole Miss simply because of ACC vs. SEC.

    I am sure that played a part in Ryan Jenkins decision to flip from Clemson to Tennessee and DeMarcus Robinson's decision to flip from Clemson to Florida.

    Clemson and Florida State are the only two ACC programs that currently can win out-of-state recruiting battles vs. the SEC at a consistent rate and you look at the state of North Carolina and the players they've funneled to Florida and Georgia the last two classes. There was a time those kids were staying in-state or heading to Florida State. Now, the SEC gets a hunk of them.

    So you're saying it's simply perception.

    I can buy that.

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  • devidee said...

    That's the product of two great coaches.

    I don't see UGA or South Carolina or Arkansas or Auburn (sans buying a great player) doing much in the BCS era.

    Georgia was a play away from playing for all of the marbles this year and annually sends a truckload of players to the NFL. They have better players than most of the teams in the country. South Carolina is up under Spurrier because it gets the in-state kids that used to go elsewhere (Lattimore, Clowney, Gilmore, etc.). They are at an all-time high.

    Arkansas and Auburn have new coaching staffs, so lets see what they do. Same with Tennessee. I think those three programs are in a tough spot right now. The Vols haven't been very good in some time and are on their third coach since Fulmer- who left in 2008, plus South Carolina and now Vanderbilt are up. The Razorbacks and Tigers are in a tough spot because of their division. Texas A&M is one of the hottest programs in college football and is an emerging powerhouse, LSU and Bama aren't going anywhere and the Mississippi schools are recruiting out of their mind.

    The "big six" programs in the league (the ones that are the more traditional powers) are Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida and LSU FWIW. All but UGA have won National Titles in the BCS era and Bama, LSU and the Gators have won more than one.

    The last seven years, four different schools have won National Championships by the following scores.

    2006- Florida 41, Ohio State 14
    2007- LSU 38, Ohio State 24
    2008- Florida 24, Oklahoma 14
    2009- Alabama 37, Texas 20
    2010- Auburn 22, Oregon 19
    2011- Alabama 21, LSU 0
    2012- Alabama 42, Notre Dame 14

    So that's an average margin of victory of 17.14 points and only Auburn-Oregon was close.

    I'd say overall that's a dynasty. Doesn't mean a program like Ohio State, Florida State, USC or some other school can't stop it, but it is what it is.

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  • devidee said...

    "The Buckeyes went out and got themselves a successful SEC football coach and though the schedule this year did leave a lot to be desired (it wasn’t that weak, though), Urban Meyer posted a 12-0 mark during his first season."

    Meyer was successful until Nick Saban came back to the SEC.

    This article reads like it was written by Clay Travis.

    Awful.

    FIFY

    This post was edited by Macdaddy7930 on 1/8/2013 at 1:56 PM

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  • I think the B1G and the PAC12 are very good conferences and will be harder to navigate than the ACC for FSU, but I think Oregon's offensive speed will be the biggest challenge for an SEC defense.

    Urban Meyer is the real deal and I think he has a great chance of getting another title.

    Gary Dodson

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    2006- Florida 41, Ohio State 14 2007- LSU 38, Ohio State 24 2008- Florida 24, Oklahoma 14 2009- Alabama 37, Texas 20 2010- Auburn 22, Oregon 19 2011- Alabama 21, LSU 0 2012- Alabama 42, Notre Dame 14

    Florida - Meyer
    LSU - Miles (with Saban's players in a crazy year)
    Florida - Meyer
    Bama - Saban
    Auburn - Come on man
    Bama - Saban
    Bama - Saban

    The SEC "dynasty" is built on two coaches.

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  • devidee said...

    "The Buckeyes went out and got themselves a successful SEC football coach and though the schedule this year did leave a lot to be desired (it wasn’t that weak, though), Urban Meyer posted a 12-0 mark during his first season."

    Meyer was successful before he ever got to the SEC. The SEC didn't create his success. Meyer is a big reason for the so called "SEC dynasty."

    This article reads like it was written by Clay Travis.

    Awful.

    I agree with you and that's not what I meant and you are making crap up in your head RE: Clay Travis. Who do you think can build a better roster to win one or two games against an elite SEC program and get a championship for Ohio State? Your former coach (no) or your current coach? Who do you think understands how to win against those types of teams? Your former coach (no) or your current coach? Who do you think understands the importance of recruiting the Southeast heavily and who has the street cred because of his experience in the SEC to go pluck recruits from those programs? Your former coach (no) or your current coach?

    And your former coach was a damn good coach.

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  • I get the need to hype these programs but the only competition comes from within.

    (One of many) OSU played a similar schedule to ND and went undefeated and would have received the same beat down.

    Oregon could not out speed LSU and West Virginia went up and down the field but that brand does not work in the red zone, lot of yds. but no score.

    If the SEC champ has one loss and gets left out of the BCSCG then it will be a media title and not the played out on the field.

    Simply stated no matter the record if an SEC team plays they will beat a weak (one of many)OSU, Oregon, FSU, Texas or USUw or whomever the media wishes. Play the SEC in the big game and beat us and it will still be "one of" in this decade. We don't need the media we invite you to play us, just play.

    SEC Baby!!!!

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  • devidee said...

    Florida - Meyer LSU - Miles (with Saban's players in a crazy year) Florida - Meyer Bama - Saban Auburn - Come on man Bama - Saban Bama - Saban

    The SEC "dynasty" is built on two coaches.

    Miles did have Saban's players on that roster, but you do realize Nick Saban left after the 2004 season and Miles won it in 2007 and played for it again last season.

    And if it is built on two coaches, so what?

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  • At least we all can agree Michigan isint going to be able to hang with the big boys

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  • Bengalfan said...

    I get the need to hype these programs but the only competition comes from within.

    (One of many) OSU played a similar schedule to ND and went undefeated and would have received the same best down.

    Oregon could not out speed LSU and West Virginia went up and down the field but that brand does not work in the red zone, lot of yds. but no score.

    If the SEC champ has one loss and gets left out of the BCSCG then it will be a media title and not the played out on the field.

    Simply stated no matter the record if an SEC team plays they will beat a weak (one of many)OSU, Oregon, FSU, Texas or USUw or whomever the media wishes. Play the SEC in the big game and beat us and it will still be "one of" in this decade. We don't need the media we invite you to play us, just play.

    SEC Baby!!!!

    Calm down guy. The gap is not nearly as wide as Bama made it look last night.

    Gary Dodson

  • It's interesting to see devidee's defense mechanism play out in this thread.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    I agree with you and that's not what I meant and you are making crap up in your head RE: Clay Travis. Who do you think can build a better roster to win one or two games against an elite SEC program and get a championship for Ohio State? Your former coach (no) or your current coach? Who do you think understands how to win against those types of teams? Your former coach (no) or your current coach? Who do you think understands the importance of recruiting the Southeast heavily and who has the street cred because of his experience in the SEC to go pluck recruits from those programs? Your former coach (no) or your current coach?

    And your former coach was a damn good coach.

    The Miami team Tressel beat in '02 was as talented (and could be argued more talented) than any SEC team of the current BCS era.

    This post was edited by devidee on 1/8/2013 at 2:15 PM

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Miles did have Saban's players on that roster, but you do realize Nick Saban left after the 2004 season and Miles won it in 2007 and played for it again last season.

    And if it is built on two coaches, so what?

    Because you are creating a false paradigm in which every SEC team is deemed equal simply based on geography.

    They are not.

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