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Who has the talent to stop the SEC?

  • brem22 said...

    I'm not talking historically at all. I'm just talking about this season/today.

    That said, if any team has the juice to knock off Bama in the SEC it'll be FLA IMO. Their recruiting has been money the past few years. A&M's recruiting, for example, is laughable in comparison.

    Am I missing something? Since the 1st of these 3 NC's, USCe was the 1st to knock Bama off, ending their 19 game winning streak & their qb's crazy never-lost-a-game streak, followed by LSU, AU, LSU, & A&M. That's 4 SEC teams in the last 3 seasons, & 1 did it twice, who had the juice to knock off Bama. So, while other conferences may not have the juice, I'd say that's a big part of the celebration behind other teams celebrating when one of their own does win, because they can & do knock each other off, proving that numerous of them are elite NC caliber teams

    #TeamWinAnyway!

    SparklCityGC

  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Your numbers are wrong.

    Bama only signed 23 in '11 and 26 in '10, then signed 28 in '09.

    According to 247

    28 in 2009
    27 in 2010
    25 in 2011
    26 in 2012. Total of 106

    *rival had one more signee

    This post was edited by Jagstyle on 1/8/2013 at 11:07 PM

    Alabama 2012 Football Commits

    http://alabama.247sports.com/Season/2012-Football/Commits

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    Jagstyle

  • sullkev said...

    How is that a torpedo? It just puts Bama on the same playing field as the rest of us. If you take a risk on a questionable kid it has circumstances. Pure and simple. To allow for them to have 6-12 mulligans each and every recruiting cycle is a Competitive Advantage. Oversigning !!!

    Mulligans? Prove your argument with factual information that all these recruits were forced out. The problem is, none of you can, other than providing signing day numbers.

    Provide enrollment numbers and prove Saban over-enrolled.

    Bama only had 81 scholarship players on the team this season and awarded two to walk-on's, giving us 83 on scholly.

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  • According the 247, Bama had 25 commits for '11. However, Love and Carswell were in the 2010 class, not 2011.

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    Macdaddy7930

  • I say quit your bitching Devidee and put up or shut up. You're saying that were doing kids wrong and that we kicked them off the team with medical hardships. You've got a web site and I'm sure you have a cell phone and can use google. Since Saban has been here list all the kids we enrolled and list the ones that left early and for what reason. Get on the phone and ask these kids if they were run off. Ask them for interviews and write up a real story if it's there. It seems odd to me that it's never been done by a credible news source.

    We do recommend to some players that they need to transfer if they ever want to play because they don't follow our standards. It has no bearing on how good they are on the field. If you dont go to class you dont play. If you dont follow rules you dont play. Two players that transferred last year started for Texas and Tennessee this year. And we all know the story with Duron as well. CUM would be wise to follow this example better than he did at UF if he doesn't want his players getting arrested left and right again.

    We have standards at Alabama and if you don't meet them then it's time to hit the road. I'll never apologize for that. If you're team isn't doing that then it's your own fault and it isn't fair to the other players that are giving everything of themselves to the team. We don't cut players due to ability. That's absurd. That story would be everywhere in two seconds. So where is it? If you got the balls you try to find it. But quit hiding behind your key board and do some real research instead of playing around with spreadsheets. It's not hard to find the players that have left our program early. Most of them are in the NFL but I'm sure you can find the other ones. Some are really good players that didn't start here and transferred like BJ Scott and Sims. One of them died. I'll be waiting on this story with quotes from multiple ex players that say they were cut because of on the field performance in order to make room for new players.

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    According the 247, Bama had 25 commits for '11. However, Love and Carswell were in the 2010 class, not 2011.

    So you are saying that we should add 2 to the 2010 class which now makes that class 29.

    At some point, you have to accept reality. In 2008 Alabama signed 32. There is a paper trail that follows.

    Excuses and BS are for the weak.

    Jagstyle

  • With all due respect I only agree with one of your 3 teams and that is Ohio St. USC? Nah, losing too much talent after this year and not gonna win anything with Lane Kiffin. Fla St? No. Over the past 4 or 5 years they have been one of the most over rated teams in the country along with ND, Va Tech and Oklahoma. Those 4 teams start the year ranked high and never live up to it. Next year there are 2 teams that could stop the SEC streak. Ohio St or Oregon. Bottom line is thats probably not going to happen though.

    Tempe03

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    You think Notre Dame beats Texas A&M, Georgia or Florida?

    No they get run out of the stadium.

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    LaBornNRaised

  • brem22 said...

    Huh? So this years class is going to make them a powerhouse next year?

    Over the past three/four years FLA classes have destroyed A&Ms. It's not even close. So yeah, to compare the two teams, today, talent-wise, is...

    Laughable.

    Destroying them? Don't know about that. UF recruits at a high level, but so does A&M.

    I think you believe the difference between a top 5-10 class and a top 15-20 class is greater than it is.

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  • SparklCityGC said...

    Am I missing something? Since the 1st of these 3 NC's, USCe was the 1st to knock Bama off, ending their 19 game winning streak & their qb's crazy never-lost-a-game streak, followed by LSU, AU, LSU, & A&M. That's 4 SEC teams in the last 3 seasons, & 1 did it twice, who had the juice to knock off Bama. So, while other conferences may not have the juice, I'd say that's a big part of the celebration behind other teams celebrating when one of their own does win, because they can & do knock each other off, proving that numerous of them are elite NC caliber teams

    Yea but if Bama switched schedules with LSU last year and this year there is a very good chance they do not with either BCSNC.

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  • samdog91 said...

    I say quit your bitching Devidee and put up or shut up. You're saying that were doing kids wrong and that we kicked them off the team with medical hardships. You've got a web site and I'm sure you have a cell phone and can use google. Since Saban has been here list all the kids we enrolled and list the ones that left early and for what reason. Get on the phone and ask these kids if they were run off. Ask them for interviews and write up a real story if it's there. It seems odd to me that it's never been done by a credible news source.

    Come on now, you may be going to far here. It has been done. Several times. Just for the sake of argument, ill go with who is likely to be the MOST credible. You would consider the Wall Street Journal credible, don't you?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703384204575509901468451306.html

    Say what you will about oversigning.com, but they have the best compilation of credible news sources, interviews, player comments, etc. If you go w an open mind, it is surely the best source of info. I am a SC fan, & as we have improved on the field the last few years, the same problem has arrived in Columbia, but the fans don't like it. I believe the program should be committed to the players who were committed to them.

    The state of SC puts a ton of players in Div 1 schools, including Bama, & the stories from the players of their treatment, even those who haven't been forced out, are beyond numerous. Why does this not haunt Bama on the recruiting trail? Because they win NCs & that's what 17 yr olds want. Further, I can't speak for other schools, but I know that SC does not recruit their players by bashing other schools but does so by selling their own, & it wins many of them & their parents over. Anyway, I don't like, but my school is guilty of it too...don't play ignorant as though Bama isn't!
    http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/category/sec/

    #TeamWinAnyway!

    SparklCityGC

  • bucky34 said...

    Lol jc is a homer you will never win this battle!!! This is rivals part 2 the southern Recruiting site.....

    Completely stupid statement. I have no problem with criticism, but have some intelligent thought in your post. Southern recruiting site for sure when the top classes are...

    Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida, USC and Michigan.

    That's four of the top six classes from outside of the SEC, including three from the Midwest and one from the West Coast.

    So make valid points like everyone else or don't post.

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  • SparklCityGC said...

    Come on now, you may be going to far here. It has been done. Several times. Just for the sake of argument, ill go with who is likely to be the MOST credible. You would consider the Wall Street Journal credible, don't you?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703384204575509901468451306.html

    Say what you will about oversigning.com, but they have the best compilation of credible news sources, interviews, player comments, etc. If you go w an open mind, it is surely the best source of info. I am a SC fan, & as we have improved on the field the last few years, the same problem has arrived in Columbia, but the fans don't like it. I believe the program should be committed to the players who were committed to them.

    The state of SC puts a ton of players in Div 1 schools, including Bama, & the stories from the players of their treatment, even those who haven't been forced out, are beyond numerous. Why does this not haunt Bama on the recruiting trail? Because they win NCs & that's what 17 yr olds want. Further, I can't speak for other schools, but I know that SC does not recruit their players by bashing other schools but does so by selling their own, & it wins many of them & their parents over. Anyway, I don't like, but my school is guilty of it too...don't play ignorant as though Bama isn't!
    http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/category/sec/

    This article quotes one kid who was upset about it, one kid who said he consulted with team doctors multiple times and took it gladly and one kid who failed a physical and became a student coach.

    All three said the decision was up to them, even the kid that was upset about it. The writers speculated on everything else basically based of the one kid's hypocritical comments. If he was really pressured to do so and that bitter why take it "for the good of the team"???

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  • Tempe03 said...

    With all due respect I only agree with one of your 3 teams and that is Ohio St. USC? Nah, losing too much talent after this year and not gonna win anything with Lane Kiffin. Fla St? No. Over the past 4 or 5 years they have been one of the most over rated teams in the country along with ND, Va Tech and Oklahoma. Those 4 teams start the year ranked high and never live up to it. Next year there are 2 teams that could stop the SEC streak. Ohio St or Oregon. Bottom line is thats probably not going to happen though.

    That's fine if you don't agree. Both USC and FSU have the rosters/talent to get it done. I agree Ohio State is the best pick, though.

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  • LaBornNRaised said...

    Yea but if Bama switched schedules with LSU last year and this year there is a very good chance they do not with either BCSNC.

    I don't disagree w that one bit! I also think had USCe played the games they should have at LSU or Fl, they replace Bama in NC, not to mention getting them at home. If you want to go as far as "switching schedules," USCe & LSU were practically put out to pasture in favor of Bama & Ga. SC was in the middle of a series w Miss St, having played there last year, Miss St should've come to Cola this year. Instead, it was abruptly interrupted & we were sent to Baton Rouge. Does LSU then travel to Cola to complete that series this year? Nope, Miss St is back on the schedule. Wtf??

    Likewise, Bama was set to rotate onto Ga's schedule this year. Instead, completely opposite of the SC situation, Bama was dropped from the schedule & Ga finished the series with Ole Miss, of all teams, going to Athens.

    Nope, nothing odd going on there. Oh, so you ask, are Bama & Ga picking up the dropped series in '13...of course not, silly! Bama gets....drum roll....Kensucky. That's right, but LSU gets....Ga. Since this thread is hot w conspiracy theories, I'd like to throw out the Good ol Boy system is alive & well in scheduling. Perhaps 2013 will be the year of the Gamecock, but still not looking good for LSU!

    #TeamWinAnyway!

    SparklCityGC

  • sullkev said...

    So you are saying that we should add 2 to the 2010 class which now makes that class 29.

    At some point, you have to accept reality. In 2008 Alabama signed 32. There is a paper trail that follows.

    Excuses and BS are for the weak.

    So basically the entire oversigning debate is over one class (2008) and quotes from one linebacker with a bad back who was not very good to begin with that admitted the decision to take a medical hardship was left up to him.

    After that, you are just adding up players that sign, not factoring in ANY sort of enrollment numbers, placements, and DNQs. You aren't looking into other sorts of attrition- it's all arbitrary guesswork as to the why.

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  • Buckeyechef12 said...

    Lol... I love how all these other SEC teams drink from the nipples of Saban and Miles.. And brag about how good they "all" are..Lol the SEC is very top-heavy and that's a very national opinion .. Doesn't mean the rest can't become "elite".. Bc lots of teams have the potential to get there nationally ... Saban is a beast of a coach.. That's the truth

    The "non-elite" would pretty much beat anything in the B1G

    Jeff4SC

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    That's fine if you don't agree. Both USC and FSU have the rosters/talent to get it done. I agree Ohio State is the best pick, though.

    Just my opinion. Respect the job you ,just think those teams are over rated year in and year out over past 3-4 years. They have a lot of top tier talent that hasn't lived up to the ink yet either. (out of hs)

    Tempe03

  • sullkev said...

    So you are saying that we should add 2 to the 2010 class which now makes that class 29.

    At some point, you have to accept reality. In 2008 Alabama signed 32. There is a paper trail that follows.

    Excuses and BS are for the weak.

    Ohio State could oversign if they chose to right?

    Jeff4SC

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    This article quotes one kid who was upset about it, one kid who said he consulted with team doctors multiple times and took it gladly and one kid who failed a physical and became a student coach.

    All three said the decision was up to them, even the kid that was upset about it. The writers speculated on everything else basically based of the one kid's hypocritical comments. If he was really pressured to do so and that bitter why take it "for the good of the team"???

    Because you care about your teammates & know there's no way you can win against an institution of that nature? It also says, based on their experiences, they feel as though the rule is being abused.
    Anyway, your comments are outside the issue. It actually doesn't matter if they ultimately agreed or not, the NCAA rule says the medical redshirt is for players who can no longer play. They could. Those 2 feel as though they were managed for the numbers. But, if you go beyond that, there is a link to the Finebaum interview w the writer in which he discusses many players who feared going on record & the environment around the issue.

    #TeamWinAnyway!

    SparklCityGC

  • SparklCityGC said...

    but still not looking good for lsu

    I agree. We had one of the hardest schedules I have ever seen in 2011 and we ran through it besides 2 games. I def think this year we are a 2-3 loss team before bowl season but I would not be saying that if we played Bama soft schedule. I would say one loss splitting Bama and A&M.

    There is a lot that goes into it with recruiting being a big part but the bridge schedule that the Bama alum came up with is a joke.

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  • Jeff4SC said...

    Ohio State could oversign if they chose to right?

    Did Urban Meyer oversign at Florida? Serious question, I bet you can figure out why I am asking. BTW nice article JC, I agree with you.

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  • LaBornNRaised said...

    Did Urban Meyer oversign at Florida? Serious question, I bet you can figure out why I am asking. BTW nice article JC, I agree with you.

    What does that matter if he did? You all act like they are just processing players if better ones come in.

    If so, do you have proof?

    BTW....I assume you are an LSU fan, but was still curious

    This post was edited by Jeff4SC on 1/9/2013 at 12:34 AM

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  • It's not a debate. It's reality.

    I am a realist. If the Sec west is allowed to play with the numbers, than the rest of college football should allowed to play with the numbers.

    Jagstyle

  • sullkev said...

    It's not a debate. It's reality.

    I am a realist. If the Sec west is allowed to play with the numbers, than the rest of college football should allowed to play with the numbers.

    Who is saying you can't "oversign"

    Jeff4SC