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Who has the talent to stop the SEC?

  • Jeff4SC said...

    Ohio State could oversign if they chose to right?

    To answer your Question. No. B1G rule determined by the Presidents and the Coaches !!

    Jagstyle

  • sullkev said...

    To answer your Question. No. B1G rule determined by the Presidents and the Coaches !!

    I'm still waiting on proof that the SEC is "processing" players.

    Jeff4SC

  • Jeff4SC said...

    I'm still waiting on proof that the SEC is "processing" players.

    You quoted the wrong person. Process isn't my word.

    Jagstyle

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Destroying them? Don't know about that. UF recruits at a high level, but so does A&M.

    I think you believe the difference between a top 5-10 class and a top 15-20 class is greater than it is.

    I didn't say A&M didn't recruit at a high level, I said barring this season they have not recruited at FLA's level. Not even close. And A&M hasn't been averaging #15- 20, more like #20 - 30.

    Seriously, this is jaw-dropping. Yep, no real appreciable difference between A&M's "top 15-20" classes and UF's top 5-10 classes... I mean given all the NC's and BCS appearances A&M has had it's pretty obvious that they're on par with the Gators. I can't even tell the difference between the two.

    brem22

  • sullkev said...

    You quoted the wrong person. Process isn't my word.

    Okay....well....what is your problem then?

    Jeff4SC

  • Jeff4SC said...

    What does that matter if he did? You all act like they are just processing players if better ones come in.

    If so, do you have proof?

    BTW....I assume you are an LSU fan, but was still curious

    ahh, processing is your word.. To answer the other guys question, Urban did not oversign at Florida, Utah, or BGSU despite attrition, non qualifiers, injuries, and ALL the rest of the excuses for taking mulligans. Oh BTW, Florida (& Auburn) offer 4 year scholarships.

    Jagstyle

  • sullkev said...

    ahh, processing is your word.. To answer the other guys question, Urban did not oversign at Florida, Utah, or BGSU despite attrition, non qualifiers, injuries, and ALL the rest of the excuses for taking mulligans. Oh BTW, Florida (& Auburn) offer 4 year scholarships.

    South Carolina normally operates off of 1 year scholarships meaning you have to earn it. I'm sure you have a problem with that as well?

    Jeff4SC

  • Jeff4SC said...

    South Carolina normally operates off of 1 year scholarships meaning you have to earn it. I'm sure you have a problem with that as well?

    Normally shrug. You mean it sometimes changes panic

    Jagstyle

  • sullkev said...

    Normally shrug. You mean it sometimes changes panic

    Well....Spurrier believes you earn it each year

    Jeff4SC

  • Jeff4SC said...

    Well....Spurrier believes you earn it each year

    The ole ball coach beats to his own drum. biggrin

    This post was edited by Jagstyle on 1/9/2013 at 1:20 AM

    Jagstyle

  • sullkev said...

    It's not a debate. It's reality.

    I am a realist. If the Sec west is allowed to play with the numbers, than the rest of college football should allowed to play with the numbers.

    Of course I am a LSU fan. I have no problem with oversigning, attrition, processing. We have a former 5* DT going to Tulane this year who just never panned out for us. We have a 4* QB leaving this off-season who just never fit the system. These guys know that they have to live up to their end of the bargain on the field or they will be elsewhere. They are 18/19/20/21 year old adults. This happens in the world every day with adults the same age being fired or let go from their jobs when they are not doing it up to a certain standard. How is this any different? When it comes to injuries I do not agree with processing a kid and I think the University should honor their scholarship. We had this happen with a guy a few years ago and he never lost his scholly because he got hurt.

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  • LaBornNRaised said...

    Of course I am a LSU fan. I have no problem with oversigning, attrition, processing. We have a former 5* DT going to Tulane this year who just never panned out for us. We have a 4* QB leaving this off-season who just never fit the system. These guys know that they have to live up to their end of the bargain on the field or they will be elsewhere. They are 18/19/20/21 year old adults. This happens in the world every day with adults the same age being fired or let go from their jobs when they are not doing it up to a certain standard. How is this any different? When it comes to injuries I do not agree with processing a kid and I think the University should honor their scholarship. We had this happen with a guy a few years ago and he never lost his scholly because he got hurt.

    This is by far in large the best definition I have ever heard on the subject and I agree with your statement 100%. Thank you, I was basically against the concept until just now. +1

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  • Bengalfan said...

    I get the need to hype these programs but the only competition comes from within.

    (One of many) OSU played a similar schedule to ND and went undefeated and would have received the same best down.

    Oregon could not out speed LSU and West Virginia went up and down the field but that brand does not work in the red zone, lot of yds. but no score.

    If the SEC champ has one loss and gets left out of the BCSCG then it will be a media title and not the played out on the field.

    Simply stated no matter the record if an SEC team plays they will beat a weak (one of many)OSU, Oregon, FSU, Texas or USUw or whomever the media wishes. Play the SEC in the big game and beat us and it will still be "one of" in this decade. We don't need the media we invite you to play us, just play.

    SEC Baby!!!!

    True, I don't get the slOw-hio state love propaganda. They have consistently proven nothing but that they can't win the big game. Choklahoma is the only team that can come close to rivaling slOw-hio state in suck-on-the-big-stage level of egg laying.

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  • samdog91 said...

    I say quit your bitching Devidee and put up or shut up. You're saying that were doing kids wrong and that we kicked them off the team with medical hardships. You've got a web site and I'm sure you have a cell phone and can use google. Since Saban has been here list all the kids we enrolled and list the ones that left early and for what reason. Get on the phone and ask these kids if they were run off. Ask them for interviews and write up a real story if it's there. It seems odd to me that it's never been done by a credible news source.

    We do recommend to some players that they need to transfer if they ever want to play because they don't follow our standards. It has no bearing on how good they are on the field. If you dont go to class you dont play. If you dont follow rules you dont play. Two players that transferred last year started for Texas and Tennessee this year. And we all know the story with Duron as well. CUM would be wise to follow this example better than he did at UF if he doesn't want his players getting arrested left and right again.

    We have standards at Alabama and if you don't meet them then it's time to hit the road. I'll never apologize for that. If you're team isn't doing that then it's your own fault and it isn't fair to the other players that are giving everything of themselves to the team. We don't cut players due to ability. That's absurd. That story would be everywhere in two seconds. So where is it? If you got the balls you try to find it. But quit hiding behind your key board and do some real research instead of playing around with spreadsheets. It's not hard to find the players that have left our program early. Most of them are in the NFL but I'm sure you can find the other ones. Some are really good players that didn't start here and transferred like BJ Scott and Sims. One of them died. I'll be waiting on this story with quotes from multiple ex players that say they were cut because of on the field performance in order to make room for new players.

    This-nicely done

    viper_36

  • Jeff4SC said...

    Who is saying you can't "oversign"

    B1G rules. Been in place for 40 years or so.

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  • brem22 said...

    ATM/FLA/COCKS... Good teams, but come on. They are nowhere near Bammy level. And they are not a 'cut above' any other major's top teams. Not on the field and not on paper.

    Yet in the last 3 years ATM and the Cocks have beat Bama. Guess that doesn't count as competingshrug

    Stouds1

  • devidee said...

    math is pretty hard to deny.

    Agree. Winning 1 time out of 10 chances is really bad.

    Stouds1

  • JC, if you are honestly saying the SEC west does not oversign. You are either willfully ignorant or just a liar. No offense, but their is no other conclusion.

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  • One thing that has not been mentioned in this over signing topic is that those
    85 player limits also include 5th year seniors,which would actually inflate the
    over signing even more for these teams. One of the biggest problems I have
    with this whole issue is that each team doing this always ends up right at or
    around the 85 number even when other circumstances should knock that
    number down in certain years. (transfers, enter the NFL early, of medical
    hardships). Example would be Notre Dame this year, 86 scholorships in the
    four year cycle counting the five 5th year seniors, but they had three kids
    with medical hardships, one death, and 4 transfers. That left the roster at 78.
    Now they will try to make that difference up this cycle but looking at the
    numbers, they will still end up 2-3 short. Now that is recruiting strictly by the
    numbers, not jumping up to 103 during a four year cycle. I feel if you offer
    a kid a scholorship and he doesn't live up to your standards, then guess
    what, that's your problem. There should be no mulligans in this process.
    When you are constantly allowed 15 mulligans every cycle, you cannot tell
    me that is not a unfair advantage for that team. ND honors four year scholor-
    ships and does not force anyone out early, if they miss on a recruit that
    is their problem and they live with it. Just do a better job of evaluating these
    kids from the beginning. You don't think ND would have loved to have those
    extra 7 kids on the roster to fill some of the voids they had in the secondary
    or offensive line that was hit hard by injuries before this season started.

    Junes Daddy

  • Junes Daddy said...

    One thing that has not been mentioned in this over signing topic is that those 85 player limits also include 5th year seniors,which would actually inflate the over signing even more for these teams. One of the biggest problems I have with this whole issue is that each team doing this always ends up right at or around the 85 number even when other circumstances should knock that number down in certain years. (transfers, enter the NFL early, of medical hardships). Example would be Notre Dame this year, 86 scholorships in the four year cycle counting the five 5th year seniors, but they had three kids with medical hardships, one death, and 4 transfers. That left the roster at 78. Now they will try to make that difference up this cycle but looking at the numbers, they will still end up 2-3 short. Now that is recruiting strictly by the numbers, not jumping up to 103 during a four year cycle. I feel if you offer a kid a scholorship and he doesn't live up to your standards, then guess what, that's your problem. There should be no mulligans in this process. When you are constantly allowed 15 mulligans every cycle, you cannot tell me that is not a unfair advantage for that team. ND honors four year scholor- ships and does not force anyone out early, if they miss on a recruit that is their problem and they live with it. Just do a better job of evaluating these kids from the beginning. You don't think ND would have loved to have those extra 7 kids on the roster to fill some of the voids they had in the secondary or offensive line that was hit hard by injuries before this season started.

    Stop making sense, stop it!

    This post was edited by LegalAlien on 1/9/2013 at 8:55 AM

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  • theProcess said...

    True, I don't get the slOw-hio state love propaganda. They have consistently proven nothing but that they can't win the big game. Choklahoma is the only team that can come close to rivaling slOw-hio state in suck-on-the-big-stage level of egg laying.

    they have a winning BCS bowl record. Bama has 4000 recruits and steroids.

    This post was edited by LegalAlien on 1/9/2013 at 8:57 AM

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  • LegalAlien said...

    they have a winning BCS bowl record. Bama has 4000 recruits and steroids.

    Alot of jelly ITT. Envy is a b*tch.

    Either provide facts as Samdog pointed out, or keep your tinfoil hats on. The problem is, none of you can, yet continue to spill your conspiracy theory.

    Open: 1/8 - ESPN

    Colin Cowherd says dynasties create clarity, so figure out how to emulate Alabama's success instead of being envious of the Crimson Tide.

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Alot of jelly ITT. Envy is a b*tch.

    Either provide facts as Samdog pointed out, or keep your tinfoil hats on. The problem is, none of you can, yet continue to spill your conspiracy theory.

    Saban is a great coach and a great recruiter. But to act as if signing an extra 20-30 players every 4 years isn't a major contributing factor is asinine.

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  • Alabama had 103 recruits sign a letter of intent this years four year cycle,
    and add in the five 5th year seniors and that number goes up to 108.
    Compare that to ND's 86 and that is 22 more kids to pick and choose
    from. I undrstand there are going to be loses, but as you could read from
    up above that ND only lost 8 players total, and that number is high for
    them compared to normal. Having a coaching change in their cycle
    would attribute to a lot of them, but come on having 14 more than ND in
    the same cycle smells a little fishy to me. No wonder they are so deep.
    The numbers are right there for all to see, I guess it just matters what each
    individual preferes to see.

    Junes Daddy

  • FL Buckeye said...

    Saban is a great coach and a great recruiter. But to act as if signing an extra 20-30 players every 4 years isn't a major contributing factor is asinine.

    Saban signed 11 more players than Ohio St. over four years. Less than three recruits per season. Again envy is a b*tch.

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