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Junes Daddy said...
Alabama had 103 recruits sign a letter of intent this years four year cycle, and add in the five 5th year seniors and that number goes up to 108. Compare that to ND's 86 and that is 22 more kids to pick and choose from. I undrstand there are going to be loses, but as you could read from up above that ND only lost 8 players total, and that number is high for them compared to normal. Having a coaching change in their cycle would attribute to a lot of them, but come on having 14 more than ND in the same cycle smells a little fishy to me. No wonder they are so deep. The numbers are right there for all to see, I guess it just matters what each individual preferes to see.
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Junes Daddy said...
One thing that has not been mentioned in this over signing topic is that those 85 player limits also include 5th year seniors,which would actually inflate the over signing even more for these teams. One of the biggest problems I have with this whole issue is that each team doing this always ends up right at or around the 85 number even when other circumstances should knock that number down in certain years. (transfers, enter the NFL early, of medical hardships). Example would be Notre Dame this year, 86 scholorships in the four year cycle counting the five 5th year seniors, but they had three kids with medical hardships, one death, and 4 transfers. That left the roster at 78. Now they will try to make that difference up this cycle but looking at the numbers, they will still end up 2-3 short. Now that is recruiting strictly by the numbers, not jumping up to 103 during a four year cycle. I feel if you offer a kid a scholorship and he doesn't live up to your standards, then guess what, that's your problem. There should be no mulligans in this process. When you are constantly allowed 15 mulligans every cycle, you cannot tell me that is not a unfair advantage for that team. ND honors four year scholor- ships and does not force anyone out early, if they miss on a recruit that is their problem and they live with it. Just do a better job of evaluating these kids from the beginning. You don't think ND would have loved to have those extra 7 kids on the roster to fill some of the voids they had in the secondary or offensive line that was hit hard by injuries before this season started.
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theProcess said...
True, I don't get the slOw-hio state love propaganda. They have consistently proven nothing but that they can't win the big game. Choklahoma is the only team that can come close to rivaling slOw-hio state in suck-on-the-big-stage level of egg laying.
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brem22 said...
Yeah, I'm not trying to get Cocks or ATM fans panties wadded. You both have great teams. But neither of your teams have Bama's talent level right now. That's not to say you can't 'compete' with them or even beat them.
It's like during USC's run under Pete Carroll. Plenty of PAC teams had talent, and on any given Sat they could compete with them. But at the end of the day a team with a great coach and 30 5-star players trumps the team with 4 5-stars. At least 7 out of 10 times.
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Macdaddy7930 said...
Several of those were JUCO's that only had two years and also guys that left early for the draft. Transfers happen all the time. When you recruit elite kids, they want to play. If they aren't getting the necessary PT they believe they deserve, they move on. Case in point, Phillip Sims.
Until anyone can prove Saban is forcing kids out, then it's a stupid tin-foil argument. It's not happening because if it was, all these kids would be acknowledging it on social media.
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CoachGomez214591 said...
two things...number 1, that's why they play the game and number 2, Harbaugh had doggy doo doo when he knocked off USC as a 44 point underdog at the Coliseum.
Coaching matters more now because of more better players. I can't reiterate this anymore... You HAVE to have a great staff now, period.
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fightfan said...
What about Philon appearing to announce that he is signing with Alabama, but later in the day it is announced that he signed with Arkansas. He never even visited Arkansas. He was originally an Auburn verbal commitment that Saban flipped to Alabama, only to pull the rug out from under him several months later.
Could you imagine if Urban Meyer flipped Kyle Dodson from Wisconsin, only to screw him on national signing day and have Dodson sign with Iowa or Penn State? Bret Bielema would have called the police instead of Barry Alvarez.
Nick Saban tries to blame the new signing rules for taking away opportunites, but the bottom line is that he is the one taking away the opportunities. He took two of them away from kids that were committed to him this year. There was no rule that said he had to take those opporunities away. The rule is there to keep him from trying to give out opportunities he doesn't have to give or to keep him from giving opportunities at the expense of taking opportunities away from existing players.
Every school only gets so many opportunities to give out. When you attempt to give out more than you are allowed to give out and then have to take some of them away you can't cry wolf and say "we HAD to take away some opportunities." No, you didn't. You weren't supposed to give them out in the first place.
Saban of all the coaches in the SEC should know this. He spent 5 years in the B1G conference during a time in which oversigning was completely banned. He knows how to manage the numbers and managing them under the new SEC rules is much easlier than he had it for 5 years at Michigan State.
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Macdaddy7930 said...
He was offered a greyshirt and turned it down. Nothing illegal about it. It's not against the rules, so this argument is ridiculous and only showing the butthurt from the entire OSU fanbase. Everyone is still waiting on anyone's sources (facts outside of math on a spreadsheet) to indicate Saban has/is taking away opportunities by forcing kids out.
There is turnover at every school, so GTFO.
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Tempe03 said...
Just my opinion. Respect the job you ,just think those teams are over rated year in and year out over past 3-4 years. They have a lot of top tier talent that hasn't lived up to the ink yet either. (out of hs)
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theProcess said...
True, I don't get the slOw-hio state love propaganda. They have consistently proven nothing but that they can't win the big game. Choklahoma is the only team that can come close to rivaling slOw-hio state in suck-on-the-big-stage level of egg laying.
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Bom274 said...
Okay let me get this straight.
The SEC isnt really better because their success is the product of two coaches (and that "fact" nullifies any conference achievements)
Also, that the SEC is better. But only because of oversigning. Even though that the impact and actualities of that phenomenon have been wildly overstated.
I think we are all leaving one key component. ESPN bias. Can we all at least agree that ESPN is the reason the SEC wins so much?
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Bom274 said...
Okay let me get this straight.
The SEC isnt really better because their success is the product of two coaches (and that "fact" nullifies any conference achievements)
Also, that the SEC is better. But only because of oversigning. Even though that the impact and actualities of that phenomenon have been wildly overstated.
I think we are all leaving one key component. ESPN bias. Can we all at least agree that ESPN is the reason the SEC wins so much?
Oversigning is the main reason they are getting over. Location, coaches, asst salaries, tradition and facilities are others but we all know the number 1 reason. Unless of course, you have your head in the sand.
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brem22 said...
If you're going to beak about what I wrote at least read the whole post.. Or at least get a grasp of the context in which I wrote it. Which would be ITT.
JC intimated that there is not a big difference in talent gap between a team that averages top 15-20 in recruiting and a team that averages top 5-10. He was talking about A&M's recruiting vs FLA's. That they recruit on the "same high level". I said that was laughable.
Why I pointed out the obvious. I'm not banging on the Cocks dude. They just happened to be in the same discussion.
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