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The 40-time thing was a joke, dumbass. So many guys here strut around like cock-daddy-beau, posing as tough-guys, as if they're players themselves. As if they whipped Notre Dame personally. It's WE did this and WE did that. YOU did nothing but turn on the TV. That's the full extent of YOUR participation. Most of you've never played high school ball, much less Division 1. It's laughable, so I decided to ask for 40 times, just to check bona fides.
Couple of points. I've never accused the SEC of breaking NCAA rules or not being great at football. Oversigning is allowed by the NCAA. But it's not in the BigTen and that's a competitive disadvantage. What the practice does is force SEC coaches to kick other players off scholarship to make room. That's gotta hurt some of these kids, don't you think? That's why the BigTen has disallowed it for years and recently moved to a mandatory 4-year scholarship system for its member schools.
I think SEC foottball is excellent. There's no dounbt about it. But there are logical reasons for it, if you're able to follow a logical argument. There are more excellent players in the southeast these days -- due to population shift and climate mainly, which allows for Spring football and year-round play. No Spring ball in Ohio and no year-round play, obviously.
Urban Meyer was asked about this today and told the press that there are more great players down south. Not better players than in the midwest, just more of them. That's why he recruits the South in addition to the Midwest and the rest of the country. Urban has also said previously that in his experience the Midwest players, on average, are better coached and better prepared for college ball. In the South, many great athletes get mediocre coaching, so it takes more effort to coach them up once the arrive on campus. So y'all have more good players, but not necessarilly better players.
How about coaching? Your National Championship winning coaches -- the guys you SEC-heads evidently idolize for their high football IQs -- are Les Miles, Nick Saban and, at one time but no longer, Urban Meyer. Miles learned football growing up in Elyria, Ohio and playing at Michigan. Nick Saban grew up 'across the river' in West Virginia, but played at Kent State and first coached at Toledo. You know about Urban, I guess. If you look at their 'Coaching Trees' you'll see a ridiculous number of other well-known coaches who've worked under these three guys. So Ohio football philosophy and theory literally permeates the SEC. Hate me if you want to, but don't hate your Buckeye-bred coaches.
SEC football is the best in the NCAA. See, smoothie, I'm not attacking you. You don't need to get so hysterically defensive. But there are obviously logical reasons why the SEC enjoys such success. All I'm doing here is explaining why I believe y'all have done so well. That shouldn't threaten anybody's manhood, should it? Not accusing you of breaking rules, not denying your football is terrific. Just trying to remind the chest-pounders that they personally have nothing whatever to do with it. Not even you, Macdaddy.
This post was edited by jmsmooth33 on 1/11/2013 at 2:26 PM
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AAStagg said...
Do you think if you go all hysterical, you'll win an argument that only one of us is actually engaged in? I don't.
1. Urban Meyer has never had a heart attack.
2. He, and his team, would love to have a chance to play against Alabama in an NC game next year or the year after. It would be an honor that would excite a huge fanbase.
3. We don't say 'yous guys'. We're in Ohio, not New Jersey, y'all.
4. My 40 time is awful. I'm 64.
5. Unlike you, I'm okay with folks having opinions different than mine. They're allowed 'to say anything', whether you like it or not, and so am I. I'd rather argue with someone who got his facts straight and wasn't having a hyssie-fit at his keyboard, but you'll do.
6. Since you believe we're a bunch of losers [which is ridiculous, since none of us are actual, you know, Notre Dame players] then you must believe everyone who lives in Alabama is a winner, right? Is that your position? 'Cause if it is, I'd like you to start that thread. I have some thoughts.
Say hey to Coach Saban down at the Git 'N Go. He played college ball in Ohio. Learned the game and how to coach it there. The State of Ohio gave Nick his first head coaching job at the University of Toledo. He's welcome in the Buckeye state any time.
What's your 40 time, Viper? With a name like that you must be fast as lightning.
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AAStagg said...
The 40-time thing was a joke, dumbass. So many guys here strut around like cock-daddy-beau, posing as tough-guys, as if they're players themselves. As if they whipped Notre Dame personally. It's WE did this and WE did that. YOU did nothing but turn on the TV. That's the full extent of YOUR participation. Most of you've never played high school ball, much less Division 1. It's laughable, so I decided to ask for 40 times, just to check bona fides.
Couple of points. I've never accused the SEC of breaking NCAA rules or not being great at football. Oversigning is allowed by the NCAA. But it's not in the BigTen and that's a competitive disadvantage. What the practice does is force SEC coaches to kick other players off scholarship to make room. That's gotta hurt some of these kids, don't you think? That's why the BigTen has disallowed it for years and recently moved to a mandatory 4-year scholarship system for its member schools.
I think SEC foottball is excellent. There's no dounbt about it. But there are logical reasons for it, if you're able to follow a logical argument. There are more excellent players in the southeast these days -- due to population shift and climate mainly, which allows for Spring football and year-round play. No Spring ball in Ohio and no year-round play, obviously.
Urban Meyer was asked about this today and told the press that there are more great players down south. Not better players than in the midwest, just more of them. That's why he recruits the South in addition to the Midwest and the rest of the country. Urban has also said previously that in his experience the Midwest players, on average, are better coached and better prepared for college ball. In the South, many great athletes get mediocre coaching, so it takes more effort to coach them up once the arrive on campus. So y'all have more good players, but not necessarilly better players.
How about coaching? Your National Championship winning coaches -- the guys you SEC-heads evidently idolize for their high football IQs -- are Les Miles, Nick Saban and, at one time but no longer, Urban Meyer. Miles learned football growing up in Elyria, Ohio and playing at Michigan. Nick Saban grew up 'across the river' in West Virginia, but played at Kent State and first coached at Toledo. You know about Urban, I guess. If you look at their 'Coaching Trees' you'll see a ridiculous number of other well-known coaches who've worked under these three guys. So Ohio football philosophy and theory literally permeates the SEC. Hate me if you want to, but don't hate your Buckeye-bred coaches.
SEC football is the best in the NCAA. See, smoothie, I'm not attacking you. You don't need to get so hysterically defensive. But there are obviously logical reasons why the SEC enjoys such success. All I'm doing here is explaining why I believe y'all have done so well. That shouldn't threaten anybody's manhood, should it? Not accusing you of breaking rules, not denying your football is terrific. Just trying to remind the chest-pounders that they personally have nothing whatever to do with it. Not even you, Macdaddy.
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viper_36 said...
1. urban - call it what you want, he was "Processed by Saban" 2. i'm sure they would. hope "he" gets his dream come true 3. yea, you do, just like you think we all say "yawl and git er done" - i was making the same profile statements as you were and others 4. sorry bout that 5. nope, ok with discussions, but I guess i thought "grown ups" would keep the north/south thing really out of the "football discussion", but it seems folks on here seem to believe they are better than others just cause they are from a certain area of the country. Civil war is over, people need to do the same. 6. cute - i like that one. as a fan base, I believe you are well within your boundaries to say "we" - but point taken and I do agree - we don't have anything to do with the outcome except maybe paying for the coaching salaries, facilities, etc.. that might have something to do with the players.
see, there you go..... "git N go" - what is that? seriously? on Saban's "Ohioness" - I guess Bama owes all it's success to the state of Ohio because of a few years Saban coached there?. Nevermind, he's perfected his "process" at LSU/Alabama...hmm, has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with it.
40 time - better than you I guess, i'm 39 and still run pretty well
viper - Top Gun (was/used to be all time fav movie when i created my initial online usernames many moons ago 36 - college uni number (not my age)
btw, talked to Saban, told him you said hello.
'We are attacking that like animals right now.'
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Crimson_Ghost said...
using the urban legand oversigning formula... 09=25 10=19 11=24 12=25 13=21 (if you're done ?)
so by the urban O/S legand formula if NONE of the 09ers return in 2013 ?you're(89) "over" the 85. how many redshirted that year ? if lets say ten redshirted then you're over by 14. you guys are cheating.
see how ridiculous that sounds ?
NSD L.O.I's do not = signed scholarship #'s.
We have a huge enima of kids leaving. Thats awesome. Ohio State has a coach that won in the Special Education Conference (sec minus florida and vandy, the rest of the schools are acedemic centers for kids like Corky Fatcher from life goes on) while taking less kids than LSU(chokes outside of comfy zone) and Alabama (forrest Gump got through admissions)
copied text from the oversigning cupOn national signing day, Darius Philon thought he was going to be signing with Alabama. He even brought his Alabama hat with him to his signing ceremony. That was until Alabama landed Korren Kirvan from Virginia. The addition of Kirvan, a higher rated prospect, meant that Alabama no longer had room under the 25 per signing year limit, and instead of being able to sign him now and then cut someone existing from the roster during the spring or summer, Nick Saban had to break the news to the kid on national signing day that there wasn't room for him in this class. Philon could join next year, but there was not room for him now.
Nick Saban tries to blame the new signing rules for taking away opportunites, but the bottom line is that he is the one taking away the opportunities. He took two of them away from kids that were committed to him this year. There was no rule that said he had to take those opporunities away. The rule is there to keep him from trying to give out opportunities he doesn't have to give or to keep him from giving opportunities at the expense of taking opportunities away from existing players.Every school only gets so many opportunities to give out. When you attempt to give out more than you are allowed to give out and then have to take some of them away you can't cry wolf and say "we HAD to take away some opportunities." No, you didn't. You weren't supposed to give them out in the first place.
Saban of all the coaches in the SEC should know this. He spent 5 years in the B1G conference during a time in which oversigning was completely banned. He knows how to manage the numbers and managing them under the new SEC rules is much easlier than he had it for 5 years at Michigan State.
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We have a huge enima of kids leaving. Thats awesome. Ohio State has a coach that won in the Special Education Conference (sec minus florida and vandy, the rest of the schools are acedemic centers for kids like Corky Fatcher from life goes on) while taking less kids than LSU(chokes outside of comfy zone) and Alabama (forrest Gump got through admissions)
copied text from the oversigning cup
On national signing day, Darius Philon thought he was going to be signing with Alabama. He even brought his Alabama hat with him to his signing ceremony. That was until Alabama landed Korren Kirvan from Virginia. The addition of Kirvan, a higher rated prospect, meant that Alabama no longer had room under the 25 per signing year limit, and instead of being able to sign him now and then cut someone existing from the roster during the spring or summer, Nick Saban had to break the news to the kid on national signing day that there wasn't room for him in this class. Philon could join next year, but there was not room for him now. Nick Saban tries to blame the new signing rules for taking away opportunites, but the bottom line is that he is the one taking away the opportunities. He took two of them away from kids that were committed to him this year. There was no rule that said he had to take those opporunities away. The rule is there to keep him from trying to give out opportunities he doesn't have to give or to keep him from giving opportunities at the expense of taking opportunities away from existing players.
Every school only gets so many opportunities to give out. When you attempt to give out more than you are allowed to give out and then have to take some of them away you can't cry wolf and say "we HAD to take away some opportunities." No, you didn't. You weren't supposed to give them out in the first place.
Saban of all the coaches in the SEC should know this. He spent 5 years in the B1G conference during a time in which oversigning was completely banned. He knows how to manage the numbers and managing them under the new SEC rules is much easlier than he had it for 5 years at Michigan State.
none of the above jibberish in which you replied answered my original question/point.
but please keep trying
Crimson_Ghost originally said...
using the urban legand oversigning formula... 09=25 10=19 11=24 12=25 13=21 (if you're done ?)so by the urban O/S legand formula if NONE of the 09ers return in 2013 ?you're(89) "over" the 85. how many redshirted that year ? if lets say ten redshirted then you're over by 14. you guys are cheating.
see how ridiculous that sounds ?
NSD L.O.I's do not = signed scholarship #'s.This post was edited by Crimson_Ghost on 1/12/2013 at 6:35 AM
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We have a huge enima of kids leaving. Thats awesome. Ohio State has a coach that won in the Special Education Conference (sec minus florida and vandy, the rest of the schools are acedemic centers for kids like Corky Fatcher from life goes on) while taking less kids than LSU(chokes outside of comfy zone) and Alabama (forrest Gump got through admissions)
copied text from the oversigning cupOn national signing day, Darius Philon thought he was going to be signing with Alabama. He even brought his Alabama hat with him to his signing ceremony. That was until Alabama landed Korren Kirvan from Virginia. The addition of Kirvan, a higher rated prospect, meant that Alabama no longer had room under the 25 per signing year limit, and instead of being able to sign him now and then cut someone existing from the roster during the spring or summer, Nick Saban had to break the news to the kid on national signing day that there wasn't room for him in this class. Philon could join next year, but there was not room for him now.
Nick Saban tries to blame the new signing rules for taking away opportunites, but the bottom line is that he is the one taking away the opportunities. He took two of them away from kids that were committed to him this year. There was no rule that said he had to take those opporunities away. The rule is there to keep him from trying to give out opportunities he doesn't have to give or to keep him from giving opportunities at the expense of taking opportunities away from existing players.Every school only gets so many opportunities to give out. When you attempt to give out more than you are allowed to give out and then have to take some of them away you can't cry wolf and say "we HAD to take away some opportunities." No, you didn't. You weren't supposed to give them out in the first place.
Saban of all the coaches in the SEC should know this. He spent 5 years in the B1G conference during a time in which oversigning was completely banned. He knows how to manage the numbers and managing them under the new SEC rules is much easlier than he had it for 5 years at Michigan State.
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none of the above jibberish in which you replied answered my original question/point. but please keep trying
Crimson_Ghost originally said... using the urban legand oversigning formula... 09=25 10=19 11=24 12=25 13=21 (if you're done ?)
so by the urban O/S legand formula if NONE of the 09ers return in 2013 ?you're(89) "over" the 85. how many redshirted that year ? if lets say ten redshirted then you're over by 14. you guys are cheating.
see how ridiculous that sounds ? NSD L.O.I's do not = signed scholarship #'s.
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fightfan said...
Some saw the 2012 rendition of Notre Dame football in the same light as the 2002 Buckeyes, who took on Goliath and emerged with David in the winner’s circle. Like Ohio State of 2002, this year’s Notre Dame team won with defense, prevailed in games they should have lost, had lots of close wins and somehow came in undefeated to face a prohibitive favorite that had won the national championship the previous year and was graced with a bevy of high-round NFL draft choices.
But what was unlike the Ohio State-Miami comparison?
Well, Miami had dominated every team they had played for two years. Alabama lost two games in that span and barely squeaked by two conference foes last season, as well as backing into the 2012 national championship exhibition game (oh, yeah, you don’t think so, man? What if Kansas State or Oregon hadn’t inexplicably lost a game at the end of the year? Alabama would have been rated about fourth…). And while we had comparatively close games in 2002 against comparatively dog-crap teams the same as Notre Dame did (last-second wins against Cincinnati, Purdue and Illinois for our beloved Buckeyes), does Notre Dame have a Maurice Clarett or a Michael Jenkins or a Chris Gamble or a Nuge?
I will grant you that both “new coaches,” Jim Tressel and Brian Kelly, got the most out of their teams and out of their karma and Notre Dame started the year looking like they had one of the great daunting schedules in history. Then we found out many of those teams were seriously overrated. Ironically, the Irish’s signature wins WERE against good teams (Oklahoma and Stanford) but their not-so-signature wins (upon reflection) were:
1) Purdue 2) Michigan State 3) Brigham Young
And what about Alabama while we are talking post-hoc analysis:
1) Ole Miss was supposed to be an early tester game. The old Miss went 6-6 this season.
2) Arkansas (4-8) and Auburn (3-9) had historically bad seasons.
3) Alabama played four games against good teams: Michigan (8-5!), who Ohio State also beat; LSU (Bama won in a desperate comeback – 21-17 – courtesy of Les Miles screwing up); Georgia (should have lost with equally bad game management; Bama only won because time ran out); and Texas A&M – which they did lose? Invincible? Not!
4) They also romped over such worthies as Western Kentucky (7-5), Florida Atlantic (3-9) and D-II Western Carolina (1-10) in Week 10 when other national powers were playing their toughest foes.
A killer’s row? Not!
What’s my point(s) here? Alabama was one of the best teams in a year of college football parity. And they sure were a lot better than Notre Dame (a team that has never won a BCS game and lost the four it’s been in by a 152-57 cumulative score); whose insufficiencies showed up by the bundle in their MNC exhibition game. I don’t know if Ohio State could beat Bama – yet – but I am of the minority opinion that if Geno hadn’t wangled this suspension year for us, we would have faced and beaten Notre Dame in the title game. And, as we are now, Ohio State would be the only undefeated team in the 2012 season
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Beemerx5 said...
Agree but eventually it will be Ohio State vs Aggies. Especially with the newly SEC Aggies already having 50% more recruits than the next highest school, less than one month from national signing day. Very nice acclimation into the SEC, didn't take long to learn how to oversign...
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